I dislike pornography...

no1

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I dislike the effect pornography has on human beings.

In pornography, fantasies are played out where otherwise in the real world it should be illegal. But as a child who grows up exposed to this kind of stuff at a very early age, might want to emulate these behaviors, and carry it out into the adult world. From then on, sexuality is seen as a wanton, and violently lustful thing.

Even on TV, sexuality is portrayed wantonly. As children, we watch TV, and "adult" content (as if that is what adult content is really even supposed to be like). I believe being exposed to sexuality pre-puberty can mess a person's life up once you do hit puberty.

Who knows what happens in middle school and elementary. Guys touching girls, without consent. And it "just happens" without any control. Because it "feels good" and we have urges that we can't even control.

I remember, because I was exposed to pornography, and sexual abuse (as a result of the abuser being influenced by pornography) at such a young age.. in middle school, I could not control myself, and was severely uncomfortable with sexuality,or it was non existent until it took control of me. Not that I was like one of the kids who would touch others to 'see how it feels', or whatever. I was a bit different, more into my own self, rather than chasing girls. but I wonder if maybe I was supposed to, like all the other kids who were acting out their lustful desires because they saw it in pornography and wanted to 'try it out'. But instead I was introduced to it by a male, though I quickly learned it wasn't supposed to be like that, and stopped it right away. But as a child I questioned sexuality because of what I went through, the wantonness. the abuse wasn't that bad, but the fact that my mother took it so seriously, and took my to psychologists and made me question my mental state, and have doubts about myself... It could have affected me, and made me withdrawn from Love and sexuality. Because of all the wanton lustfulness going on, everywhere I went, I was uncomfortable with sexuality.

Now about the porn thing: Rape, and Sex Crimes are "ok" in pornography. You see guys being wanton with women, touching them without consent, using sexual bribery, "tricking" girls into sex, and the girls are 'dumb enough" to accept, and be ok with it. Anything goes.

So when that behavior comes into reality... I feel like women might expect you to be wild, like what is shown in pornography. I'm not like that, I am a modest person. I can't just start touching a woman without first her consent. but in porn, many of the movies show, that's how it starts. If people expect me to act like they do in porn to have sex... then I don't think I'll ever find love. But porn is so accepted in this society, that it's even used to titillate the minds of couples. Why can't there be real erotica, showing two people who loved each other. Why does it have to be wanton, and crazy.

The sad thing is, people actually believe pornography is closer to the reality of love than anything else. but what if that's not true, and it's only the reality because of pornography, and people who from a sick mind, act out pornographic behaviors, even since the beginning of mankind, before pornography. not everyone was as violently lustful as this.

Not that we can't be like animals, but even animals have their own rituals. Each species has it's own ritual. And you can't compare too much humans with other animals.
 
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no1

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I think.. pornography leads to perversion. And if one at an early age is exposed to it, carries that perversion into adult life. I think perversion dominates out media, yet, the majority don't care. Why? Because the media accepts pornography, and perversion is simply a "subjective term" unless it is violent. It is indecent in my view. Why is it that, when reffering to sex crimes, there is no such thing as "sex without consent" crime besides sexual assault or rape. Like fondling a girl without first her consent. It's not illegal to do such a thing, but sexual assault is. And rape is. But if you fondle a girl, without her consent first, it is not illegal. It is "ok", it's just deviant, but "ok". And there's nothing wrong with deviancy either, or sexual harrassment in pornography.
 
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no1

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So basically what you are saying is that those who view and or see porn at an early age ALL turn into sex offenders?

Yep.

Although it is done out of the view of other people.

Because of porn, indecency, or having indecent thoughts is seen as "ok" as long as it's done in private. Only when it becomes violent can someone do anything about it legally, but even then, people might still be subservient to think "oh it's just human nature to be wanton and violently lustful".

Not that I think this way of course. It's just what I see.

