Females taking combat role positions in the future

WishingICould

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You want to join the army? Cool. :bigsmile: I didn't think that would be your thing.

I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of debate about this. I think women should have the same opportunities and it shouldn't matter whether you're male or female as long as you can do your job.
 
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Lamb

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WishingICould said:
You want to join the army? Cool. :bigsmile: I didn't think that would be your thing.

I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of debate about this. I think women should have the same opportunities and it shouldn't matter whether you're male or female as long as you can do your job.
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I agree, and it's not like they're lowering requirements. The number of men will still far outweigh the amount of females.

"In addition to questions of strength and performance, there also have been suggestions that the American public would not tolerate large numbers of women being killed in war."

^ I think that's true. It may be a bitter pill to swallow.

As for the army, it's always been something I've taken into consideration. I haven't done enough research as far as cons go, but I think I have the potential.
 
coyote

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before you decide on the Army, take a look at the Marine Corps - they're much more awesomer
 
Starry

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Lamb said:
"In addition to questions of strength and performance, there also have been suggestions that the American public would not tolerate large numbers of women being killed in war."

^ I think that's true. It may be a bitter pill to swallow.
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That's because society has come to value the lives of women and children above the lives of men... For example, most news reports state "X-number of people were killed, including Y-number of women and children", as though people being killed isn't enough, we have to specify that women and children were killed too... More men than women die in their jobs each year and yet statistics are not widely know, while they would almost certainly be if the figures were reversed. In times of disaster it's always "women and children first" to be rescued... No gender's life is intrinsically worth more than the other's so society needs to change the way it thinks about that if any claim of "equality" wants to be made.
 
WishingICould

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Lamb said:
I agree, and it's not like they're lowering requirements. The number of men will still far outweigh the amount of females.

"In addition to questions of strength and performance, there also have been suggestions that the American public would not tolerate large numbers of women being killed in war."

^ I think that's true. It may be a bitter pill to swallow.

As for the army, it's always been something I've taken into consideration. I haven't done enough research as far as cons go, but I think I have the potential.
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I'm not sure why people would think a woman getting killed is worse than a man. :idontknow:
 
MikeyC

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Starry said:
That's because society has come to value the lives of women and children above the lives of men... For example, most news reports state "X-number of people were killed, including Y-number of women and children", as though people being killed isn't enough, we have to specify that women and children were killed too... More men than women die in their jobs each year and yet statistics are not widely know, while they would almost certainly be if the figures were reversed. In times of disaster it's always "women and children first" to be rescued... No gender's life is intrinsically worth more than the other's so society needs to change the way it thinks about that if any claim of "equality" wants to be made.
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Women and children are majestic flowers, while men are steel mills with cats and dogs for fuel. :giggle:
 
this_portrait

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Starry said:
That's because society has come to value the lives of women and children above the lives of men... For example, most news reports state "X-number of people were killed, including Y-number of women and children", as though people being killed isn't enough, we have to specify that women and children were killed too... More men than women die in their jobs each year and yet statistics are not widely know, while they would almost certainly be if the figures were reversed. In times of disaster it's always "women and children first" to be rescued... No gender's life is intrinsically worth more than the other's so society needs to change the way it thinks about that if any claim of "equality" wants to be made.
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I agree with this.
 
Xervello

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Just what the military needs, more women to rape. Seriously, this is one double standard that shouldn't be righted.
 
Xervello

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Lamb said:
Can you further explain what you mean by that Xervello?
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There is an alarming rate of sexual assaults against military women from within military ranks. Due to recent pressures, the higher-ups who were at once quick to dismiss claims or sweep them under the rug have been forced to address more and more of them. I don't have the statistics on hand, but I believe the numbers have tripled each of the past three years. And those are only the ones being reported. Not to mention the sexual assaults going on against those working for defense contractors, etc, overseas. Now you add to the mix women serving in combat who if they are captured not only face certain rape by their captors but the psychological impact it has on male soldiers towards those females serving. Over-protectedness, resentments, intra-personal dynamics, etc. This is one of the few areas where I feel women Should be discouraged from inclusion. In combat, that is.
 
