Post your random thoughts/feelings etc
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Srijita52
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That thing when people ask how are you and you either say you're okay or you're anxious/sad and when you ask them back they say they're happy, that they had a good weekend, doing pretty good with their friends/girlfriend and you're left wondering why aren't you ever happy, you're alright but not happy. Maybe its because to be happy you need fulfilling relationships with people even if with a few ones, to be happy you need an average amount of control over your life, you need to feel appreciated atleast to you friends and friends, you need friends. I'm a loner but I'm not a hermit, I want people in my life, I want to fit in somewhere, have fun. I want to say I'm happy when people ask me how I'm doing.
Flanscho
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Yesterday, after some board game evening with friends, we had a discussion about feminism and sexism.
The interesting two points in my opinion where these.
a) does feminism encompass striving for equal rights for all genders, or just for women?
and b) if a man gets bullied for wearing a skirt, is that sexism towards men (because he can't wear a skirt because he is a man), or is it sexism towards women (because he gets bullied for doing someting associated with women, and because he seemingly puts himself on a lower level by doing that, which assumes that women are on a lower level which is sexist).
My opinions were:
a) feminism can be part of striving for equal genders, but does not encompass it and is not the same
b) it's sexism vs women that results in this case in sexism vs men
The interesting two points in my opinion where these.
a) does feminism encompass striving for equal rights for all genders, or just for women?
and b) if a man gets bullied for wearing a skirt, is that sexism towards men (because he can't wear a skirt because he is a man), or is it sexism towards women (because he gets bullied for doing someting associated with women, and because he seemingly puts himself on a lower level by doing that, which assumes that women are on a lower level which is sexist).
My opinions were:
a) feminism can be part of striving for equal genders, but does not encompass it and is not the same
b) it's sexism vs women that results in this case in sexism vs men
Ithior
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I agree with you on A, but I think B is simply sexism vs men, it doesn't start in sexism vs women.
I think feminism fails on the equality thing right at the name. It suggests women are the ones bringing the equality, thus being morally superior.
On the other hand, the movement itself is about women getting rights men already had. That leaves out the ones women have that men don't. I am aware some feminists agree the movement should fight for these cases as well, but I think that's a minority, the rest doesn't really care about it.
dottie
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you're taking a heavy inventory of everything that's wrong during a quick "how are you?" their lives probably aren't ideal, either.
Srijita52
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Yes I'm sure but they do have friends they see on a regular basis and are more or less averagely satisfied with their lives. No one has it all, they got problems, anxieties and sadness too but it doesn't dominate their lives.
Odo
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Feminists tend to be upset with the patriarchy, which is a series of social conventions that cast men as the breadwinners and women as the child-rearing homebodies, etc. There were multiple 'waves'... but I think most recently it has become about defining and demanding an egalitarian society in relation to gender roles.
But I would say that one of the biggest failings of feminism is that it is far too preoccupied with casting women as victims of men instead of everyone as victims of the 'patriarchy', which in itself is a difficult term because it implies that men are by nature of their being men responsible for the power imbalance, instead of it being a tool of the establishment that, like racism and nationalism, divides the exploited masses in order to control them better.
The boy in the dress thing isn't sexism so much as discrimination based on preconceived gender roles, which also are part of the patriarchy. It's one of society's unfair expectations regarding gender roles.
Sometimes this gets taken too far and the movement attracts bitter women who want to blame men for all of their problems. These are the types who overreach and draw all kinds of backwards conclusions and pretty much undermine what could have been a great movement.
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Graeme1988
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Opaline
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Re: feminism, not directly related but made me think of this:
recently one of my professors was talking to us about how some people believe gender is completely - I mean 100% - a construct of society. Sex organs obviously are not, but gender is. Besides our sex organs, we are the same exact creatures, there is no male and female; we only start behaving like a "male" or "female" because of society. He literally said that a woman is simply a man who can have a baby, or a man is simply a woman who cannot.
I've heard that argument before, but the way he was talking about it made it seem like he fell into that camp, or at least found it credible. Personally I think it sounds ridiculous. I think there is some merit to it because some things (like wearing a dress or driving a truck) are perceived as being more feminine or masculine due to society, but I find it highly unlikely that every single "feminine" or "masculine" thing is purely constructed. Some of it is innate, I'm sure. I just can't think of any good examples right now
h: But I remember sitting in class thinking of some...
What about testosterone and estrogen, though? Doesn't that account for some of the behavior? And those are obviously purely biological.
recently one of my professors was talking to us about how some people believe gender is completely - I mean 100% - a construct of society. Sex organs obviously are not, but gender is. Besides our sex organs, we are the same exact creatures, there is no male and female; we only start behaving like a "male" or "female" because of society. He literally said that a woman is simply a man who can have a baby, or a man is simply a woman who cannot.
I've heard that argument before, but the way he was talking about it made it seem like he fell into that camp, or at least found it credible. Personally I think it sounds ridiculous. I think there is some merit to it because some things (like wearing a dress or driving a truck) are perceived as being more feminine or masculine due to society, but I find it highly unlikely that every single "feminine" or "masculine" thing is purely constructed. Some of it is innate, I'm sure. I just can't think of any good examples right now
h: But I remember sitting in class thinking of some... What about testosterone and estrogen, though? Doesn't that account for some of the behavior? And those are obviously purely biological.
Yeah. I'm hoping he wasn't teaching a science class.
Odo
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There are a lot of people out there and they all have different physiologies. I don't think you could say that all women are naturally more traditionally feminine than all men, for example.
The problem with gender is that it casts everything in black and white and ignores the variety... to the extent that if you're a feminine male you end up being seen as a lesser man, and vice versa.
To a very large extent these traditional roles create a sort of optimum state of 'woman' or 'man' that demand conformity and actually do become a kind of oppression.
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How about boxing?
dottie
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GraybeardGhost
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I beat on the door 'til my knuckles bleed, but no one hears. I open my mouth to scream, but I have no voice. I'm tired—so very tired. When will it end?
So ........... I reckon you don't like that either? How about golf? It seems more calm and/or boring.
MollyBeGood
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working 70 hr weeks it's ridiculous..this better pay off man!!!!!