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lily

lily

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All you need to do is like in the Scripture 'Come all you who are weary and heavy-laden and i will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.' have you ever thought of joining a church and being committed, trying to talk to other christians and to sing? that will be a start
 
PugofCrydee

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AtTheGates said:
Im pretty sure theres a huge margin of error to that because both my parents have masters degrees as do their parents before them and we're all religious.


and I also know a lot of other people around here who have been religious for generations (all the way back to when their ancestors came here from Europe) that also are quite intelligent and doing well for themselves . One of them is a doctor actually.



In general though, people have been saying that christianity is on its way out for hundreds of years . People have even tried to basically SNUFF it out......



......STILL here.



and continuing to push forward.
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I guess I was referring to religion in a general sense, not any one in particular. "Still here.." - yep, I'll admit it's a fantastic business model.

Since you quoted my comment, can you answer a question I've always wondered;

What makes your idea of a god the 'right one' compared to the thousands of other 'gods' people have had since the concept of religion was bought about, even way before the christian model (or Hellenistic Judaism) was introduced?

I wonder what - to christians - makes it any more credible than the cult of Dionysus, Neoplatonism, Mithraism, Gnosticism, and Manichaeanism?
 
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AtTheGates

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PugofCrydee said:
I guess I was referring to religion in a general sense, not any one in particular. "Still here.." - yep, I'll admit it's a fantastic business model.

Since you quoted my comment, can you answer a question I've always wondered;

What makes your idea of a god the 'right one' compared to the thousands of other 'gods' people have had since the concept of religion was bought about, even way before the christian model (or Hellenistic Judaism) was introduced?

I wonder what - to christians - makes it any more credible than the cult of Dionysus, Neoplatonism, Mithraism, Gnosticism, and Manichaeanism?
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Actually, you already asked almost the same exact question some months in a different thread back and we had a long drawn out conversation where you kept asking more and more questions and I just kept giving answers. I posted a link to a website that had informations as to why christianity did better throughout history and spread throughout western civilization as opposed to small-time "cults" . If you want to dig through the forum to find it or do research of your own go ahead.


Here's one example though : The cult of dionysius would have festivals where everyone ,including children, would participate in drinking contests and get about as drunk as they could. Its was actually a staple of dionysius worship whereas your body being seen as a temple (which you should try to take care of) is a staple of christianity.

Not to mention the countless orgies the cult of dionysius would have as a part fo their bacchanals. Ummmmm...HIV, AIDS,Hepatitis? You get the picture. Reveling in debauchery can cause quite a few problems especially if the particular religion you follow actually ENCOURAGES it. Such excess of instant gratification can lead other problems especially among children who were often included in these bacchanals in very vulgar ways. a religion that literally preaches excess and drunkenness doesnt seem like a good idea in general .

Anyway, I have to study for an exam so I dont have time to answer more questions on this subject again but feel free to do further research.
 
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Hot_Tamale

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PugofCrydee said:
I guess I was referring to religion in a general sense, not any one in particular. "Still here.." - yep, I'll admit it's a fantastic business model.

Since you quoted my comment, can you answer a question I've always wondered;

What makes your idea of a god the 'right one' compared to the thousands of other 'gods' people have had since the concept of religion was bought about, even way before the christian model (or Hellenistic Judaism) was introduced?

I wonder what - to christians - makes it any more credible than the cult of Dionysus, Neoplatonism, Mithraism, Gnosticism, and Manichaeanism?
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I think it's because (for me, personally) there have been hundreds and hundreds of accounts from men and women that have been sent to the after-life and been brought back from the dead. And for all the accounts - whether they were sent to hell or heaven in that time - all of their stories share several common denominators.

I've read 2 books called "23 minutes in Hell" and "90 minutes in Heaven" where the authors die and are sent to the after-life. In their books they say they came across others in their life that walked up to them and said that their "dead/alive again" experiences were extremely similar. It's like one person walking into a Subway restaurant in New York, then meeting someone else that walked into a Subway in Los Angeles and their sharing similar stories. Just because a random child in Pakistan has never been to a Subway before doesn't make the idea of Subway any less valid.

Don't get me wrong, the same can be true for Islamic worshippers....but I have yet to hear any real-life accounts of an Islamist dying and receiving their heavenly rewards/punishments. Perhaps it's just biased media...I don't know.

I do recall one account of a Buddhist monk dying and being sent to hell and being brought back to life. I think the monks from the temple banished him after that and tried to silence his story. I'll try to look at it again later.

