I dislike pornography...

pufferfish

Active member
just so you know; i think i speak for a lot of women when i say that an assertive partner is better than a passive partner who waits around for you (the woman) to initiate contact.

are you saying that it is violent and aggressive for a man to initiate sex/affection with his girlfriend or with a girl who he is interested in... that he is then a pervert. so you then expect the woman to initiate the action? does this then make her an aggressive, violent pervert? quite the double standard you have going.
 

pufferfish

Active member
Re: sexual agression

i am just curious; do you know every woman in the world? more than that, ARE you a woman? because you are painting women with a very broad brush.

women want to feel desired. they want to feel wanted, needed, loved. if a male sits there, twiddling his thumbs, ashamed or scared to make a move on her, kiss her, hold her hand, or even initiate sex with her... it gives her the message that she isn't wanted or desired by her partner. a man who shows his affection openly to his mate is demonstrating that he actually feels desire for her, rather than sit there and claim he is "respecting" her, when really it is a mask to be fearful.

not all women are what you think they are.
 

no1

Banned
Re: sexual agression

i am just curious; do you know every woman in the world? more than that, ARE you a woman? because you are painting women with a very broad brush.

women want to feel desired. they want to feel wanted, needed, loved. if a male sits there, twiddling his thumbs, ashamed or scared to make a move on her, kiss her, hold her hand, or even initiate sex with her... it gives her the message that she isn't wanted or desired by her partner. a man who shows his affection openly to his mate is demonstrating that he actually feels desire for her, rather than sit there and claim he is "respecting" her, when really it is a mask to be fearful.

not all women are what you think they are.
With a girlfriend it's fine. But if she's not your girlfriend there at least has to be some signals that have to be interpreted as her being ok with such a thing.

You want me to just kiss a woman without knowing if she wants it, then she'll push me off and yell "GET THE HELL OFF ME! I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!"
 
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no1

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just so you know; i think i speak for a lot of women when i say that an assertive partner is better than a passive partner who waits around for you (the woman) to initiate contact.

are you saying that it is violent and aggressive for a man to initiate sex/affection with his girlfriend or with a girl who he is interested in... that he is then a pervert. so you then expect the woman to initiate the action? does this then make her an aggressive, violent pervert? quite the double standard you have going.

With a girlfriend it's fine. But if she's not your girlfriend there at least has to be some signals that have to be interpreted as her being ok with such a thing.

You want me to just kiss a woman without knowing if she wants it, then she'll push me off and yell "GET THE HELL OFF ME! I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!"
 

Danfalc

Banned
No1 I just want to point out you have had so many warnings about making multiple threads like these,I think you even had your final red card warning recently.
 

2Crowded

Well-known member
why do i feel like everyone's picking on No1

i agree multiple threads on same subject isent good idea...but they guy is just stating his feelings here & others are offering there's...really no different then "the Bible thread"
 

Satine

Well-known member
It's not laughable. If you think it is, it's because you are sick, just like the majority of society who buy into this wanton lust, and savage behavior.

*sigh*

Careful, no. 1, you're getting back into hate-speech. This isn't helping anyone.

Whether you like it or not, not everybody who watches extreme footage copies the behaviour. And that's that. If you can actually prove otherwise, then do so. If not... please reconsider the way you're looking at your fellow people.
 

Satine

Well-known member
Re: sexual agression

It's very confusing, when girls reject you because you are 'too nice'. And you see jerks and aholes beating their woman senseless, and the women come running back to them.

Do we really need another George Sodini? I am not condoning his actions, but something has to be done about this. It should be a wake up call. It is confusing men and making us very frustrated. I think it is a huge issue that needs to be adressed.

Why women prefer aholes over Perfectly Good Men. Perhaps because they don't even know an ahole when they see one, and the same for perfectly good men.

Can you therefore please explain what happened when I got chatting to my current partner, we were both chilled and friendly and, at some point, we got into a conversation about *liking* eachother?

He wasn't an arsehole at any time over that. I wasn't acting easy. I, a woman, got together with a nice guy. Presumably this can't be what happened at all, because you keep stating such a thing is impossible.

Please can you clarify for me what actually happened? Because if we didn't amicably begin a relationship, I've been paying half the rent and contributing half the bills of some guy for some reason I'm not aware of.
 

