Does God exist?

“1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?
Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9
Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10
The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.
How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."”
Source Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God

12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but he who hates reproof is stupid.

I believe religions are man made, and theres so many reasons that I won't get into but it seems you are just arguing for a Deist type of god, but the arguement is really just that the universe works, and it works perfectly so there must be a designer? I mean just because we dont know all the answers yet doesnt mean we have to say God did it. Dont think that humans are so special that we deserve to be saved on this little rock in the middle of nowhere.


(btw i shouldnt say "perfectly", nature has a lot of waste to it, how is that designed?)

so basically this means we don't understand everything so lets make up a nice fairy story to fill the gap. god of the gaps again heh? i don't think people understand the size of the universe.. there are billions of stars in a galaxy and billions of galaxys in the universe even if the chances were 1 in a billion life would evolve in every galaxy. and you say that earth is the only planet(which moons can also have life too by the way) known that has the chemicals for life WRONG Europa a moon of Jupiter has a salty liquid ocean underneath ice with all the chemicals for life and perfect temperature due to the tidal force of Jupiter stretching a squeezing it. we we may find life there one day when we have the technology to drill the ice.
And we are not far away from discovering earth like planets we and we have the abilty to detect life from the spectra of the atmosphere with space telescopes

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When I was young, I used to believe, but eventually i realized that i was believing what others wanted me to believe. So every time I was in church praying or singing, I never ask questions. But once I stop going to church and ask myself questions, this where I stop believing. Like many of you said, religion is man made, at the time when most religion were created it was to control population.

Most people are sheeps, and when there is no explanation for something they will use god as an excuse for anything. I'm haitian and me my cuz were talking about the earthquake in haiti and he came with answer that it was god's doing to clean up the place. To me that was one of the dumbest answer i ever heard.

I see religion has a way to neutralized one's mind to accept the good and bad and the unexplained. But not everyone like to be lied to. If you have a conversation with a really religious person ( my best friend for example) you'll see that there answer to almost any question will be either god or satan. This is a simple way to think about life and causes less stress then thinking : why is everything is here, why am I here etc. Death is one the things that prove any religion wrong. Why are you sad, cry, feel empty when someone die, when that person is supposed to be in heaven? Deep we know the truth. Heaven is in the sky, yet we went further then sky.

Religions are fairy tales that were meant to control people, like many fairy tale, it give people hope and desire and help them stabilize themselves. anyways that's just my opinion sorry for the spelling mistakes

yohannes: next time you cut and paste your proof that God exists, please add paragraphs and spacing to it to organize it into something I can attempt to read without getting a headache.

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NathanielWingatePeaslee said:

yohannes: next time you cut and paste your proof that God exists, please add paragraphs and spacing to it to organize it into something I can attempt to read without getting a headache.

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this is a summary for you

we don't know why, we don't know why, we don't know why, we don't know why, we don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, don't know why, THEREFORE GOD EXISTS. thats some convincing evidence !!!!

a world where we know everything.. is boooring the fact that we have evolved into beings who are capable of explaining anything about the world around us is amazing

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When you start putting your energy into explaining religion with science-babble, you've defeated the purpose of believing in it IMO.

Science is the rational way of working out how everything works, religion is the opposite.
Everything explained in the first post, is laid out so it sounds incomprehendable and amazing, but really we are quite capable at observing them rationally and explaining them through science.

Science merely observes the laws of nature, and recocnises that Earth and its inhabitants are simply 1 lucky combination of variables capable of life, out of a billion.
Nature fundamentally works through equilibrium - balance in things. The planet is locked in orbit around the sun, and will continue to untill something big enough smashes into it (which hasnt happened yet, since jupiter sucks in potential killer meteors with its gravity, lucky gasplanet to have).
Humans are just another lucky step of evolution from the first bacteria. Our ancestors had to evolve mentally and physiologically to live on the african steppes, and we are sentient because of our highly evolved social-life and our smarts. If we become a little too smart and adapted, and try to grasp power by firing nuclear bombs at each other or overpopulate excessively, equilibrium will see to it that we go extinct.

Spiritualism and religion has always been a part of humanity. Every tribe of humans, regardless of location and how advanced they were, have always had gods. You could call it another form of equilibrium, because believing in a greater and mystical being, gives an explanation to things you cannot understand, bonds communities together strongly and gives you a purpose in sticking to the way of life you know.


Im not religious at all. Our day's big religions just leave me extremely sceptical, because they have so many bad tales of tragedy, powermongery and corruption in their past.
I believe in our spiritualism though, like spending half a day feeling down, then later being a part of a large crowd at a concert and really sensing that great euphoric feeling of being a part of something bigger, and forgetting your sadness.

If I could choose, Id choose living a simple life of harmony with an indian tribe in the past, over living in our present day with its technology and entertainment - lonely, in a heart-beat

Okay, I spent over an hour typing up a response and then my computer crashed.

The basis of my argument was that most of the science this guy uses is either not completely accurate, out of context or completely false (everyone here can google the individual arguments he makes to determine which is which). They are also very, VERY common creationist arguments that have been thoroughly debunked yet are persistently still in use.

None of what he has stated is proof of the existence of God, nor does it prove that he doesn't exist. He has basically just organized a collection of facts and half-truths and then surmised that this is evidence that God is real.

I might re-type my argument later.

yohannes said:

“1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?
Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9
Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10
The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?
Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.
How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11
Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."”
Source Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God

12:1 Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge,
but he who hates reproof is stupid.

