The death of school bullying

[A friend]

Is it? So we just give up on the children that can't learn to deal with bullying on their own, and develop mental illness, or committ suicide because of it?

Yep, that's exactly what he's saying.

I strongly disagree with it, but it seems that he supports this with a strong passion (no offense at all Tino, that's just my observation and opinion).

In the United States, most parents probably don't have the time or energy to help their children with this sort of thing, due to their jobs overworking them. I think a lot of them do not have the resources or knowledge needed to help their kids with this sort of thing, so this law is neccesary.

I alway say it would be a good Idea to gave the right for parents to be able to sue the parent`s of the one bullying their kid.

Very good idea.

 

[A friend]

Hmm, you shouldn't assume. I had a group of guys wanting to kill me when i was in school

That did not happen in my father's school (or any of the schools that his friends and co-workers went to).

What kind of educational area did you go to? Was this in a city with a high amount of violent crime?

i got jumped once and got kicked in the face a bunch of times, and they tried to jump me another time. The school found out about the first incident and talked to me about it, about 3 months afterwards, they didn't want to say anything at the time because Ofsted were in and they thought it wouldn't look good.

That's all they did? Talk to you about it? These people were really stupid beyond any possible description that I can think of at the moment.

Plus it all started when they picked on a friend of mine, my friend twatted one of they and got chased halfway across town, someone saw and called the police, the police said they couldn't do anything because they didn't catch him and kick his head in, and the school obviously did nothing. They started on me because i told them to f*** off when i saw them trying to intimidate him.

Excuse me if this sounds immature, but I honestly don't think those kids were human beings...It seems like your talking about apes, not people. Not even little children behave like that.

I have plenty of experience with this sort of thing, and i've learned that you have to rely on yourself. Schools care about grades, not the kids welfare or mental state.

Actually, you're right when it comes to this sort of thing (that's not the case for all schools though). I don't know about all of the states' educational systems, but most of them care for grades and money, not the students.

If one were to gain money, being a teacher (principal, councilor, etc) wouldn't be a good place to look, but many people still apply for this sort of job, and work for the public schools around the country.

However, many people that work for schools are gravely underpaid, therefore, putting effort into enforcing the rules adds to their stress about money.

But despite this, there are a lot of schools that focus on keeping the kids safe, so this anti-bullying law is not a useless gesture.

 

[A friend]

What state was your school in? I didn't hear, read, or see anything like this happen in most schools that I can find in any websites, even if I google it.

 

[Rembrandt Broam]

The situations that Tino has described seem rather extreme, and I certainly don't agree that kids should have to just deal with that themselves. If something like that happened in the adult world, most people would involve the police and you'd hope that prosecutions would follow. The same should apply in schools. If you assault someone, or threaten them with assault, you should be dealt with by the law, whether you're in school or not.

 

[A friend]

Yes, it sounds like his school was a semi-mild American formation of the middle east.

 

[userremoved]

I'm repressed, and when I do get angry, it's difficult to control because I was always alone and I could never say anything back to these people.Now, I go overboard.

Yeah that was a side effect I got from all the BS through school too. I had a very short temper, took everything as a slight and was prone to fits of rage. Not something Im proud of but fortunately I've gotten self control over the last five years.

Hmm, you shouldn't assume. I had a group of guys wanting to kill me when i was in school, i got jumped once and got kicked in the face a bunch of times, and they tried to jump me another time. The school found out about the first incident and talked to me about it, about 3 months afterwards, they didn't want to say anything at the time because Ofsted were in and they thought it wouldn't look good. Plus it all started when they picked on a friend of mine, my friend twatted one of they and got chased halfway across town, someone saw and called the police, the police said they couldn't do anything because they didn't catch him and kick his head in, and the school obviously did nothing. They started on me because i told them to f*** off when i saw them trying to intimidate him.

I have plenty of experience with this sort of thing, and i've learned that you have to rely on yourself. Schools care about grades, not the kids welfare or mental state.

In a way I kinda agree with the fact that you do have to learn to stand up for yourself. Maybe more so in my situation. In yours the adults needed to get involved in that crap. I cant be having anyone bludgeoning my kids while they're trying to get their education. But as for just getting teased sometimes you do have to put people in their place before they'll leave you alone.

The situations that Tino has described seem rather extreme, and I certainly don't agree that kids should have to just deal with that themselves. If something like that happened in the adult world, most people would involve the police and you'd hope that prosecutions would follow. The same should apply in schools. If you assault someone, or threaten them with assault, you should be dealt with by the law, whether you're in school or not.

What he said lol

 

[Rembrandt Broam]

I agree that these things should be dealt with by the law, the kids that do these things tend not to care what their school has to say. But then here we have the issue of the British justice system....

Yeah. ::

It was interesting to see how quickly justice was dispensed to those people arrested during the recent riots. Why then does it usually seem to take so long for the courts to deal with criminals, and why are sentences often so inadequate? Now that they've demonstrated that suitable punishments can be handed out, and handed out swiftly, they shouldn't be allowed to backslide into their old ways. But of course they will.

 

[A friend]

It's in England. I don't know why you would find this stuff on google, school fights tend not to be news.

I have more examples anyway, a friend of mine got suckerpunched for apparently no reason while he was sitting down working in a lesson, all the teacher did was break up the fight, no punishments. I wish i had been there for that one.

I agree that these things should be dealt with by the law, the kids that do these things tend not to care what their school has to say. But then here we have the issue of the British justice system....

Whoops, sorry about that!