Roman Legion

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WishingICould said:
I'm not sure why people would think a woman getting killed is worse than a man. :idontknow:
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Probably for the same illogical reasons why mass murder of children is 'worse' than the mass murder of adults. To me a loss of a life is a loss of a life, regardless of gender, age or race.

All for this and I hope they either end selecive service or make women sign up for it at 18 like us men do. I would prefer the eradication of selective service to be honest. From my experience of 5 years in the Army, I would strongly discourage anyone from ever joining, but that is not my choice to make; we all have to make our share of stupid mistakes, but joining has been a long and painful experience that ends January 2014.
 
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WishingICould

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Roman Legion said:
Probably for the same illogical reasons why mass murder of children is 'worse' than the mass murder of adults. To me a loss of a life is a loss of a life, regardless of gender, age or race.

All for this and I hope they either end selecive service or make women sign up for it at 18 like us men do. I would prefer the eradication of selective service to be honest. From my experience of 5 years in the Army, I would strongly discourage anyone from ever joining, but that is not my choice to make; we all have to make our share of stupid mistakes, but joining has been a long and painful experience that ends January 2014.
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Can you leave after 5 years then? It's different over here. Why do you dislike it so much?
 
Roman Legion

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WishingICould said:
Can you leave after 5 years then? It's different over here. Why do you dislike it so much?
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No, here you have to sign a contract for X amount of years, you can resign if you are an officer, but for us enlisted, we are locked into a contract until the very end. If I could resign, I would have done so long ago. It has just been an awful experience for me, I do not wish to delve into details right now, but I have a strong dislike for the military and look forward to being discharged. I have an 8 year contract, I serve 6 years and the last two years are in the inactive reserves.
 
Starry

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Roman Legion said:
Probably for the same illogical reasons why mass murder of children is 'worse' than the mass murder of adults. To me a loss of a life is a loss of a life, regardless of gender, age or race.

All for this and I hope they either end selecive service or make women sign up for it at 18 like us men do. I would prefer the eradication of selective service to be honest.
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I agree completely, especially the final sentence!

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I have to say, I think women in the military is a bad idea... Just as I think men in the military is a bad idea... The vast majority of people who are killed in combat situations are completely innocent, it's almost never the leaders or the people giving the orders who lose their lives... Signing up to the military means you're signing up potentially to kill other innocent people.

Sorry to go off subject, but I felt like pushing my pacifistic views a little... I hate war... It's a tragic, terrible waste of life. If everyone refused to fight, there could be no wars...
 
Roman Legion

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Starry said:
I agree completely, especially the final sentence!

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I have to say, I think women in the military is a bad idea... Just as I think men in the military is a bad idea... The vast majority of people who are killed in combat situations are completely innocent, it's almost never the leaders or the people giving the orders who lose their lives... Signing up to the military means you're signing up potentially to kill other innocent people.

Sorry to go off subject, but I felt like pushing my pacifistic views a little... I hate war... It's a tragic, terrible waste of life. If everyone refused to fight, there could be no wars...
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Why was the war department renamed to department of defense? Seems as if they got the idea from George Orwell's 1984 newspeak, giving ministries misleading titles. Since changing the name, the US military has waged more offensive campaigns than before and not even in the name of defense. I joined because I had no other means of making money where I live and they made promises of paying for college, I joine the Military Police as they offered me a substantial bonus and told me I would only do police duties and not see combat. That was fiction of course, but by the time I found that out I was in a combat support MP unit. I will not kill another person, so I share your pacifism. Have you ever read the book Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau? Personally, I would like to see the military budget slashed so we might invest in real advancement in education, health and scientific advancement. If something like Starfleet existed, I would be the first in line to join that.
 
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