Pornography shows rape, sexual harassment, sexual assault, etc. as all being ok. And people LIKE this stuff.

Not saying there shouldn't be erotica, but Pornography is something totally different. Pornography is violent lust, inhumane. Degrading, etc. Pornography is sick, it is Twisted. THE definition of Porn = twistedness, including non-sexual pornographies of any kind. It is deviant.

And seeing people get into this, believing in it, and especially believing that, sex IS pornography, is absurd. To call it 'adult' is an understatement as well. I don't even think adults should watch it. Erotica is somethnig different. Or at least, it should be. Unless it is also influenced by porn.

Movies like the SAW movies, I also consider pornographic. Violent pornography. It is sickening to watch people ENJOY watching these kinds of movies to fulfill their so called , or believed "lust" for watching torture, blood and gore.
 
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no1

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Furthermore Barry, why don't you agree with me that Erotica is ok whilst Porn is not? Porn implies somethnig totally different. Erotica is art. Erotic can be in the form of erotic movies, etc. But even then, when it is promiscuous, I believe it to be Pornography.

When it is devoid of love, and romance it is devoid of humanity.
 

Pookah

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Porn is more dangerous for your sexual health in terms of needing it more than you should for arousal if you watch too much (read about this somewhere) but i dont think it necessarily is teaching people that it is a realistic way to be....

Just like I don't believe tv or video games teach violence. If you can't separate reality from fantasy, that is the true underlying problem not the content itself or we'd be policing thought after all is said and done.
 

no1

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Porn is more dangerous for your sexual health in terms of needing it more than you should for arousal if you watch too much (read about this somewhere) but i dont think it necessarily is teaching people that it is a realistic way to be....

Just like I don't believe tv or video games teach violence. If you can't separate reality from fantasy, that is the true underlying problem not the content itself or we'd be policing thought after all is said and done.

What about the kids who don't know any better? The people who don't know any better. Why not start at the source? The idea of policing in general should start at the source (thought level). not saying that the same kind of punishment should be for a person who is having the "wrong thought" as say a person who actually does that wrong thought. But having control of ones thoughts in the first place should be something taught as well.

Just because you or someone else thinks that TV or video games don't teach violence, doesn't mean we should be irresponsible about what goes into tv programs and video games.

You simply don't know the true power of thought, and word, and subconscious programming on a persons mind and behavior.
 

no1

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Anti-pornography movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1. "Children and adolescents who participate in the production of pornography experience adverse, enduring effects,"
2. "Prolonged use of pornography increases beliefs that less common sexual practices are more common,"
3. "Pornography that portrays sexual aggression as pleasurable for the victim increases the acceptance of the use of coercion in sexual relations,"
4. "Acceptance of coercive sexuality appears to be related to sexual aggression,"
5. "In laboratory studies measuring short-term effects, exposure to violent pornography increases punitive behavior toward women" According to Surgeon General Koop, "Although the evidence may be slim, we nevertheless know enough to conclude that pornography does present a clear and present danger to American public health"[18]
 

Pookah

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What about the kids who don't know any better? The people who don't know any better. Why not start at the source? The idea of policing in general should start at the source (thought level). not saying that the same kind of punishment should be for a person who is having the "wrong thought" as say a person who actually does that wrong thought. But having control of ones thoughts in the first place should be something taught as well.

Just because you or someone else thinks that TV or video games don't teach violence, doesn't mean we should be irresponsible about what goes into tv programs and video games.

You simply don't know the true power of thought, and word, and subconscious programming on a persons mind and behavior.


The idea of policing thought is about a million times more dangerous to me than porn will ever be...
 

no1

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Maybe not policing thought, but surely it should be taught how to control one's mind.

In school we are usually never taught this. We are taught things that don't even apply to us when growing up, but it should be paid attention to.

Hey I am the same way.. I'm a bit of an anarchist. But I'm not to the point in saying that ALL government is bad. Just certain governments, corrupt governments (which happen to be a majority).


