recluse
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I agree! I enjoy watching gory horror films but it does not mean i'm going to go out and chop a person up with an axe! Unfortunately there are some people who are influenced by these things though.
I dislike pornography...
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I agree! I enjoy watching gory horror films but it does not mean i'm going to go out and chop a person up with an axe! Unfortunately there are some people who are influenced by these things though.
Its all bullcrap
pufferfish
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porn that involves the idea of "rape" or "violent sex" often caters to women. the reason for this isn't because people are twisted or corrupt in their sexual appetites, but it's because of, for the majority of women, the fantasy of being dominated/raped isn't uncommon. now obviously, no woman actually wants to be raped; the reason for the fantasy is exactly that, fantasy. in a woman's own sexual fantasy realm, she is the one in control of the action. she is thinking of being dominated and forced, but she is, bottom line, in control of the entire situation because she is fantasizing it, in her own room, her own head, and her own actions. porn that involves rape scenes plays this out in a visual way for a woman to imagine (key word; imagine) she is in a situation like this, being dominated or forced.
i don't see porn as something that is innately "bad"... just as all things, it can do a lot of harm. but not to everyone who views it.
i don't know what i am getting at really. just my opinion.
i don't see porn as something that is innately "bad"... just as all things, it can do a lot of harm. but not to everyone who views it.
i don't know what i am getting at really. just my opinion.
Imhotep
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What's really sick is a judgemental "holier than thou" attitude. But that's just me being judgemental :
: .Yeah, whatever. But one man's erotica is another man's porn, and vice versa. A lady let me read one of her "erotic" novels once and it was just porn with longer words. Who are you to decide which one's which?
I don't agree with what you're saying on this subject, but on this issue I think you're just flat out WRONG.
no1
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Why do you think that it's Women who like this stuff?
Why don't you think that it's actually Men who prefer this stuff especially because of the common anger a lot of men have towards women because being denied sex and love, ie. to treat them like trash because they choose the 'bad guys' over the 'good guys'. Not that I like the stuff of course.
no1
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well.. I thought of this thread because.. I see a majority of people acting out pornographic behavior in sexuality. One of the biggest ones I see is that men typically don't wait for the female to show that she wants to be kissed or touched, they just go right ahead and do it, waiting until only after the women pushes him, would he stop.
Well, now since it is so common I think women come to expect it such that if they see a man not being sexually aggressive towards her, then he's not considered "a man" or "uninteresting/uninterested".
Well, now since it is so common I think women come to expect it such that if they see a man not being sexually aggressive towards her, then he's not considered "a man" or "uninteresting/uninterested".
You think that being sufficiently assertive to kiss a girl in the right situation - even without her direct consent - makes the guy a sexually aggressive pervert? If he misinterpreted the situation, the girl will not allow it to happen and he will learn that he was too fast, ask for forgiveness and leave.
What's wrong with the actions that the porn actors/actresses perform in standard pornographic movies, by the way? I find most of it relatively natural and healthy, and most definitely something that couples can consentiently do without having to feel bad about it.
What's wrong with the actions that the porn actors/actresses perform in standard pornographic movies, by the way? I find most of it relatively natural and healthy, and most definitely something that couples can consentiently do without having to feel bad about it.
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no1
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sexual agression
I see that a lot of guys think that touching or kissing a woman, hitting on her without a connection first or without her approval first is quite common. Instead of seeing if the woman actually wants a kiss, or the touching, they just go right ahead and do it and wait until after she pushes him away to stop.
I couldn't really do this, as it is seen as sexual aggression. But I think it is so common, that perhaps I think women come to expect it from you (since a lot of guys do this, perhaps learning from pornography, or other ideas). if you don't do it, she might see you as unmanly, fearful/wimpy or inexperienced (unmanly), uninteresting or even uninterested.
I really don't want to push myself onto a woman, but if you have to just to show that you are a man, otherwise she wont think of you in that way (ie sexually/romantically)?
Or to be a little perverse... I don't want to be a little perverse. Why should I be expected to be perverse in any way just so that I can attract the opposite sex?
If one has to be deviant, would it at least be ok if it wasn't done with a jerk-ish uncaring attitude?
I see that a lot of guys think that touching or kissing a woman, hitting on her without a connection first or without her approval first is quite common. Instead of seeing if the woman actually wants a kiss, or the touching, they just go right ahead and do it and wait until after she pushes him away to stop.
I couldn't really do this, as it is seen as sexual aggression. But I think it is so common, that perhaps I think women come to expect it from you (since a lot of guys do this, perhaps learning from pornography, or other ideas). if you don't do it, she might see you as unmanly, fearful/wimpy or inexperienced (unmanly), uninteresting or even uninterested.