Pookah

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Re: sexual agression

OH...MY....GOD. Not all women like assholes. Some simply expect a degree of masculinity which, as a male, is not too much to ask for as you might reasonably expect a female to be somewhat feminine. Please realize that at least part of this has to do with the kind of women YOU are going after which are probably not always the "nice girls" now are they?
 
I loathe pornography to the highest degree, since more often than not it severely degrades women. Its addictiveness has also been compared to that of crack cocaine.

I recently read about a study, (which I'll have to try to find again and post it here, sorry) in which they analyzed men's brains as the male subjects looked at provocative pictures of women in bikinis, versus when they looked at pictures of tools (e.g., a power drill) or pictures that are meant to evoke compassion. What they found was that these images of women in bikinis lit up the same part of the men's brains that also light up when men view images of tools. Then they would show images that are meant to evoke compassion, like maybe someone helping somebody, and a different part of the brain lit up. But when they would show the provocative pictures, that part of the brain would not light up at all. They came to the conclusion based on their research that when men view pornography, they are basically viewing the women only as tools for sex, which was also shown to spill over into the workplace where access to porn exists.

But I am not going to blame only men for this, but instead society as a whole. A vast majority of boys are taught from a young age to see women as sex objects (a recent study I read said that 1 in 3 boys are exposed to or addicted to porn at a very young age). And women are taught from a young age that they are nothing unless they are sexually attractive to their male counterparts. So, unfortunately, it's a societal issue that won't be solved until women start respecting themselves enough to stop prostituting themselves in porn and until boys are taught not to see women as sex objects.

Also, I don't solely blame porn for the sexual violence committed against women and children (although it seems to play a part in many cases). Even in countries where porn is banned and women are fully clothed sexual violence exists. A few years ago in Iran for instance, Nazanin Fatehi and her neice were attacked in a park by two men who tried to rape them. And then Nazanin was put on trial and sentenced to death for stabbing one of the men in self defense. (She would later be released thanks largely to international pressure). The point is, sexual violence against and distorted views of women is a societal problem (which porn is a part of) that must be addressed from the bottom up (i.e. from birth).

But no matter how much you try to convince people how bad porn really is for an otherwise ethical society, most people will generally look at you like you're an idiot or something. And I kind of think people in general think that those of us who are against porn are all against it for religious reasons, but surprise, I'm an atheist ;)

We like to consider ourselves 'above the animals' because of our 'ability' to discern from right and wrong and use reason, but yet so many people don't prove this to be true.

And for those who have been mislead to believing that most if not all women have rape fantasies, this is highly far from the truth. Not one single girl I know would ever wish this on themselves. And not all of us like mean and aggressive men.



I dislike the effect pornography has on human beings.

In pornography, fantasies are played out where otherwise in the real world it should be illegal. But as a child who grows up exposed to this kind of stuff at a very early age, might want to emulate these behaviors, and carry it out into the adult world. From then on, sexuality is seen as a wanton, and violently lustful thing.

Even on TV, sexuality is portrayed wantonly. As children, we watch TV, and "adult" content (as if that is what adult content is really even supposed to be like). I believe being exposed to sexuality pre-puberty can mess a person's life up once you do hit puberty.

Who knows what happens in middle school and elementary. Guys touching girls, without consent. And it "just happens" without any control. Because it "feels good" and we have urges that we can't even control.

I remember, because I was exposed to pornography, and sexual abuse (as a result of the abuser being influenced by pornography) at such a young age.. in middle school, I could not control myself, and was severely uncomfortable with sexuality,or it was non existent until it took control of me. Not that I was like one of the kids who would touch others to 'see how it feels', or whatever. I was a bit different, more into my own self, rather than chasing girls. but I wonder if maybe I was supposed to, like all the other kids who were acting out their lustful desires because they saw it in pornography and wanted to 'try it out'. But instead I was introduced to it by a male, though I quickly learned it wasn't supposed to be like that, and stopped it right away. But as a child I questioned sexuality because of what I went through, the wantonness. the abuse wasn't that bad, but the fact that my mother took it so seriously, and took my to psychologists and made me question my mental state, and have doubts about myself... It could have affected me, and made me withdrawn from Love and sexuality. Because of all the wanton lustfulness going on, everywhere I went, I was uncomfortable with sexuality.

