But I wouldn't hurt a fly. This is in regards to the shooting in Colorado. I want to scream everytime I read about the shooter being quiet, he kept to himself, etc etc. It brings about thoughts of just because 1 lunatic decided he was going to take people out, doesn't mean the rest of us introverts etc would ever do something like that. I guess what Im afraid of is discrimination..because some people are just dumb and will jump to conclusions. You know, like "watch out for the quiet ones". I don't know. Does anyone else cringe when something bad happens and people most of the time describe the person as "quiet, loner" etc?
So I'm quiet, shy and introverted..
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I understand what you mean,when they described the guy as quiet and lonely, mt brother looked at me and said "just like you". He was mostly joking, but said it in an accusing manner, as if he knows I'm not a psycho but that there's still something wrong with me for being that way (which is how I am besides the SA).
da_illest101
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They can say whatever they want, but I'm a 100% sure that the most villainous crimes where made by outspoken people. Though I seen newspaper defining someone has social and popular when they committed a crime as well.
Dark angel
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Oh my! I understand exactly where you are coming from. Worst thing is that most of the comments you see in the websites is, "beware of the quiet ones, those are the ones to watch out for" I mean, WTF? It is not fair to label us introverts or "quite ones" as potential hazards to society. It has gotten to a point that these kind of thoughts are getting into my head, I feel like me being isolated could potentially turn into a bad thing eventually, like I'm scared of doing something like this in the future if I don't start being a little bit more social. Which is a nuts kind of way of thinking because, I'm a very sensitive person and I know that I would never harm anybody in this manner but it is powerful how others thoughts and opinions can influence yours.
That being said, it is sad what happened in Colorado. And my heart goes out to the families that lost their loved ones, but I also feel sad for Holmes family. I guess that they didn't think in a million years that their son would do something like this. Many people say the parents are to blame because they raised him. Okay, this is not always true, sometimes parents do their best to raised their child and the unexpected happens. Sometimes children lose their track, and this seems to be the case...
...And call me crazy, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way... I also feel sadded for him. This was a guy, who had the future at his feet if he wanted, a possible brilliant mind for tomorrow but he opted to do this nonsense act. So yeah, it is a very unfortunate event from EVERY angle but the media and everybody else need to stop implying that introverts are possibly dangerous.
That being said, it is sad what happened in Colorado. And my heart goes out to the families that lost their loved ones, but I also feel sad for Holmes family. I guess that they didn't think in a million years that their son would do something like this. Many people say the parents are to blame because they raised him. Okay, this is not always true, sometimes parents do their best to raised their child and the unexpected happens. Sometimes children lose their track, and this seems to be the case...
...And call me crazy, maybe I'm the only one who thinks this way... I also feel sadded for him. This was a guy, who had the future at his feet if he wanted, a possible brilliant mind for tomorrow but he opted to do this nonsense act. So yeah, it is a very unfortunate event from EVERY angle but the media and everybody else need to stop implying that introverts are possibly dangerous.
ForeverTheWeirdKid
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Society created the monster.
da_illest101
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Yea, the ways our society work is only to push people to the edge. I would never think of killing someone, but man I would love to destroy the way our society works. It's truly became inhuman
OceanMist
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I believe that it's always the same old song with these shootings. I agree with the media on this one, it is always the social outcasts who wind up shooting up places.
Yes, I'm def a social outcast, and I'm not saying I'm going to shoot anything up, but I did some reading and watching of information on these people and it's gotten to the point where I'm convinced that it's always the same thing with most of these shooters.
I apologize if I somehow offending anyone with what I'm saying, because that's not my intention to offend anyone. Remember that I have a similar personality as many of these shooters, so I'm not speaking out of turn.
Gosh, Colorado just can't catch a break. That's at least two shootings in a similar area. Going back to Columbine, there were two social outcasts that felt rejected by society. That's the key with all of these shootings. These people all struggle to make friends, and many of them don't have any real friends or significant other.