I'm just against the obscenities, and what this can do to young, unknowing minds. In general also, for it to be "ok" to entertain ideas and thoughts which are dangerous is wrong!

Even the greeks knew this. In theatre, they performed with the intent to provide 'katharsis', and it was meant to teach people.

Where in the media do you see, a lot of the times when wrong behavior is entertained, see that such behavior is wrong, clearly stated? A lot of the times, people don't even know it is wrong for it to even be stated. They dont know the actual effect on the human subconscious. In the long run. And if god forbid we had to revert back to a more natural lifestyle, after the collapse of government or economy, how chaotic it could get.
 
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NormanBates

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Even if there was no such thing as pornography, there'd still be such things as group sex and voyeurism.
As for youngsters being exposed to pornography, if there was no pornography, there'd still be youngsters with curious dirty minds who look through key holes and under the bathroom door, and who enjoy taking baths with their parents or other youngsters. It isn't pornography that you're mad at. It's something more deeply rooted which spurred the invention of pornography.
People are just sexual beings. And I think that there are ways that people could adjust to this fact.
For instance, maybe for families to not put so much emphasis on only associating with other family members to the exclusion of friends and strangers. That way if people act out their natural sexual urges, at least it isn't shamefully directed on another member of your family. I think this is where a lot of OCD thoughts come from and even how these episodes get started.
It should be about directing your sexual energy in the right direction. And maybe that's why it should be okay to ignore certain people, or limit your time spent with certain people because attractions DO occur.
I've even had to be cautious around my own family. perversion has proven semi-rampant in family settings. That's why I don't let guilt get to me when my family tries to make me feel bad about being aloof. It's because I know that too much time around family becomes a fertile place for bad things to happen.
Only problem is, I can't tell them that. So now we have this mysterious avoidance which makes me look weird.
 
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no1

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Even if there was no such thing as pornography, there'd still be such things as group sex and voyeurism.
As for youngsters being exposed to pornography, if there was no pornography, there'd still be youngsters with curious dirty minds who look through key holes and under the bathroom door, and who enjoy taking baths with their parents or other youngsters. It isn't pornography that you're mad at. It's something more deeply rooted which spurred the invention of pornography.
People are just sexual beings. And I think that there are ways that people could adjust to this fact.
For instance, maybe for families to not put so much emphasis on only associating with other family members to the exclusion of friends and strangers. That way if people act out their natural sexual urges, at least it isn't shamefully directed on another member of your family. I think this is where a lot of OCD thoughts come from and even how these episodes get started.
It should be about directing your sexual energy in the right direction. And maybe that's why it should be okay to ignore certain people, or limit your time spent with certain people because attractions DO occur.
I've even had to be cautious around my own family. perversion has proven semi-rampant in family settings. That's why I don't let guilt get to me when my family tries to make me feel bad about being aloof. It's because I know that too much time around family becomes a fertile place for bad things to happen.
Only problem is, I can't tell them that. So now we have this mysterious avoidance which makes me look weird.


Yes, people are sexual. But violently sexual is something else.

And for people to say that "it's just the way humanity is" should also not imply that, that's how humanity should be... because we are just as capable of changing, even if it is "programmed" behavior.
 
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Flowers-Of-Bloom

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Do not dismiss all that no1 says.

Yes, pornography is completely unrealistic. It is unhealthy for pre-pubescents to see something like this, because they may not understand that others are not going to be so willing as the actors in the pornography. Younger people (0-11) may not discern the false from truth as easily as adults.
I only watched porn for the first time a few months ago. I am 17, and I couldn't take it seriously at all. I also found it boring.
Porn might give many people - particualrly underagers - unrealistic expectations.

However, this does not mean that people who see porn at an early age are going to be sexually perverted. I think that comes with improper teaching, parenting and mental health problems. But I do believe pornography fuels perversion.

