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nafadda

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Disagree completely. Dating can give you confidence and help you progress socially. It certainly has for me.

Hiding from your problems never gets you anywhere. If you're not good with women dating is essentially working on your problems.

i never said anything about hiding from problems.

BUT i have seen MANY people here that said they couldn't even make just regular friends,or how they didn't want to live...so with that being said..how do you think dating would work out for them if they met someone and the feelings were not returned the way they would like them to be returned??/ prob not so good IMO..they would just feel even worse.

learning to make casual friends first is much more important IMO.
 

KiaKaha

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Well I just went out with the one girl for the 2nd time. She definitely wanted me to kiss her, and I actually did it.

On ya buddy - sometimes you just know. Good on you for being brave and giving it a shot. Try not to over analyze and you'll be right.
 

SM1010

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I think you can't have a successful relationship until you learn to love yourself. How can you show love for anyone else if you dont know how to love yourself....When I give myself approval, the approval from others will follow

Well when I see things like this, it just comes off as avoidance tactic to me. Those of us with SA are very talented at avoiding things were afraid of. Like how I avoided driving when I turned 16 and women the first 22 years of my life.

And what is the only way to conquer those fears? By diving into them...

If you're afraid of women/dating/relationships and tell yourself stuff like "well I can't love someone else until I love myself" as a way to justify avoiding those fears it's only going to make it worse.
 

nafadda

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well that wasn't MY post that you showed this time. it was a quote from someone elses that I agreed with.so when it looked like you said my post said something about 'hiding' from problems i just responded.

though i do not see where the other poster said to hide from problems either.

i'll stick by my original post and agree to disagree with you since i've seen people with far too many issues try and have relationships and they didn't work out because the persons did not fix what they thought was wrong with themself before trying to have a romantic relatiionship first.

friendly platonic relationships seem to work out far better with people i know that have issues,,in time romance comes a lot easier then.

most with 'issues' tend to go on and on about them and no one on a date wants to hear about that all night...that is if your wanting a second date.
 

OceanMist

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I totally agree with SM. I spoke about this not too long ago in this thread.

Alone time may be nice to have here and there, but alone time usually isn't beneficial in this situation and it doesn't help problems such as SA.

This is a case where many guys on here, including me, have a fear of speaking and even being intimately involved with a woman. Sitting on my butt at home and working on myself isn't going to get me anywhere. In fact, it will make me worse if I do it enough because it's avoiding a fear, and as we know, the more we avoid fears, the more fearful we become of that fear.

Tell me, what is being gained by isolating oneself from society? It's like SM says, exposure therapy is the way to go. "Working on oneself" by theirself is just an excuse to avoid people more. I mean how does one even work on themself anyway? Do you work yourself up into a frenzy in your room something? All that will be accomplished is too much thinking, more tv watching, or reading a book or something....all things that won't have near the positive impact that getting out there and meeting people will.

You see, i know this stuff because I'm guilty of working on myself by myself and realized that it wasn't getting me anywhere. We need approval from other people, that's part of having approval of yourself. It's how we are as humans. It's why we need personal relationships to be healthy. You won't get many personal relationships if you never challenge your fears and never step out of the house. I've learned that firsthand.

Look at what's happened with SM. He challenged his fears and now he's feeling good about himself. He's a good example. It's something that never would have happened by "working on himself" at home alone.
 
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SM1010

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what signs?
I am totally blind to these things. :-/

There's a lot of subtle signs women throw out (some consciously and some subconsciously) if they're interested. Some include:

- if they're laughing a lot
- if they're touching you (playfully pushing you, touching your arm, etc)
- if she's asking you a lot of questions
- if she's leaning towards you (example: You're at a booth having a drink, if she's learning forward with her elbows on the table she's pretty interested at that point. If she's slouching back in the booth with her arms crossed on her lap she's not as interested).

In my case she was basically laughing at everything I said, even when it wasn't that funny. She was also playfully pushing me whenever I teased/or took a friendly jab at her expense. She was also asking as many if not more questions than I was asking her (on the first date).
 

Aletheia

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apropos of nothing

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MikeyC

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That was fantastic, Aletheia. I hope "neggers" in real life get the same treatment. It is such a vile thing to do. More women need to recognise the signs.

I don't get the bowling ball reference. Is that just a one-off joke? Haha.
 

sullyS25

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Well when I see things like this, it just comes off as avoidance tactic to me. Those of us with SA are very talented at avoiding things were afraid of. Like how I avoided driving when I turned 16 and women the first 22 years of my life.

And what is the only way to conquer those fears? By diving into them...

If you're afraid of women/dating/relationships and tell yourself stuff like "well I can't love someone else until I love myself" as a way to justify avoiding those fears it's only going to make it worse.