Anyways...those are my reasons. Also, the infinite vastness and beauty of the universe is what convinces me also. It all goes back to the question "Who created it?" and if the Big Bang did, then who created that? and so on and so on...until we're asking "Who created the atoms?"

Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu's story - he saw Buddha in hell
 
AtTheGates

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Hot_Tamale said:
I think it's because (for me, personally) there have been hundreds and hundreds of accounts from men and women that have been sent to the after-life and been brought back from the dead. And for all the accounts - whether they were sent to hell or heaven in that time - all of their stories share several common denominators.

I've read 2 books called "23 minutes in Hell" and "90 minutes in Heaven" where the authors die and are sent to the after-life. In their books they say they came across others in their life that walked up to them and said that their "dead/alive again" experiences were extremely similar. It's like one person walking into a Subway restaurant in New York, then meeting someone else that walked into a Subway in Los Angeles and their sharing similar stories. Just because a random child in Pakistan has never been to a Subway before doesn't make the idea of Subway any less valid.

Don't get me wrong, the same can be true for Islamic worshippers....but I have yet to hear any real-life accounts of an Islamist dying and receiving their heavenly rewards/punishments. Perhaps it's just biased media...I don't know.

I do recall one account of a Buddhist monk dying and being sent to hell and being brought back to life. I think the monks from the temple banished him after that and tried to silence his story. I'll try to look at it again later.

Anyways...those are my reasons. Also, the infinite vastness and beauty of the universe is what convinces me also. It all goes back to the question "Who created it?" and if the Big Bang did, then who created that? and so on and so on...until we're asking "Who created the atoms?"

Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu's story - he saw Buddha in hell
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Interesting you should mention that , I saw this a while back.

laurinbellg She's a doctor btw.

Laurin Bellg - Near-Death Experiences in the ICU - YouTube
 
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MollyBeGood

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I am such a sap for those make-over shows where people get new hair and make up when they haven't changed their style for 25 yrs or whatever, and their significant other sees them for the first time and cries-which makes me start crying! It's pretty neat the transformations they make. The newly made-over person is always beaming with confidence which is also really emotional and beautiful to see.
 
PugofCrydee

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Hot_Tamale said:
I think it's because (for me, personally) there have been hundreds and hundreds of accounts from men and women that have been sent to the after-life and been brought back from the dead. And for all the accounts - whether they were sent to hell or heaven in that time - all of their stories share several common denominators.

I've read 2 books called "23 minutes in Hell" and "90 minutes in Heaven" where the authors die and are sent to the after-life. In their books they say they came across others in their life that walked up to them and said that their "dead/alive again" experiences were extremely similar. It's like one person walking into a Subway restaurant in New York, then meeting someone else that walked into a Subway in Los Angeles and their sharing similar stories. Just because a random child in Pakistan has never been to a Subway before doesn't make the idea of Subway any less valid.

Don't get me wrong, the same can be true for Islamic worshippers....but I have yet to hear any real-life accounts of an Islamist dying and receiving their heavenly rewards/punishments. Perhaps it's just biased media...I don't know.

I do recall one account of a Buddhist monk dying and being sent to hell and being brought back to life. I think the monks from the temple banished him after that and tried to silence his story. I'll try to look at it again later.

Anyways...those are my reasons. Also, the infinite vastness and beauty of the universe is what convinces me also. It all goes back to the question "Who created it?" and if the Big Bang did, then who created that? and so on and so on...until we're asking "Who created the atoms?"

Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu's story - he saw Buddha in hell
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Thanks for your thought's Tamale :)

On your point of people being brought back from death or being dead, I see death as when our flesh starts to decay or when rigor mortise has set in. Do you see it differently? :thinking:
 
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Hot_Tamale said:
I think it's because (for me, personally) there have been hundreds and hundreds of accounts from men and women that have been sent to the after-life and been brought back from the dead. And for all the accounts - whether they were sent to hell or heaven in that time - all of their stories share several common denominators.

I've read 2 books called "23 minutes in Hell" and "90 minutes in Heaven" where the authors die and are sent to the after-life. In their books they say they came across others in their life that walked up to them and said that their "dead/alive again" experiences were extremely similar. It's like one person walking into a Subway restaurant in New York, then meeting someone else that walked into a Subway in Los Angeles and their sharing similar stories. Just because a random child in Pakistan has never been to a Subway before doesn't make the idea of Subway any less valid.

