when I see pictures of people in prison

LazyHermitCrab

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they have to eat crappy food, they sometimes have to live and be close to other inmates all day, they have to socialize with other inmates (depends on personality, but i wouldn't feel comfortable), they cant have sexual relations lol, can't see a good movie... we still have it better and i'm the same like i stay in a comfortable room when i can
 

AGR

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Only if you are in a rich country,that doesnt even look like a prison,better than where I am now.
when I think of prison that is not what comes to my mind.
 

AGR

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In fact prison in my mind is too crowded,I could not cope with that just because of this fact.
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How you think a prison should be depends on what purpose you think it serves.

Is the purpose of a prison to rehabilitate or is it to punish?
 

Rembrandt Broam

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How you think a prison should be depends on what purpose you think it serves.

Is the purpose of a prison to rehabilitate or is it to punish?

I think it's both, but it's also to keep those who are a danger to society away from the rest of us. That's why I get so annoyed when I hear of people being imprisoned when it's quite clear they aren't a danger to anyone. You need to imprison a rapist or a murderer, but you don't need to imprison someone for tax fraud.
 

MikeyC

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Is the purpose of a prison to rehabilitate or is it to punish?
I think it's currently set to punish, with lower influence on rehabilitation, when that's what also needed.

I think it's both, but it's also to keep those who are a danger to society away from the rest of us. That's why I get so annoyed when I hear of people being imprisoned when it's quite clear they aren't a danger to anyone. You need to imprison a rapist or a murderer, but you don't need to imprison someone for tax fraud.
Good post. I had never really thought of it that way. I will say that how do you punish someone who's made some illegal deductions?
 

KiaKaha

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I think it's both, but it's also to keep those who are a danger to society away from the rest of us. That's why I get so annoyed when I hear of people being imprisoned when it's quite clear they aren't a danger to anyone. You need to imprison a rapist or a murderer, but you don't need to imprison someone for tax fraud.

I agree I think its both too - I dont know much about criminology but if you have been brought up your whole life surrounded by criminal activity and all you know is crime, then that is what you are going to do - some people just dont know any better - although in saying that, thats not a rule either.

I think things like tax evasion and other white collar criminals do need to go to prison - as a punishment. They may not be 'dangerous' - but they can ruin lives either directly or indirectly - they dont have the right to do that, and they deserve to be punished - I actually find white collar crime more distateful sometimes.
 

Rembrandt Broam

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I think it's currently set to punish, with lower influence on rehabilitation, when that's what also needed.


Good post. I had never really thought of it that way. I will say that how do you punish someone who's made some illegal deductions?

They can be punished financially, with fines that are relative to their wealth. There should always be imprisonment as a final resort, for those who simply refuse to stick to the rules, but in most cases it actually costs the rest of us money to keep someone in prison. Plus I don't think putting minor criminals in an environment with people who are far worse is a good idea. It seems like it would be more likely to increase the chances of them re-offending on release.
 

Kiwong

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having to share a cell like that would be the worst nightmare for me - zero privacy, no personal space

I agree I wouldn't able to cope with sharing a room or lack of privacy. I wouldn't survive. I appreciate the freedom I have.
 

OceanMist

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That would still be hell even if there was video games and cable. What would get to me would be the feeling of being locked up and not being able to leave.

I went to military school and that place was like a prison. It wasn't as bad but I would have rather gone to prison for a while than spend 2.5 years there like I had to.

I can't stand being stuck in one place for a long time. I also can't stand people like guards controlling me. I'd go nuts if i went to prison.
 

Kiwong

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There is no way people in prison are better off. So many things that help keep the amount of sanity I still posses would be taken away.
 

Aletheia

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Plus I don't think putting minor criminals in an environment with people who are far worse is a good idea.

When you are sentenced to prison, you are enrolled in the Institute of Higher Criminal Learning, the world's foremost university of crime. Here, you make contacts and learn a new trade. It's obvious that, if you are unable to get a job while awaiting trial, you certainly aren't going to get one as an ex-con.

(Peter McWilliams)

Imprisonment, as it exists today, is a worse crime than any of those committed by its victims.

(George Bernard Shaw)
 
Prisoners get it too easy these days.

And good folks like us get it too hard.

I hardly think so.

While they enjoy luxuries such as television/books ect, there's still the fact that they're couped up with the worst society has rejected. If they happen to be targeted for abuse, all they can do is wait for it to happen. There's no show, book or website that is going give sufficient release for that kind of lifestyle.

Us good folk are in most cases blind to the fortunes we have. So much in fact that we start to compare prisons, facilities specialized keeping people captured like animals so that the rest of us don't have to deal with them, and make us the negative outcome in that comparison. When we want to leave, we can just go ahead and do it. Perhaps we might have a hard time finding our way and coping financially, but it can be done.


There are people that get into jails merely because of petty crimes, and because they weren't understood, and therefore not helped - a feeling many here should be familiar with. It might begin with stealing a few apples- and end in multiple murders, just because he/she was forced to live in a place (for a extended time) in which the social construct is less then humane, instead of being helped, like he/she should've been. Not to mention it's not unheard of of innocent people getting thrown in jail due a kink in the law, they get the exact same chances.

In matter of fact, I'd rather see it turning into a better place then it is now. Not in luxuries, but in general. Separate the people whom made a mistake, for the actual deranged lunatics. And giving those people an actual chance to redeem themselves. Staffing the prisons duly that they can actually control the mentality, rather then just containing the bodies.

They're not born as criminals, yet that's how many seem to treat them. Waste that doesn't belong in our paradise. It just rubs me the wrong way to see how people see prisoners are deranged serial killers while some of them are in there for far less severe crimes. It's like we're still in the darned Middle Ages.

Anyway, off topic rant over now.
 
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hidwell

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I hardly think so.

While they enjoy luxuries such as television/books ect, there's still the fact that they're couped up with the worst society has rejected. If they happen to be targeted for abuse, all they can do is wait for it to happen. There's no show, book or website that is going give sufficient release for that kind of lifestyle.

Us good folk are in most cases blind to the fortunes we have. So much in fact that we start to compare prisons, facilities specialized keeping people captured like animals so that the rest of us don't have to deal with them, and make us the negative outcome in that comparison. When we want to leave, we can just go ahead and do it. Perhaps we might have a hard time finding our way and coping financially, but it can be done.



There are people that get into jails merely because of petty crimes, and because they weren't understood, and therefore not helped - a feeling many here should be familiar with. It might begin with stealing a few apples- and end in multiple murders, just because he/she was forced to live in a place (for a extended time) in which the social construct is less then humane, instead of being helped, like he/she should've been. Not to mention it's not unheard of of innocent people getting thrown in jail due a kink in the law, they get the exact same chances.

In matter of fact, I'd rather see it turning into a better place then it is now. Not in luxuries, but in general. Separate the people whom made a mistake, for the actual deranged lunatics. And giving those people an actual chance to redeem themselves. Staffing the prisons duly that they can actually control the mentality, rather then just containing the bodies.

They're not born as criminals, yet that's how many seem to treat them. Waste that doesn't belong in our paradise. It just rubs me the wrong way to see how people see prisoners are deranged serial killers while some of them are in there for far less severe crimes. It's like we're still in the darned Middle Ages.

Anyway, off topic rant over now.

I couldn't agree with you more, a very enlightened point of view.:)
 

Kinetik

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I thought that first pic was me until I looked a little closer and realized the guy actually has a friend. :D
 
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