"You chose to be like this".

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I'm actually quite surprised to read all these angry responses, because I've always felt guilty towards my family over bust-ups like this. I mean okay OP, your mother was being a little bitchy, but you have to remember that she doesn't know how to deal with you. All of these types of fights are due to parents not able to cope with or fix the anxiety problems their kids have, which often leads to great frustration on their part. I honestly think one of the causes of my escapism/avoidance is down to me feeling like I'm a burden on my family. That's why I've lived away from them for years now, and why I only talk to my folks if they phone or visit me first.

I agree with this strongly, very well said. This is where better communication will make a great deal of difference. But it has to be done with a willingness on our part to move forward. Staying in a rut will cause more frustration for everyone involved. And no good parent will just sit by and do nothing. Helping them to know how you feel and understand your needs will help them better understand how to deal with your condition. We have a habbit of sayying and doing nothing, and this makes it hard for others to do anything with us, because social interaction requires their effort exlusively, and if they don't know how to deal with us, they'll simply move on. Or in the case of family where that's not possible, simply get frustrated and argumentative.
 

Lea

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I'm actually quite surprised to read all these angry responses, because I've always felt guilty towards my family over bust-ups like this. I mean okay OP, your mother was being a little bitchy, but you have to remember that she doesn't know how to deal with you. All of these types of fights are due to parents not able to cope with or fix the anxiety problems their kids have, which often leads to great frustration on their part. I honestly think one of the causes of my escapism/avoidance is down to me feeling like I'm a burden on my family. That's why I've lived away from them for years now, and why I only talk to my folks if they phone or visit me first.

I don't quite understand what you mean here, I can only say that from my experience, I don't believe abusive people can get changed, if we are good to them. They can't be dealt with in any way, the only way is to AVOID them. From my family I know, I can either suffer or escape, but there is no way to change the way they treat you. They're just brainless machines always repeating and doing the same no matter how you behave. With these people, showing them some meekness or remorse or attempt to talk normally only backfires at you, they don't understand, on the contrary humiliate more.

Which is I hope not the OP's mother case, not all parents are that bad, some can be dealt with.
 

honeydippedxo

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If you aren't doing everything in your power to over come SA then you actually are choosing to be like this. Cmon you know your grown enough to wear cloths without stains on them. Knowing you have SA isn't a get out of jail free card. You don't get to be like oh I cant go out and do things because I have SA. If you dont care about yourself, nobody else will. Now you know why its so hard to do social activities so you have to work harder than the average person to get these things done. Do it for yourself not for your mom or anybody else, that way it doesn't matter what they think/say about you.
 
I guess I sort of agree that if you aren't doing anything to overcome it, then you're indirectly choosing to be like this. However, not wanting and/or knowing how to seek help, or being too depressed to seek help, is inherently a part of the disorder, so I don't think we can entirely be blamed when our low self-esteem and feelings of inferiority/inadequacy block us from "just doing things." Ultimately, I see no productivity in trying to point fingers or place blame as to why/how we got the disorder, and why we continue to have it. No one can completely understand where we're coming from except ourselves- there's no sense in caring about what is said out of ignorance/frustration.
 

Lea

Banned
I guess I sort of agree that if you aren't doing anything to overcome it, then you're indirectly choosing to be like this. However, not wanting and/or knowing how to seek help, or being too depressed to seek help, is inherently a part of the disorder, so I don't think we can entirely be blamed when our low self-esteem and feelings of inferiority/inadequacy block us from "just doing things." Ultimately, I see no productivity in trying to point fingers or place blame as to why/how we got the disorder, and why we continue to have it. No one can completely understand where we're coming from except ourselves- there's no sense in caring about what is said out of ignorance/frustration.

Great answer.
 

Section_31

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My wife's parents used to say the same thing to her quite often. It really hurt her. In recent years theyve gotten a little better about things. But i still think its awful that relatives can say that...or friends.

if people could simply "will" their way out of SA, they would.
 