Now about the porn thing: Rape, and Sex Crimes are "ok" in pornography. You see guys being wanton with women, touching them without consent, using sexual bribery, "tricking" girls into sex, and the girls are 'dumb enough" to accept, and be ok with it. Anything goes.

So when that behavior comes into reality... I feel like women might expect you to be wild, like what is shown in pornography. I'm not like that, I am a modest person. I can't just start touching a woman without first her consent. but in porn, many of the movies show, that's how it starts. If people expect me to act like they do in porn to have sex... then I don't think I'll ever find love. But porn is so accepted in this society, that it's even used to titillate the minds of couples. Why can't there be real erotica, showing two people who loved each other. Why does it have to be wanton, and crazy.

The sad thing is, people actually believe pornography is closer to the reality of love than anything else. but what if that's not true, and it's only the reality because of pornography, and people who from a sick mind, act out pornographic behaviors, even since the beginning of mankind, before pornography. not everyone was as violently lustful as this.

Not that we can't be like animals, but even animals have their own rituals. Each species has it's own ritual. And you can't compare too much humans with other animals.
 

Noca

Banned
I dislike porn cause I've lost all my sex drive. Apparently narcotics lower your testosterone, I just need my blood check and to have a syringe of testosterone injected into me and ill be back to normal :)
 

Rodox

Well-known member
Re: sexual agression

It's very confusing, when girls reject you because you are 'too nice'. And you see jerks and aholes beating their woman senseless, and the women come running back to them.
Why women prefer aholes over Perfectly Good Men. Perhaps because they don't even know an ahole when they see one, and the same for perfectly good men.

No one can be nice all the time or an asshole all the time,not me,not you,not anyone,there is no "Perfectly Good Men" and as long as you are not watching some sick shit,porno is fine.
 

no1

Banned
Re: sexual agression

OH...MY....GOD. Not all women like assholes. Some simply expect a degree of masculinity which, as a male, is not too much to ask for as you might reasonably expect a female to be somewhat feminine. Please realize that at least part of this has to do with the kind of women YOU are going after which are probably not always the "nice girls" now are they?

why must you bundle together masculinity with 'violence' or 'agression'

'its just that, women like masculinity'. agression and violence has nothing to do with sexuallity or gender, people only believe so, so it exists for them. agression and violence exists by its own merit. people can get violent or be agressive, or 'cold' , whatever you want to call it, for whatever reason they do.

it seems like youre implying that your idea of masculinity is a certain degree of "arshole behavior/tendencies", agression and violence (btw violence is not just killing look at the root word, violation). Like your saying "its just some women expect a certain degree of "a-shole behavior/tendencies", agression and violence (even if it's a little) because thats what masculinity is".

Maybe you don't even mean to imply that, but it seems that since a majority of people DO associate masculinity with arshole behavior/tendencies, violence and/or agression, that that's what people come to expect of 'masculinity'. Ie even though u dont outright say that, you fail to adress this implication. You say "women simply expect masculinity" but u forget to mention that people may also view masculinity as having arsehole behavior/tendencies, being agressive, and violent. You say that right after u just said "women don't like arseholes".

say "arsehole behavior/tendencies, agression and violence" ten times fast.
 
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no1

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What do you consider indecent thoughts? Private thoughts, eh? As opposed to public thoughts? ;) One doesn't have to like porn but you seem to have an aversion to anything sexual. It's human nature to want to have sexual intercourse with an individual whom one finds sexually appealing. It's how we continue our species.



DUDE, what kind of movies have you been watching!? I've never seen porn that depicts any of the things that you described. Those sort of movies are illegal and are called "Snuff" films!



I have to say that many people watch porn and are misguided as to what sex is about. We certainly should not use porn as a means of sexual education.




Only because YOU consider these things pornographic doesn't make them pornographic. Has it occured to you that you're the one thinking this stuff up?

actually there are tons of legal porn out there that have questionable behvior depicted in them.

in fact... its prbably to cater to those with deviant minds. now how can you explain that? There's also prbably a number of 'normal' people who think such fantasizing is ok, because they think it's 'hot'. Maybe you're not watching the right fiilms to find this.. but look around if you will.
 
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