The guy who shot the governor and others in Arizona was described by neighbors as being very non-social and avoiding eye contact.
George Sodini, the guy who shot the women in Bally Fitness in Pennsylvania, I believe. He couldn't get a g/f for 25 years and had no friends.
The Omaha mall shooting which people tend to forget about for some reason, 9 people or so were killed by a teenager. The kid was described as being a quiet loner who didn't have friends and kept to himself all the time.
Ted Bundy had problems making friends and had intimacy issues.
The list goes on. All these people had at least one thing in common, they either had been removed from society's circle by force or chose to leave or both. The anger they have is because that's a human emotion that comes when you aren't loved by anyone. You feel alone and can even start to hate the world. I know cuz I've been there.
The other thing that many of these shooters had is a troubled home life, often divorced parents. Although that one isn't always the case.
My condolenses to everyone who died in the Colorado shooting recently. You wouldn't expect a movie theater to be a place for something like this but nowadays, everywhere is a target, I guess. It's terrible.
Yes, I'm def a social outcast, and I'm not saying I'm going to shoot anything up, but I did some reading and watching of information on these people and it's gotten to the point where I'm convinced that it's always the same thing with most of these shooters.
I apologize if I somehow offending anyone with what I'm saying, because that's not my intention to offend anyone. Remember that I have a similar personality as many of these shooters, so I'm not speaking out of turn.
Gosh, Colorado just can't catch a break. That's at least two shootings in a similar area. Going back to Columbine, there were two social outcasts that felt rejected by society. That's the key with all of these shootings. These people all struggle to make friends, and many of them don't have any real friends or significant other.
The guy who shot the governor and others in Arizona was described by neighbors as being very non-social and avoiding eye contact.
George Sodini, the guy who shot the women in Bally Fitness in Pennsylvania, I believe. He couldn't get a g/f for 25 years and had no friends.
The Omaha mall shooting which people tend to forget about for some reason, 9 people or so were killed by a teenager. The kid was described as being a quiet loner who didn't have friends and kept to himself all the time.
Ted Bundy had problems making friends and had intimacy issues.
The list goes on. All these people had at least one thing in common, they either had been removed from society's circle by force or chose to leave or both. The anger they have is because that's a human emotion that comes when you aren't loved by anyone. You feel alone and can even start to hate the world. I know cuz I've been there.
The other thing that many of these shooters had is a troubled home life, often divorced parents. Although that one isn't always the case.
My condolenses to everyone who died in the Colorado shooting recently. You wouldn't expect a movie theater to be a place for something like this but nowadays, everywhere is a target, I guess. It's terrible.
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I too think its very unfair to blame the parents..of any killer..most of the time they did the best they could, they had no clue their son/daughter would go out and hurt/kill people. I think sometimes people are just born twisted, evil whatever you want to call it..nobody would be able to have stopped it. And I also like you, feel saddened for him a bit as well, he f**ked up his whole life, for what?? I feel for the victims, you go out to a movie hoping to enjoy yourself etc and some lunatic comes in, it can happen to any of us, anywhere at anytime. Basically you got to live your life and try not to fear..you dont want to let the nut jobs win.
Okay so maybe then the difference between us, (meaning us that use this website and have social issues) and him/the shooter, is maybe coping skills?? Anothers words you or I if feeling really low or depressed etc we would reach out to someone one way or another, like this website for instance, or a friend or maybe a psychiatrist etc. Maybe he had no coping skills? he didnt know how?? I mean how could you not? But maybe he lacked something upstairs..also to maybe he felt soooo different from everyone else he thought no one could relate to him and thats why he didnt reach out? Because just from using this website I know there are others out there like me and deal with the same issues, it brings me a kind of comfort. But maybe he had no clue others might be able to relate to whatever was going on in his head or heart..
