I've calculated by what male/female household inhabitants ratio leaving the seat up becomes acceptable.
Let's safely assume all members of a household urinate twice a day and defecate once a day. For calculation reasons let's also assume that the toilet is cleaned properly and well maintained. Sit is motive for leaving the seat down, stand is motive for leaving it up.
♀ = I = 2x = sit
♀ = II = 1x = sit
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♀ = --Sit: 3
♀ = stand: 0
♂ = I = 2x = stand
♂ = II = 1x = sit
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♂ = --Sit: 1
♂ = stand: 2
1x♂ + 1x♀ = 4 sit/2 stand [♂ 50% / ♀ 50%]
2x♂ + 1x♀ = 5 sit/4 stand [♂ 66,66% / ♀ 33,33%]
3x♂ + 1x♀ = 6 sit/6 stand [♂ 75% / ♀ 25%]
Mathematically it's most fair (for all household members) to put the seat down, unless the the amount of males in the household is equal to or greater than 75%.
I strongly disagree. One thing your math doesn't take in consideration is who is doing the action of putting the seat down. In fact, if we decide to put the seat down everytime, who is doing the action? 100% of the time, it's the man. How is that fair in any possible way?
In truth, if you consider the chance that the next user will either need the seat to be up or down, in a one man one woman household, the man should leave the seat down, and the woman should leave the seat up.
This is the math (not mine):
Let's assume that two people, a man and a woman, are living together.
Assume that men need to sit 33% of the time (I would say this is a high estimate, but I'll go with your numbers), and women need to sit 100% of the time.
Further assume that the likelihood of one party using the toilet twice in a row is 25% (that is, there's a 75% chance that the next person to use the toilet after the man is the woman, and vice versa.
Scenario 1: The woman uses the toilet. There is a 75% chance that the man will use the toilet next, and a (0.67 * 0.75) chance that the man will use the toilet and want the seat in the "up" position. This is 50.25%. If we use my estimate, which is that there's a 25% chance the man will need to sit, the number becomes 56.25%.
Scenario 2: The man uses the toilet. There is only a 25% he will use it again next, for a (0.67 * 0.25) = 16.75% chance that leaving it "up" will be appropriate for the next person using the toilet. -- 18.75% assuming 25% sitting.
Conclusions:
In a one woman, one man household:
-Women should leave the toilet with the seat "up". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 56.25% of the time.
-Men should leave the toilet with the seat "down". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 81.25% of the time.
I strongly disagree. One thing your math doesn't take in consideration is who is doing the action of putting the seat down. In fact, if we decide to put the seat down everytime, who is doing the action? 100% of the time, it's the man. How is that fair in any possible way?
In truth, if you consider the chance that the next user will either need the seat to be up or down, in a one man one woman household, the man should leave the seat down, and the woman should leave the seat up.
This is the math (not mine):
Let's assume that two people, a man and a woman, are living together.
Assume that men need to sit 33% of the time (I would say this is a high estimate, but I'll go with your numbers), and women need to sit 100% of the time.
Further assume that the likelihood of one party using the toilet twice in a row is 25% (that is, there's a 75% chance that the next person to use the toilet after the man is the woman, and vice versa.
Scenario 1: The woman uses the toilet. There is a 75% chance that the man will use the toilet next, and a (0.67 * 0.75) chance that the man will use the toilet and want the seat in the "up" position. This is 50.25%. If we use my estimate, which is that there's a 25% chance the man will need to sit, the number becomes 56.25%.
Scenario 2: The man uses the toilet. There is only a 25% he will use it again next, for a (0.67 * 0.25) = 16.75% chance that leaving it "up" will be appropriate for the next person using the toilet. -- 18.75% assuming 25% sitting.
Conclusions:
In a one woman, one man household:
-Women should leave the toilet with the seat "up". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 56.25% of the time.
-Men should leave the toilet with the seat "down". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 81.25% of the time.
Well yes, for a two person mixed gender household it would be common courtesy to ready it for the other person (even without the math, really). But I'm assuming in the premise of a 3+ people household, where the next user, and therefore its gender, are more obscure. Where more structure is required.
It's also not that unfair for (a) guy(s) to be the only ones to handle the toilet seat because while it's very common to urinate standing up, it's not an absolute necessity. It's more of a extremely caught-on convenience. We could sit down, but we choose the convenient way instead.
I think flipping the seat up and down in trade for that convenience is fair (if down is the most likely to be used seat position according to the math).
But we might be putting a bit too much thought into it. :😛:
Of course, all of this is assuming that all males are unable to aim well enough whilst standing to leave the seat down in the first place... I know there are males who can and do aim well enough to always leave the seat down... 😉
Of course, all of this is assuming that all males are unable to aim well enough whilst standing to leave the seat down in the first place... I know there are males who can and do aim well enough to always leave the seat down... 😉
I envy those guys. ;D If I don't put the seat up I might end up killing someone.
I strongly disagree. One thing your math doesn't take in consideration is who is doing the action of putting the seat down. In fact, if we decide to put the seat down everytime, who is doing the action? 100% of the time, it's the man. How is that fair in any possible way?
In truth, if you consider the chance that the next user will either need the seat to be up or down, in a one man one woman household, the man should leave the seat down, and the woman should leave the seat up.
This is the math (not mine):
Let's assume that two people, a man and a woman, are living together.
Assume that men need to sit 33% of the time (I would say this is a high estimate, but I'll go with your numbers), and women need to sit 100% of the time.
Further assume that the likelihood of one party using the toilet twice in a row is 25% (that is, there's a 75% chance that the next person to use the toilet after the man is the woman, and vice versa.
Scenario 1: The woman uses the toilet. There is a 75% chance that the man will use the toilet next, and a (0.67 * 0.75) chance that the man will use the toilet and want the seat in the "up" position. This is 50.25%. If we use my estimate, which is that there's a 25% chance the man will need to sit, the number becomes 56.25%.
Scenario 2: The man uses the toilet. There is only a 25% he will use it again next, for a (0.67 * 0.25) = 16.75% chance that leaving it "up" will be appropriate for the next person using the toilet. -- 18.75% assuming 25% sitting.
Conclusions:
In a one woman, one man household:
-Women should leave the toilet with the seat "up". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 56.25% of the time.
-Men should leave the toilet with the seat "down". This will be convenient for the next toilet-user 81.25% of the time.
There are two parts of a toilet seat, the lid and the seat itself (Unless your seat is broken and barely on the toilet like ours is) Why not be fair and close both lid and seat. No matter what, everyone must lift the seat and put it back down?
Oh my Jesus Christmas on a stick, why did I sleep so late??? 😮 It was hot in my room, I'm thinking that may have had something to do with it...
Also, a good chunk of my dreams consisted of interacting with someone who I was supposed to be dating. I don't usually spend much time longing for a relationship, but after a dream like that it's hard not to feel a little sad. It felt so real :'( haha
Oh my Jesus Christmas on a stick, why did I sleep so late??? 😮 It was hot in my room, I'm thinking that may have had something to do with it...
Also, a good chunk of my dreams consisted of interacting with someone who I was supposed to be dating. I don't usually spend much time longing for a relationship, but after a dream like that it's hard not to feel a little sad. It felt so real :'( haha
Those are the worse dreams because they feel so awesome and you don't want to ever wake up :kickingmyself:
Those are the worse dreams because they feel so awesome and you don't want to ever wake up :kickingmyself:
What I hate is when you have dreams like this and then in the middle of the dream you relise your dreaming but you still don;t wake up,and when you do wake up your totaly depressed even more :oh:
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