Yes we are very talented at avoiding things we are afraid of you are correct. I dont recall saying that I dont go on dates because I want to learn to love myself. I said this because I recognize that a lot of people on this forum have problems with depression and insecurities and the majority of them think their lives will be better if they get a girlfriend...Like a girlfriend is their salvation. The truth is that these insecurities will still be there if we dont work on them as well..A girlfriend will not solve our problems and it is evident when I see people posting on this site about how they wish they had a girl or could lose there virginity, claiming that things would be much better....Then it happens and they complain about not getting enough attention from the girl, jealousy issues, control issues, etc....These all stem from personal issues and they dont just go away because we find someone that shows us affection and makes us think we matter.
 

coyote

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Yes we are very talented at avoiding things we are afraid of you are correct. I dont recall saying that I dont go on dates because I want to learn to love myself. I said this because I recognize that a lot of people on this forum have problems with depression and insecurities and the majority of them think their lives will be better if they get a girlfriend...Like a girlfriend is their salvation. The truth is that these insecurities will still be there if we dont work on them as well..A girlfriend will not solve our problems and it is evident when I see people posting on this site about how they wish they had a girl or could lose there virginity, claiming that things would be much better....Then it happens and they complain about not getting enough attention from the girl, jealousy issues, control issues, etc....These all stem from personal issues and they dont just go away because we find someone that shows us affection and makes us think we matter.

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Felgen

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so true..I think some people I have seen here should work out their own issues first before they even think about dating.

also some need to understand this is reality and if you think the person with the movie star good looks is just going to fall into your life,well chances are you may go around lonely or just get used and tossed away and over look some really nice people.

A lot of self-esteem issues stem from lack of success in terms of dating; thus, dating can be a part of the recovery treatment.
 

Felgen

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Re: apropos of nothing

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png

Actually, flirting does not come natural to most (if any) people with Asperger's syndrome, PDD-NOS (this is what people who say they have the former actually mean), NLD and similar neuological disorders and thus (like eye-contact, saying "hello" back when someone says hello to you and showing that you're interested in what other people say) needs to be learned intellectually and mechanically. Likewise, a person who is blind can still learn to navigate.

Furthermore, the moral of the cartoon (that you basically can't make changes to your life) is wrong. I've gone from severe social anxiety to mild social anxiety.
 
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OceanMist

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Went on a date on Saturday. It wasn't terrible but it was kind of bad. Tons of awkward silences, the girl was very weird and totally different than me. We definitely weren't a match as I did not like her. I mean she's nice, but not my type. She's also below average looking. Some of those women will have better pictures in their profile than what they look like in real life like this girl did. Oh well.

That's cool though, I got some more experience. I think I'm starting to learn more about what I want by finding some women that I'm not attracted to and talking to them in person.

Like Coyote said, it's a good thing that the women that I'm not attracted to or the ones that aren't attracted to me, that I'm getting rid of these women quickly. I'm looking forward to finding a woman that I do connect with so I can be comfortable with her and enjoy my time with her.

I would prefer conversation to flow more naturally, so I think I need to keep working on conversation starters and social skills. I've got to feel good about how courageous I've been. I've stepped up to the plate and showed up to every date that I've scheduled and have managed to keep the woman in front of me for at least an hour every time on the first date.
 

OceanMist

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Re: apropos of nothing

A lot of self-esteem issues stem from lack of success in terms of dating; thus, dating can be a part of the recovery treatment.

Actually, flirting does not come natural to most (if any) people with Asperger's syndrome, PDD-NOS (this is what people who say they have the former actually mean), NLD and similar neuological disorders and thus (like eye-contact, saying "hello" back when someone says hello to you and showing that you're interested in what other people say) needs to be learned intellectually and mechanically. Likewise, a person who is blind can still learn to navigate.

Furthermore, the moral of the cartoon (that you basically can't make changes to your life) is wrong. I've gone from severe social anxiety to mild social anxiety.

I agree with both of these quotes.
 

SM1010

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Hanging out with this girl for the third time tonight. Pretty nervous. I already kissed her so I'm gonna have to be even more physical tonight.

Told her about my inexperience. I said I realize that some women find it a turn off, some find it attractive, and some don't care either way. But I said that I'm comfortable with my inexperience and it's the woman's problem if she doesn't like it. I made sure to word so it didn't sound like I was self conscience about it and so that it doesn't come off as a weakness.

She still seems really into me.

Guess we'll see how it goes. Sex seems somewhere around the corner, which scares the hell out of me.
 

AsTimeBurns

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Still sort of using eharmony at the moment. Must have sent 50+ messages. Had a handful of short conversations, but they just peter out quite quickly as I run out of things to say once you get beyond the generic crap like "how's your weekend?", "what do you do?", "what do you do in your spare time?", etc... or anything particular they may have mentioned in the profile. So they always just stop responding.

Don't know why I thought this would be easier online than in real life, just means I struggle with things to type instead of actually say. >.>
 

OceanMist

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Hanging out with this girl for the third time tonight. Pretty nervous. I already kissed her so I'm gonna have to be even more physical tonight.

Told her about my inexperience. I said I realize that some women find it a turn off, some find it attractive, and some don't care either way. But I said that I'm comfortable with my inexperience and it's the woman's problem if she doesn't like it. I made sure to word so it didn't sound like I was self conscience about it and so that it doesn't come off as a weakness.

She still seems really into me.

Guess we'll see how it goes. Sex seems somewhere around the corner, which scares the hell out of me.

I wish I was in your situation. That woman sounds understanding, kind, and cares about you. And you've already gotten the kissing out of the way so it would be hard for her to reject you now. You're in a good spot judging from what you've said.

And she knows you're inexperienced and doesn't care? Sounds like you are golden to me. It may not even matter what your performance is like.

Good job being confident with that stuff you told her. The good thing is you've been up front with some stuff that would be sensitive to some people and showed confidence.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could just set yourself in cruise control with this girl. It seems you've established solid ground early on.
 
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