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Dark angel
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I personally didn't feel offended so don't worry. You have a valid point and yes, there's a common history there. What puzzle me the most is, with this kind of track or history going on, is why everybody else is not taking notice? Rejection can really, and definitely mark someone's life and not in a good way, so why do society or certain people keep doing hurtful stuff to others? Then, when this kinds of things happened they don't seem to understand why. This is a typical case of a guy that possibly didn't find his place in the world and had something to say. I'm not justifying this atrocious act AT ALL, but I can definitely see his frame of mind. . That being said, the main point here is that not only introverts do this kind of stuff. This kind of acts and their perpetrators have a story to tell, wether they ARE OR NOT introverts. It is wrong to accuse every introvert now of something to beware of. ,
Mokkat
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Anders Breivik was the most social and outgoing person. Then, by plan, he isolated himself for years, which he spent playing Call of Duty and leading a large WoW guild. He did this to limit interaction with people so there would less of a chance he would be found out.
Of course, Breivik was also hyper intelligent and with good connections, so he was able to obtain automatic weapons in a country with strict gun control. In America, any unstable maniac or outcast can get an assault rifle legally or illegally without questions asked.
Of course, Breivik was also hyper intelligent and with good connections, so he was able to obtain automatic weapons in a country with strict gun control. In America, any unstable maniac or outcast can get an assault rifle legally or illegally without questions asked.
awkwardamanda
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No, you're not the only one. I felt a little sorry for him too. When I read that he was a PhD student, my first thought was that he was probably bullied. It's pretty clear he's got some sort of mental illness. Whether it's a personality disorder, or psychotic episodes or whatever mix of problems. This isn't a case of someone who turns to crime because he got mixed up with the wrong crowd. But nobody noticed until he blew a fuse. Or maybe someone did notice and had no idea what to do about it, or they just didn't have a clue how bad things really were. I'm not excusing what he did at all. It's a terrible tragedy. But I can understand why people get fed up with rejection and this f-ed up world we live in.
I think the main difference is empathy.
ForeverTheWeirdKid
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I agree, we could stop all of this with unity.
da_illest101
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I don't think we represent much of the population, plus let's be honest people like us we hide in plain site or we are impossible to find
AsTimeBurns
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I would disagree with some of the points raised here and in the media.
People tend to assume straight away when something like this happens that the person "must have a mental illness". It's nonsense.
Perfectly normal people can just be driven over the edge, or they can have hugely different views to most of us. Doesn't mean they are ill..
Like that Norweigan dude who shot all those kids. Straight away it was "he';s mentally ill"...not really. He just had radical political views that the vast majority of people would disagree with.
Of course we can still find what they do wrong and in cases like this, abhorrent, and they should be rightfully locked up, but if's dangerous turf when as a society we start labelling anyone who doesn't fit into our idea of "normal" as mentally ill.
People tend to assume straight away when something like this happens that the person "must have a mental illness". It's nonsense.
Perfectly normal people can just be driven over the edge, or they can have hugely different views to most of us. Doesn't mean they are ill..
Like that Norweigan dude who shot all those kids. Straight away it was "he';s mentally ill"...not really. He just had radical political views that the vast majority of people would disagree with.
Of course we can still find what they do wrong and in cases like this, abhorrent, and they should be rightfully locked up, but if's dangerous turf when as a society we start labelling anyone who doesn't fit into our idea of "normal" as mentally ill.
Hellhound
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I agree. I don't think all of us would be able to do something like that, but I do believe that some of these shooters had similar issues to us, plus other more severe issues, and couldn't cope with that very well. And most likely they never went to therapy to catch these problems before they got worse. I doubt they had any support either.
Waybuloo
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The film Falling Down with Michael Douglas is a good illustration of a 'normal' person driven to despair and 'cracked'.
If society thinks it's the quiet ones who create the crime, because they understood it to mean that their loneliness and frustration with relationships made them do it, it follows that society should make life easier for quiet loner type of people. 2 sides to the coin.
OceanMist
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Waybuloo
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Some people are conditioned to be better at self soothing. People who did not learn how to love and care for themselves, maybe due to lack of parental care, with the right genetic disposition, may be unable to process negative emotions and thoughts. Crybaby comes to mind though it is a negative word.