DRAGON

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dont let no one tell you that you chosed to be like this, because they dont have the faintest idea of what they're talking about. No ONE could possible understand the dephs of you.
they dont understand fear.
if any of you SHOSED to be like this.... then make your self a favor and stop behaving like a spoiled brat because then your problem is not S.A.

think about this for a moment....

if you chosed to be like this then you dont need medication, because is not a physical problem, but a problem in your mind, it should be pretty easy...
STOP choosing to be like that.
 

Katie Bug

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Well, no one has said that to me. Everyone has just told me that I should talk to people more, which is stupid. I tell them I have social phobia (basically that I can't talk to people, right?) and then they wanna say "well, you should just talk to people." wth? I know they're right and that's what I have to do but they act like it's so simple. I'm sorry your mom said that to you, but don't let it get to you. Try telling her how much it bugged you that she said that.
 

Iseesky

Well-known member
I agree with the people who've said it is a choice. Social anxiety isn't something like cancer or autism that you get/have whether you like it or not.
Internally, you've made a choice to have a fear of society. The thought process is irrational and negative. We don't have to think that way. We CHOOSE to think that way. And that's what social phobia is all about isn't it? Negative thinking? "If I talk to that person, I'm going to make a fool of myself and look stupid..."

That's the way I look at it anyway.
 

missjesss

Banned
that is the exact reason I moved away from my parents I fuking couldn't take it anymore my dad is a big culprit for my s.a also and mum is just a stresspot I physically cannot handle being in the household with them anymore coz there is constant arguing..put downs and yelling and overprotectiveness !!
 

Hellhound

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I'm sure that attitude of hers contributed a lot to your problems. But yeah, some parents aren't going to admit they have failed badly and destroyed their child's self esteem, or caused them to be in pain, or made their problems worse. The easier thing is to place the blame on their child and avoid any responsability. "You chose to be like this", "people treat you a certain way because YOU do/act/dress a certain way" (because, you know... there's no way other people are just stupid, no. It must be your fault somehow), "you are like this because you want to/you're weak/etc". It sickens me.
 

EscapeArtist

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Jess that sounds like my parents/mother. Overprotectiveness for SURE, put downs, stress x 20398423.

Anyway it IS a choice. Most things happens because you choose for it to happen (as a means of self protection, still a choice). It's the truth. But the good thing is that we can also choose to not be like this when we want to by challenging it.
 

krs2snow

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Its really hard to hear things like this when we're feeling so lousy! We think to ourselves "Oh yea, right! I choose to be miserable and hate my life!" But there is a certain amount of truth to those words. In a way, it is a matter of choice. We may not consciously choose to have SA but we can consciously choose not to behave in an SA manner. We can consciously choose to do the opposite of what our SA is telling us to do.
 
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Kiwong

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I choose NOT to be like this. But choosing not to let anxiety rule me is hard. My anxiety has become almost instinctive.
 

krs2snow

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^^Thats a start. U hafta choose not to be miserable. Choose not to behave the way u have in the past. Choose to do the opposite of what ur instincts are telling you and try to remember those instincts telling u to run or hide or not speak are a response to anxiety, not the situation. Choose to act opposite of what ur body is trying to force u to do and the anxiety will go down little by little.
 

just wanna b normal

Well-known member
that is true cuzz your not supposed to care what people think and yet i did wich is my mistake im just shy but im getting better now that i understand it more!
 

Lea

Banned
No one chooses to have social phobia anymore than one chooses diabetes.

There is a theory that everyone chooses everything about their lives, the parents, the appearance, even the way of death, and if we are born with some disease or any condition, it's the result of what we did in past lives. Does it seem too far fetched? Nevertheless I believe it could be true.
 

Social-E-Aukward

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There is a theory that everyone chooses everything about their lives, the parents, the appearance, even the way of death, and if we are born with some disease or any condition, it's the result of what we did in past lives. Does it seem too far fetched? Nevertheless I believe it could be true.

