what do you think happens when we die?

Flanscho

Flanscho

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Starry said:
Being an Atheist doesn't automatically rule it out... There are Atheists I've personally known who do believe in an afterlife...
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There are many definitions of Atheism. I'm one of those "I'm free of religion and superstitions" guys, and your friend is probably one of those "I don't believe in god, but in a lot of other supernatural stuff nobody can prove and that makes no sense".

You talk about evidence without giving any.
If there'd be scientific evidence that some sort of life after death would exist, it would be the most important discovery in the history of mankind. That evidence would reshape our society as we know it. None of that is happening. Because there is no evidence.

I agree 100% with this... But then, there is very little proof for many things which we do accept scientifically... Lots of evidence, but very little absolute proof...
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Like what?

As for my personal opinion on the subject... I have to say, I am completely agnostic about it. I simply do not know. I am completely open to all possibilities... I have read many books upon the subject and there is some very interesting evidence, but nothing strong enough to sway me either way...
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Everyone can believe what he/she wants to, in my opinion. There are, for me, hundreds of reasonable arguments against some sort of life after death, and no single argument speaking for it. As such, it seems not logical to me, and I'm convinced that, when we die, we just cease to exist.

I personally hope that there is some form of afterlife, although I think I'd be a little disappointed with reincarnation... I don't wish to be someone else... I'm most drawn to becoming part of a "whole", perhaps combining with infinite love/energy/awareness... Or something to that effect. Although, I'd be equally happy with floating around the universe, exploring it...
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IF some sort of afterlife would exist, the chance for it being something pleasurable are as high as the chance for it being a nightmare so utterly horrible that you couldn't ever imagine it. So be careful what you are wishing for. I don't like ceasing to exist either, so I think that it's a pity, that I haven't been born a century later or so, since then science might be able to stop the aging process.

If you'd reincarnate, you couldn't be disappointed, since your memory would obviously be wiped clean, and you'd be a totally new person. It wouldn't really matter if you'd die or reincarnate, unless you'd be able to keep your memories.
 
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GhastlyCC

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Nothing.
We die and that's it.
Your body rots away and you become nothing more than a memory in the minds of the people who knew you.
Those people die,Photographs and videos corrode and are thrown away.
And it's as if you were never existed.
Just like before you were born.
 
Starry

Starry

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Flanscho said:
You talk about evidence without giving any.
If there'd be scientific evidence that some sort of life after death would exist, it would be the most important discovery in the history of mankind. That evidence would reshape our society as we know it. None of that is happening. Because there is no evidence.
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I haven't provided evidence because: A. I'd have to go and look through my books to find them and then quote them, and I do not feel it's worth spending so much time and effort on it for a post on a forum where I am not going to enter into a debate. And B. I prefer to encourage people to research for themselves and reach their own conclusions.

Simply stating that there is no evidence without researching for yourself is not valid. Just as stating that there is evidence, without researching for yourself is also invalid... I don't like to take anyone's word on anything, I prefer to look for myself, and I highly recommend everyone does the same.

Also, with your point about it changing mankind - I disagree... Scientists who do research this area find it very difficult to get funding or be taken seriously by the scientific community in general, regardless of their findings when they do get funding to conduct proper research. It's very difficult for them to publish their work and it remains largely unknown by the larger community. Sometimes it take a long time for things to change due to evidence not being accepted...


Flanscho said:
Like what?
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The field of abiogenesis, and Big Bang Theory to name two obvious ones... Also there are many things in specific areas which I have personally looked into, such as the originator of the Laetoli footprints (popular works - and Wiki - make it appear that they were definitely made by an Australopithecine (usually A. afarensis). However, reading various papers by many experts reveals a split view ranging from an unknown species through to a form resembling Homo, with other ideas between...) and many, many other things besides... They all have varying degrees of evidence, but none have absolute proof. Indeed, some things such as the Oort cloud are purely hypothetical, yet are still taken seriously by many scientists... Having read many books and papers, not one scientist whose works I have read would consider them a fact or proven...


Flanscho said:
If you'd reincarnate, you couldn't be disappointed, since your memory would obviously be wiped clean, and you'd be a totally new person. It wouldn't really matter if you'd die or reincarnate, unless you'd be able to keep your memories.
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That would depend - if any of the cases I've read of reincarnation are true (let's hypothetically say they are for the point), including cases where young children are crying to speak to their "old families" (who they have named and subsequently their parents have tracked down), then if I were to be reincarnated, there would be a small possibility of me remembering this life and being disappointed lol... However, it's worth pointing out that I don't actually believe in anything... I am merely open to all possibilities...
 
LoyalXenite

LoyalXenite

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GhastlyCC said:
Nothing.
We die and that's it.
Your body rots away and you become nothing more than a memory in the minds of the people who knew you.
Those people die,Photographs and videos corrode and are thrown away.
And it's as if you were never existed.
Just like before you were born.
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I agree with this, thats what i believe happens too...
I want to believe in an afterlife, i'd love to see those i've lost, but i just dont have the ability to believe in an afterlife or higher power, i wish i could...
 
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AGR

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Nothing,nothing is immortal until proved otherwise,until then its all dreams people have.
 
BlackPuma

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Personal assumption based on personal believe and observation (subject to inaccuracy);

Our conciousness ceases to be when our brain stops to function. Then afterwards our memories and all we ever were disappears as our braincells slowly decays away. At the same time every building block in your body is reclaimed by nature, and is recycled into something new.
 
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spearhunter

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that what happens, Your family is paying a lot of money do get you a proper burial , everybody that cared about you cries, and then you are buried in a hole 8 feet deep, and the real people that cared for you will come and visit your grave.
 
Lea

Lea

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spearhunter said:
that what happens, Your family is paying a lot of money do get you a proper burial , everybody that cared about you cries, and then you are buried in a hole 8 feet deep, and the real people that cared for you will come and visit your grave.
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Haha true.
 
Nanita

Nanita

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I believe lots of things will happen after the physical body dies. I see it as a return to the spirit life, which to me seems more real.
 
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Amitush123

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Nanita said:
I believe lots of things will happen after the physical body dies. I see it as a return to the spirit life, which to me seems more real.
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Yeah, but what does that mean? I have no memory prior to this life..am I a "new" soul, or will my death be the end?
 
coyote

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if the existence of anything depends on the presence of observable evidence

then the existence of the universe is totally dependent on the fact that i am here to observe its existence

so if - in dying - i cease to exist, then the universe will also cease to exist

but the only way to prove that is for me to die

but if i die and cease to exist, there will be no way for me to know

so in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, i must assume that everything else (including you) will also cease to exist the moment i die

the only way for me to believe that everything else will continue to go on in my absence is to have faith, not proof

if i can believe that you and the world around you exists without me being able to observe any physical evidence to support it (because i no longer exist after death), then why am i unable to believe in other things that do not have any observable physical evidence?
 
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