Females taking combat role positions in the future

Kiwong

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Remus said:
I agree with everything you just said Kiwong, shame you deleted the post.
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Wasn't really up to contribute to this thread tonight, Remus. I have some pretty strong views like everyone on this thread. I express these at elections and in the case of Australia sending troops to the Iraq invasion, in a street march in protest.
 
coyote

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well, i repeat, yet again, that i don't support every decision my government has made

i voted for the other guy - we have a different administration now - a peaceful transition in government due to free and open elections, rather than violent overthrows

my point, again, is that even though our leaders may have misused their power in the past, i still think there is a need for a standing military - to be used when there IS a just and moral cause to do so

and it's not about our "right to police the world" - we have agreements with other nations to provide for their defense. beyond that, i believe that we have a responsibility to offer assistance where it is needed.
 
Arthur_Dent

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coyote said:
we have agreements with other nations to provide for their defense. beyond that, i believe that we have a responsibility to offer assistance where it is needed.
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Governments have agreements between them. Unfortunately, some of those are or were far from being the democratic representatives of their nations, and more than request defence for these nations, they were just requesting the defence of their status in power.
 
coyote

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Arthur_Dent said:
Governments have agreements between them. Unfortunately, some of those are or were far from being the democratic representatives of their nations, and more than request defence for these nations, they were just requesting the defence of their status in power.
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yep, that's true

world politics is a tricky business

and hindsight is 20/20

at no time have i claimed that everything my government does is perfect

sometimes deals are made in order to gain cooperation in other matters or from other parties which are unknown to the general public

sometimes the information at hand is faulty, sometimes well-intentioned people make mistakes

again, this doesn't mean we should immediately eliminate our military and step off the world stage

there are still valid reasons for projecting global power

people say they want to end wars, because wars are bad - and i totally agree

and i believe that the vast majority of people on earth agree with that

the problem is that there are, and will be, groups of people who do not share this point of view.

and sometimes the only way to keep THEM from waging war against others (or even against their own people) is to threaten them with force.

it's not the best way, or the only way. but if if other methods fail, it might have to be resorted to.

and when that happens, someone needs to be prepared to do it.
 
Roman Legion

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The Lone Gunman said:
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And i have to agree on the political charginess going on.
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I am against the military after having been in it going from reserves to active duty status as much as I have, but I do like how Canada made the military a combined force, same weapons, camouflage and so on. This thread is about females being given equal rights to serve in the same positions as their male counterparts, not about justification for war, peace or whatever else is going on; I believe that is self evident to being an indication of the politically charged direction this thread has gone.
 
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Remus

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Roman Legion said:
I think this thread is becoming politically charged now.
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I haven't noticed it, Seems more of pro-military/anti-military/anti-corporate-lobbying discussion. More of a authoritarian/libertarian debate than left or right.

I'm just curious as to what members from non NATO countries think about this sort of thing and how their media portray it? (hopefully not like Fox channel lol)
 
NathanielWingatePeaslee

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Seriously though, I think it can be very tricky to determine what really is the lesser evil.

I feel that the American military should only be used when it benefits the American people. I do not feel that military intervention in other countries in most cases is to the benefit of the American people.

I feel the same about foreign aid--if we have leftover money after feeding the starving Americans, housing the American homeless, and educating the American people, then we might could think about helping out other countries.
 
KiaKaha

KiaKaha

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Unjustified invasions of countries where innocent lives are destroyed should be held accountable.
I took part in the global protests of 2003 on February the 15th - to stop the US from invading Iraq - which was held across the word - and which I believe is still unjustified - mostly because of the innocent everyday citizens of their lives being wrecked - all for a ridiculous pretense. I remember reading an autobiography by an iraqi university student during this time - her thoughts, feelings and dreams - all destroyed.

Appalling - and it makes me angry thinking about it.

I say - next time military 'intervention' has to take place take it to the 'liberators' backyard right so that everyone can see it fresh. And we can see if the attitude stays the same.
 
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KiaKaha

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Not to mention other fine examples... I still get amazed at how headstrong people will hold their position regarding use of the military and how 'necessary' it is. All I see is excuses.
 
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Remus

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KiaKaha said:
to stop the US from invading Iraq
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To be fair it was mostly NATO countries and not solely the US. The EU had great reservations apart from the UK.

We had one million here protest in the streets of London. Government did not listen.
 
KiaKaha

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Remus said:
To be fair it was mostly NATO countries and not solely the US. The EU had great reservations apart from the UK.

We had one million here protest in the streets of London. Government did not listen.
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Oh yeah - definitely - don't even get me started on the UK and Australia.
It's not the people or the countries that is the issue in my view - it's the politicians and the supporters of a governments foreign policy to blame for what I see as the problem.

War should be the absolute last point of call after all other options have been exhausted - not for the soldiers sake - but for the innocent victims that war claims.

It's always those who have the most power to make a difference that never listen. I swear it's more about pride and greed more than anything else.


Now watch this drive...
 
coyote

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KiaKaha said:
Unjustified invasions of countries where innocent lives are destroyed should be held accountable.
I took part in the global protests of 2003 on February the 15th - to stop the US from invading Iraq - which was held across the word - and which I believe is still unjustified - mostly because of the innocent everyday citizens of their lives being wrecked - all for a ridiculous pretense. I remember reading an autobiography by an iraqi university student during this time - her thoughts, feelings and dreams - all destroyed.

Appalling - and it makes me angry thinking about it.

I say - next time military 'intervention' has to take place take it to the 'liberators' backyard right so that everyone can see it fresh. And we can see if the attitude stays the same.
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i never supported the US decision to invade Iraq

i went to a few protests, too
 
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