I guess it's possible, but then I'm sure a lot of people ask themselves, "why would anyone choose to be born into my life?" May there's a part of their past personality that they've forgotten? Maybe that part of who they are saw this life they have now as a great opportunity? Maybe if they can try to see that great opportunity and stay true to who they are, maybe they can understand why they chose this over anything else?

Either way, isn't that really what we see when we pick ourselves up and get out of the clouds of depression? Life is a great opportunity. The hard times seem to be the greatest opportunity to me, because it can get so much better.

But anyway, kind of off topic.

I know how it can hurt for someone to not understand what you are going through. The biggest problems I ever had with SA occurred with my girlfriend. She doesn't talk to me anymore because situations got so complicated and stressful for her with me around. I'm naturally prone to being anxious in social situations, but when our relationship started to hit some rough spots, her criticism began to make me more and more uncomfortable. We got into a lot of fights over my behavior, which had changed because of how I felt inside.

Whenever we took a break, I'd miss her a lot and repeat to myself what she said, about how stupid and embarrassing I had been. I was always excited when she gave me a second chance, and I said I'd be okay, it wouldn't happen again. I eventually realized it didn't matter how excited I was to see her, or how much I thought I could handle the fear of criticism. As soon as we'd start talking or spending time together, I'd begin to feel overwhelmed.

She never really understood what I was going through, if she had, I don't think things would have turned out so bad, time after time.

I know she meant well by pointing out how I should act around people, how I had caused a problem, what I could do or say differently... but the biggest stress in my life was centered around not wanting to shame her. I felt horrible when she pointed all those things out, but i felt like if I didn't pay attention, I'd never be "okay".

My biggest problem was how much I cared what she thought of me. It haunted me all the time. I could think or talk straight because i was always afraid of what she would say. I'd try to focus on everything I did wrong, but as I'm sure most of us will agree, that only made me more self-conscious and more paranoid that I would mess up, which only lead to me forgetting more, not paying attention when she was talking, and feeling more and more awkward whenever we went out anywhere.

If she had used positive reinforcement, I'm sure things would have turned out differently. She deals with her SA differently, because hers is mostly about what strangers think, say or do. Mine is primarily caused by fear of what those close to me will think, say or do. Ordinary people don't stress me much, unless I see them as having some power or control over those who are close to me.

I couldn't "make" her understand, and maybe part of that was because I really didn't understand what was happening enough to explain it.

Either way, I can definitely relate to the feeling when people fuss at you, or treat you badly. It doesn't help. It hurts a lot. When I was younger, my mother took me to doctors to try to figure out what was wrong with me. The attention was meant as a loving gesture, to show concern and try to find a solution. But it only made me feel so many times worse about myself. It also made me feel more distanced from the people close to me when they would pity me. I felt bad because I felt like I stood out, like I was a freak. Did they never think that maybe the way they looked at me only fed the problem by making it REAL!?

Some people close to us don't see us as being capable. They try to tell us what to do, and they don't always know what's best, or even understand what we're going though. It's really tough when that person is someone like a mother, sibling, or a lover. Some times, you can't stay away from their criticism.

I think a lot of times it's best to try to help them understand. Maybe when they won't listen to our assessment, our friends or therapists can help them understand. There are always going to be situations where people just don't understand, no matter how much they want to. That's something that only they can work on, and we can't expect to change them.

It's my hope that all of us who are struggling with SA can become free from the situations where people say and feelings we have that tell us we are somehow inferior. It's something each of us has the power to figure out on our own. Realizing that and building some self confidence was my first step. I know I have value, we all do. It's not really a clich'e to say that, because it's meaning is TRUE!!


EDIT: (wow, what a rant... didn't realize how long this was until after posting, lol)
 
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sevenroses

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Even though some of us agree that we didn't choose to be socially anxious, you can still choose to improve in dealing with this anxiety. It might not be realistic to eliminate the anxiety 100% but it's not too too hard to bring your anxiety down to a very manageable level.
 
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