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WOW, this article brought a smile to my face. You can delete the word god, and replace it with universe. This is an accurate article on science - but they take the science out of context to suit their own flawed belief.

“The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.”

You are surmising this from a human perspective. Perfect is a human idea and thought process - we think we see patterns. If no humans were alive, what would be a pattern? Patterns can be made by nature through the chaos theory. If you draw a circle on a piece of paper, how many times will it take you to get it perfect? No doubt, you’ll believe you have drawn a perfect circle - but not in mathematical terms, because it won’t be. Your mind sees what isn’t true.

Given the size of the universe, earth type planets are possible, because we are living examples. The universe is a huge number cruncher, and the same number will always pop up somewhere.

YouTube - Fractal Zoom Mandelbrot Corner

Alan Turing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.”

The Earth will not be so perfect when the sun’s core runs out of helium and expands to swallow the Earth. Again, the Earth appears perfect, for NOW, but it won’t always be so, and wasn’t always so. You’re alive to see how perfect it is.

“And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents”

Gravity can shape a planet or celestialbody.

Newton’s Three Laws

I. Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.

II. The relationship between an object's mass m, its acceleration a, and the applied force F is F = ma. Acceleration and force are vectors (as indicated by their symbols being displayed in slant bold font); in this law the direction of the force vector is the same as the direction of the acceleration vector.

III. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

YouTube - Zero Gravity water sphere experiment

“Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.”

Yes, water is a universal constant – just like helium and hydrogen, which makes up roughly 90% of the universe. Water is the third most abundant mineral in the universe. If you’re going to make a pie, you may as well use what you have. There may be multi-verses with different exotic elements, those universes may have life. Life and water may not be mutually exclusive outside of our universe.

“The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.”

I wear glasses, and so do many others, the eye is not so perfect.

YouTube - How the eye evolved - National Geo

“Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.
Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9
Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10
The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.”

Just because scientist can’t explain what caused the big bang, doesn’t mean you have to fill the gap in with a creator. What if the universe expands and then reverses causing another big bang? It would mean the universe was never ending, so no room for a god, because it would be a paradox. If there is a god outside of the universe, is that god in another universe? What created that god’s universe? The idea of god, if true, would be an infinite regress.

LadyWench said:

Exactly!

And as for the "argument" of there being a creator because Earth is the perfect distance away from the sun, the moon, etc. - that's just ridiculous. If there is an almighty creator, why did he create such a harmful object, like the sun? You said yourself that any closer to it, and we would all burn up. That's true. But why would he/she/it make something so dangerous to life? Why is Earth the only planet with life on it? Why do other planets even exist, if life isn't supposed to inhabit them? They're pointless, if they were created by a designer. The rest of the universe is completely insignificant, if someone/something went out of their way to make it, yet it's impossible to live in.

Faith is just a pathetic excuse for a comfort blanket. It's easier for weak minds to believe that we go into an orgasmic kingdom when we die, and that's where our loved ones are when they pass on. Why ignore science and factual evidence? Sure, there's no PROOF that God either does or doesn't exist, but making up stories because you just can't live your life by saying simply "I DON'T KNOW", is just foolhardy and ignorant.

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You speak like people were the kings of the Universe and everything in the Universe, every planet, every piece of dust should be here for us. And why, if there is God, why did he create such a dangerous object like Sun? Haha are you serious? Sun gives us light, warmth, life! We couldn't exist without it. And even if it was dangerous, or other planets "pointless", dangerous and pointless from whose view? Ours? Who cares about us, why should there be everything just for us? That's a quite selfish view. Why couldn't the Sun and Universe exist just for its sake, for the beauty of Universe, for the glory of God? (if there was one and I believe he is, but not in the human form or in the limited human imagination of how God should be like, I think it is just a form of conscience, a superior conscience)

I wish he did I'm so sick of suffering.

Banvard said:

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Banvard's argument is more or less what I was in the process of working on when my computer crashed.

In other words, "Yeah, what he said!"

Lea said:

You speak like people were the kings of the Universe and everything in the Universe, every planet, every piece of dust should be here for us. And why, if there is God, why did he create such a dangerous object like Sun? Haha are you serious? Sun gives us light, warmth, life! We couldn't exist without it. And even if it was dangerous, or other planets "pointless", dangerous and pointless from whose view? Ours? Who cares about us, why should there be everything just for us? That's a quite selfish view. Why couldn't the Sun and Universe exist just for its sake, for the beauty of Universe, for the glory of God? (if there was one and I believe he is, but not in the human form or in the limited human imagination of how God should be like, I think it is just a form of conscience, a superior conscience)

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I never said it all existed just for "us". Leave it to a creationist to misinterpret what I said. I was asking the original poster questions. I certainly don't believe the universe is here just for us; for Earth. That's what most CREATIONISTS believe. I do not. And that's not even close to what I said.

Lea said:

Who cares about us, why should there be everything just for us?

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what the post is arguing is that we are in one special planet which was made to support life so basically thats saying it was built for us.
do you not agree with that?

wow people here are so smart....

Why do people worship a god they cannot see? Why not worship the sun? It's up there in space, it's the centre of the solar system, it gives you life, it created life, you can see it, it doesn't command you, just watches over you.

No, no. Forget my original post. I DO NOT believe that our planet was "made" just for us. I'm a devout Atheist. I believe in Evolution. I find creationism to be extremely ignorant. I guess I just worded my first post poorly. I was asking the original poster these questions. Almost in a sarcastic way. My apologies.