I really don't want to push myself onto a woman, but if you have to just to show that you are a man, otherwise she wont think of you in that way (ie sexually/romantically)?
Or to be a little perverse... I don't want to be a little perverse. Why should I be expected to be perverse in any way just so that I can attract the opposite sex?
If one has to be deviant, would it at least be ok if it wasn't done with a jerk-ish uncaring attitude?
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no1
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ok.. are the people in pornography (especially the more violent ones) couples in the first place? no they're not. they are portrayed usually as randoms and not in any way a relationship.
And yea, I view sexual aggression and perversion is just that. I don't kiss or touch a girl until she shows that it would be ok with me. If I did she would see me differently. I also don't act in 'deviant' ways to attract females. at least in a jerk/asshole way.
The point of pornography is not to depict couples in love. Nor is it to propagate the concept of exclusive romantic relationships. It's entire purpose of existence is the sexual excitement of its viewers and nothing more.
How could she show that? Most people react to body language in a natural way - and there are certain relatively overt cues that women use to signalize their desire for an intimate kiss. A man who subconsciously - or consciously - reacts to such signals accordingly is not a sexual pervert.
no1
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Re: sexual agression
It's very confusing, when girls reject you because you are 'too nice'. And you see jerks and aholes beating their woman senseless, and the women come running back to them.
Do we really need another George Sodini? I am not condoning his actions, but something has to be done about this. It should be a wake up call. It is confusing men and making us very frustrated. I think it is a huge issue that needs to be adressed.
Why women prefer aholes over Perfectly Good Men. Perhaps because they don't even know an ahole when they see one, and the same for perfectly good men.
It's very confusing, when girls reject you because you are 'too nice'. And you see jerks and aholes beating their woman senseless, and the women come running back to them.
Do we really need another George Sodini? I am not condoning his actions, but something has to be done about this. It should be a wake up call. It is confusing men and making us very frustrated. I think it is a huge issue that needs to be adressed.
Why women prefer aholes over Perfectly Good Men. Perhaps because they don't even know an ahole when they see one, and the same for perfectly good men.
no1
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Your ideal of sexuality omits love and exclusive romantic relationships.
It actually is NOT exciting for me to see a couple who isn't in an exclusive romantic relationship in porn.
The sex is very much removed, unlike real sex which I consider to be a close and intimate thing. It is in fact more enjoyable when done with a person you love and who loves you.
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I am discussing with you the topic that you love to talk about and am trying to understand the thoughts that may underlie your incessant focus on 'proper' sexual behavior. That excludes tolerance for undue judgment. My ideal of sexuality is not the subject matter and definitely not for you to interpret.
Hm. In fact, the real 'amateur porn' that abounds on the internet depicts couples who are presumably in a romantic relationship.
Nobody questioned this fact.
Re: sexual agression
no1, I'm very sorry for whatever situation you have been through that has mislead you to believe that all women are attracted to jerks. I assure you that not all of us are attracted to those types of men. I think you need to look at the whole picture and not allow the actions of a few to affect the way you feel about all females in general. If you continue to perceive us in such a negative light, you are going to miss your opportunity at meeting someone potentially great because you will have let your negative presumptions stand in your way of that.
no1, I'm very sorry for whatever situation you have been through that has mislead you to believe that all women are attracted to jerks. I assure you that not all of us are attracted to those types of men. I think you need to look at the whole picture and not allow the actions of a few to affect the way you feel about all females in general. If you continue to perceive us in such a negative light, you are going to miss your opportunity at meeting someone potentially great because you will have let your negative presumptions stand in your way of that.
dooby-duck
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Re: sexual agression
I can't say I have ever seen this happen in real life, only in films and TV programmes. Usually accompanied by a slap to the face. I'm sure it does happen in real life, but I would definitely not say it is common. After all doing this to a stranger is a serious criminal offense. I don't think a lot of guys think this is acceptable behavior , certainly none of my friends or acquaintances do.
I think there is something seriously wrong if women expect this behavior, and I'm sure that they don't.
I can't say I have ever seen this happen in real life, only in films and TV programmes. Usually accompanied by a slap to the face. I'm sure it does happen in real life, but I would definitely not say it is common. After all doing this to a stranger is a serious criminal offense. I don't think a lot of guys think this is acceptable behavior , certainly none of my friends or acquaintances do.
I think there is something seriously wrong if women expect this behavior, and I'm sure that they don't.
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