So that was in england? I don't know too much about that country, so now I understand your point of view a little more. Sorry about the misunderstanding...

 

[Kiwong]

Yep, that's exactly what he's saying.

Yep, I can read.

Children learning to deal with bullying is like a draconian backward nightmare from 19th century England.

Children are resilient and can cope with a lot, but bullying can be incessant. There's only so much figthing back you can do.

In the United States, most parents probably don't have the time or energy to help their children with this sort of thing, due to their jobs overworking them. I think a lot of them do not have the resources or knowledge needed to help their kids with this sort of thing, so this law is neccesary.

Well that's pretty hopeless parenting isn't it. An innacurate generalisation about parents and care of their children in my opinion. The law will fail without other strategies in place. The ones in my previous post might be a start.

 

[N0D]

umm...we (new jersey) are the most corrupt state in the country. this was nothing more then a publicity stunt / political propaganda. will have 0 effect on anything. nice try but F A I L Trenton.

Edit: on second thought it wasn't a nice try, it was a lame half-ass try that doesn't even deserve recognition.

 

[A friend]

How and why is that? Not to argue with you or anything, but that statement doesn't really have anything (examples and such) to support it at all.

 

[Solitudes_Grace]

The best way to combat bullying is to encourage and convince children to fight back. If a bully physically or verbally attacks you, you should simply punch the bully in the face. The problem will be solved; the bully will never bother your again. Most schools seem to erroneously tell kids to run away and tell an adult when they are bullied, which is a strategy that just does not work.

 

[A friend]

I don't think that will work...

Most of the time, bullies tend to be larger and physically stronger than their prey. Not only that, but when bullies get attacked by the ones that they're picking on, they tend to be the ones who rush to the teachers, and their victims are the ones who get in trouble.

 

[coyote]

In the United States, most parents probably don't have the time or energy to help their children with this sort of thing, due to their jobs overworking them. I think a lot of them do not have the resources or knowledge needed to help their kids with this sort of thing, so this law is neccesary.

i think that's only in michigan

 

[Agent_Violet]

The best way to combat bullying is to encourage and convince children to fight back. If a bully physically or verbally attacks you, you should simply punch the bully in the face. The problem will be solved; the bully will never bother your again. Most schools seem to erroneously tell kids to run away and tell an adult when they are bullied, which is a strategy that just does not work.

my son was getting bullied by a kid last year. he would "do the right thing" and tell a teacher about it. they don't do ANYTHING to protect these kids. It doesn't matter how many times a parent meets with the school to complain either. nothing stops it.

i finally told my son the next time that kid touches him, fight back. my son came home with a discipline note from the school the next day. he had pushed the bully and the bully fell on the ground and went crying to the teacher.

i went to the school and told them if they refuse to protect my child then my child needs to protect himself. they agreed and took back the discipline slip without my signature and threw it in the garbage where it belonged.

that bully leaves my son alone now.

 

[Bo592]

what do you mean by calling me a friendlessgirl?

 

[Bo592]

I am sorry I need to look over my writing a little better I thought you was calling me a friendlessgirl. I was thanking what a mean thing to say to someone. Yah I am not a good writer I have lot of thing I want to say but they keep going out wrong. I just thank partent have no power when dealing with this. But if the parent`s of the bully started getting money coming out of their pocket then they would care. I just want to make the world happy I may not have the best Ideas but I try to show what in my heart. maybe that well count for somthing someday.

 

[A friend]

i think that's only in michigan

Actually, that's how it is in California too (at least in the part where I live).

my son was getting bullied by a kid last year. he would "do the right thing" and tell a teacher about it. they don't do ANYTHING to protect these kids. It doesn't matter how many times a parent meets with the school to complain either. nothing stops it.

i finally told my son the next time that kid touches him, fight back. my son came home with a discipline note from the school the next day. he had pushed the bully and the bully fell on the ground and went crying to the teacher.

That's pathetic and very conniving. He picks on your kid, and then tried to get him in trouble. The bully tried to make your kid suffer when he didn't do anything wrong. What a ****ing little **** (sorry if I was being immature by saying that).

i went to the school and told them if they refuse to protect my child then my child needs to protect himself. they agreed and took back the discipline slip without my signature and threw it in the garbage where it belonged.

That slip isn't the only thing that belongs in the garbage.

that bully leaves my son alone now.

That's how it should have been from the start.

 

[WeirdyMcGee]

I started defending myself against bullies in grade 2.
The problem was that once I'd stand up for myself and beat up one bully- 3 more would come out of the woodwork and suddenly wanted to challenge me.
I didn't want to fight, so they'd bully me until I fought back against them- sometimes for years - then I'd be sick of them and would beat them into the ground... and then more would appear, magically.

It became about the challenge of beating me in a fight rather than leaving me the **** alone.
And I'm a girl, too.
Aren't boys told not to beat up girls?

The fighting stopped for the most part once I entered highschool but my reputation acted as a deterrent for shyer people who thought I was scary- so it was really hard making friends. Up until highschool, I had no friends.
I was still being bullied and put down for being poor, mainly.
It was alot more bullying from girls rather than boys at that point.
People still spread rumors about me and would whisper and laugh about me and things but it was mostly mental and not physical bullying. "mostly."
I decided that it wasn't going to stop if I 'stood up for myself' in the physical way and now I just ignore it.
I'm better than those people.
I'm not an *******.

 

[userremoved]

I fought back against them- sometimes for years - then I'd be sick of them and would beat them into the ground... and then more would appear, magically.

Weirdy, your childhood sounds like an old Double Dragon game