Don't get me wrong, the same can be true for Islamic worshippers....but I have yet to hear any real-life accounts of an Islamist dying and receiving their heavenly rewards/punishments. Perhaps it's just biased media...I don't know.

I do recall one account of a Buddhist monk dying and being sent to hell and being brought back to life. I think the monks from the temple banished him after that and tried to silence his story. I'll try to look at it again later.

Anyways...those are my reasons. Also, the infinite vastness and beauty of the universe is what convinces me also. It all goes back to the question "Who created it?" and if the Big Bang did, then who created that? and so on and so on...until we're asking "Who created the atoms?"

Athet Pyan Shinthaw Paulu's story - he saw Buddha in hell
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/a-last-second-surge-of-brain-activity-could-explain-near-death-experiences-28726479/
 
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Hot_Tamale

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PugofCrydee said:
Thanks for your thought's Tamale :)

On your point of people being brought back from death or being dead, I see death as when our flesh starts to decay or when rigor mortise has set in. Do you see it differently? :thinking:
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That's an interesting concept, I'd like to hear more about your train of thought on that one. I believe being physically "dead" is when the heart stops beating, brain wave activity has ceased, and all internal organs have been shut down. "Past the point of no return" so to speak.

I also agree with Benjamin Franklin's quote: "Many people die at 25 and aren't buried until they're 75" because I can sort of relate.

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It’s been documented that when people faint, for example, the loss of blood flow to the brain can generate a narrowing of the field of vision—perhaps explaining the tunnel often described in their memories. The release of epinephrine and other chemicals in the brain during moments of stress, meanwhile, could account for the sense of euphoria.

Thanks for the article :thumbup: I've read articles like that before. Both divisions are fiercely passionate in defending their opinions.

I'm not disputing scientific research but I just have one question though. Why are those that are decapitated in tragic accidents and by guillotines in the 17th century exempt from the tunnel vision and bright, euphoric light while others that still have their heads attached to their bodies experience it mere seconds after death occurs? Unless decapitated victims are performing voluntary, conscious acts in spite of the fact that they see a bright light and "tunnel"?

Top 10 Cases of Life After Decapitation - Toptenz.net
 
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Sarah_M

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Hot_Tamale said:
That's an interesting concept, I'd like to hear more about your train of thought on that one. I believe being physically "dead" is when the heart stops beating, brain wave activity has ceased, and all internal organs have been shut down. "Past the point of no return" so to speak.

I also agree with Benjamin Franklin's quote: "Many people die at 25 and aren't buried until they're 75" because I can sort of relate.


It’s been documented that when people faint, for example, the loss of blood flow to the brain can generate a narrowing of the field of vision—perhaps explaining the tunnel often described in their memories. The release of epinephrine and other chemicals in the brain during moments of stress, meanwhile, could account for the sense of euphoria.

Thanks for the article :thumbup: I've read articles like that before. Both divisions are fiercely passionate in defending their opinions.

I'm not disputing scientific research but I just have one question though. Why are those that are decapitated in tragic accidents and by guillotines in the 17th century exempt from the tunnel vision and bright, euphoric light while others that still have their heads attached to their bodies experience it mere seconds after death occurs? Unless decapitated victims are performing voluntary, conscious acts in spite of the fact that they see a bright light and "tunnel"?

Top 10 Cases of Life After Decapitation - Toptenz.net
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I'm a little confused by your question and, no offense, but the article you provided isn't exactly scholarly, so there's no telling if any of that is true.

I'm not a neuroscientist - I have no idea what happens to the brain after decapitation. However, I do know that you can't come back from something like that, so there's no way to get a firsthand account of what the newly beheaded may be experiencing.

I'm not trying to trounce on your religious beliefs, but science is concrete. We may just have to agree to disagree.
 
AtTheGates

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Science can explain many of the HOWS in life but it cant explain the WHYS. It can be explained how neurotransmitters interact with synapses but no one can explain WHY this happens.


For example, Why was there a tsunami in indonesia in 2004?


As long as humanity ponders the questions of WHY the world works the way it does we will always have belief in a higher power.



The idea that science is concrete is quite interesting but when you consider how much is still unknown about the human brain you might beg to differ. There are new studies coming out ALL the time about brain functions and experts STILL cant decide about how much the brocha's area controls speech compared to the wernecke's area (and vice versa), among other things ...and thats just one example.


so basically they cant rule out that the structure of the human brain was created through some type of grand design/higher power
 
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