(Healthy amounts of...) Lust is natural, porn is not.
 

no1

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Do not dismiss all that no1 says.

Yes, pornography is completely unrealistic. It is unhealthy for pre-pubescents to see something like this, because they may not understand that others are not going to be so willing as the actors in the pornography. Younger people (0-11) may not discern the false from truth as easily as adults.
I only watched porn for the first time a few months ago. I am 17, and I couldn't take it seriously at all. I also found it boring.
Porn might give many people - particualrly underagers - unrealistic expectations.

However, this does not mean that people who see porn at an early age are going to be sexually perverted. I think that comes with improper teaching, parenting and mental health problems. But I do believe pornography fuels perversion.

(Healthy amounts of...) Lust is natural, porn is not.

The things I think about lust. First of all... lust is ok if you mean, sexual attraction.

But lust, meaning without love, just sexual attraction... I don't agree with.

But if you mean , lust, and love, then that's ok. but I don't like to use the word lust either because it can imply something else.

There are different definitions of lust. For one person, lust might mean, an uncontrollable desire, which can be harmful. For another, it just means desire whether controlled or not.

For another, it can mean purely materialistic desire, without love and always without love, ie cannot coexist with love. For the other, a materialistic desire which can co-exist with love, and 'non material' stuff.
 
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Why dont you send this to the supreme court or something? Makes no sense to argue it on this site. What I am trying to say is, we can all complain about what all isnt right, but you get no where if all you do is talk about it.


Anyway, porn is legal because some judge agreed it was a form of entertainment. Otherwise it would be prostitution.
 

no1

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Why dont you send this to the supreme court or something? Makes no sense to argue it on this site. What I am trying to say is, we can all complain about what all isnt right, but you get no where if all you do is talk about it.


Anyway, porn is legal because some judge agreed it was a form of entertainment. Otherwise it would be prostitution.

Because I don't know how?

I have many "weird ideas" , but I simply don't know how to be an activist about it, or start a campaign or anything. How does one do these things?
 
yeah, i wonder what effect it's going to have on the younger generation, to be exposed to porn as kids. i don't know about all this violence in porn you mention though - there's probably always been a subculture that's into that. but maybe i'm just out of the loop.

i think watching sitcoms in the 70s and 80s really screwed me up as well. i didn't have any other decent models for relationships - those kind of defined how people interacted for me. ugh, no wonder i'm so messed up.
 

Flowers-Of-Bloom

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The things I think about lust. First of all... lust is ok if you mean, sexual attraction.

But lust, meaning without love, just sexual attraction... I don't agree with.

But if you mean , lust, and love, then that's ok. but I don't like to use the word lust either because it can imply something else.

There are different definitions of lust. For one person, lust might mean, an uncontrollable desire, which can be harmful. For another, it just means desire whether controlled or not.

For another, it can mean purely materialistic desire, without love and always without love, ie cannot coexist with love. For the other, a materialistic desire which can co-exist with love, and 'non material' stuff.

Of course, I am referring to lust in terms of the natural & perfectly healthy attraction that occurs between sexes. Without desire for sex there would be very little re-production and the human race would thin out (which in my opinion, wouldn't be too much of a bad thing).
But, an unhealthy amount of lust is (self-)destructive and can be fuelled by pornography and masturbation.

This is why we have marriage; for the sake of union and preventing people from having large numbers of sexual partners (role in marriage is to satisfy your partner emotionally and physically). Without marriage I feel we would be living in a much less structured society. Even now marriages are no longer taken seriously, or they are feared. Commitment scares a lot of people and even those who get married don't seem to take the life-long commitment to heart.
 

Ashiene

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Pornography, movies, fiction books, music, they are all the same thing- forms of escapism. If we can realise that what we see are only fantasy and not what we would do in real life, then they cannot harm us. That is why we have censorship, to prevent the young immature minds from associating fantasy with reality.
 
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