Social Anxiety is a Lie

mikebird

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I have a lot of pride, and occasionally bad times of low esteem and a lack of confidence, but the anger comes out when feeling oppressed by society when I've always meant well, but there's always someone better who gets the job, and everyone of my age is married with kids, and a nice car, and house.

Annoyance sprouts from people who think I need help. Psychologists gather to me as flies to turd.

I know I am the one who's teaching them. They haven't been in my shoes.

People who interview me for a job are always the first to truncate the meeting. I can smell their anxiety, wanting to run away, as humans do, from me. Too much assertiveness sets me back. Puppy dog I am not. Building my personal dislike of people on their luckiness, and rejection of me
 

Kiwong

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You are right, irrational thinking which contributes to anxiety, is based on the truth inside the lie.
 

Shenmue

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There's some truth to what PowerfulThought says. I was deceived into believing I wasn't good enough. But there is a part of me that doesn't want to let go of those negative emotions. I know that sounds slightly perverse, but I still feel somewhat perplexed by my failure to stand up for myself. I am still trying to understand where it all went wrong. No it's more than that. I still feel angry that I can't go back and change what they did to me. I guess I hold on to those emotions as a reminder to myself that I can't let that happen again. I paid a high price for my self preservation and I know I couldn't afford to go through it all again.
 

Newtype

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I don't think SA is a lie. I might have SA, but I've never believed that I was inferior to others in any way or not good enough for something. Nobody's made me believe anything because I've been pretty much alone this whole time.
 

psych

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There's some truth to what PowerfulThought says. I was deceived into believing I wasn't good enough. But there is a part of me that doesn't want to let go of those negative emotions. I know that sounds slightly perverse, but I still feel somewhat perplexed by my failure to stand up for myself. I am still trying to understand where it all went wrong. No it's more than that. I still feel angry that I can't go back and change what they did to me. I guess I hold on to those emotions as a reminder to myself that I can't let that happen again. I paid a high price for my self preservation and I know I couldn't afford to go through it all again.


I believe, in my case, if I hold on to defeatist notions... It supports my doing nothing... Gives me an emotional green light for hiding away in my apartment.
 

Nathália

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I wasnt aware chemical brain imbalances were lies:rolleyes:

It's not only environmental. I've had anxiety ever since I could remember remembering. Environment may have contributed to the fact, but I've always been on the extreme side. Other complications can also contribute to anxiety. I can also trace it in my genes, to the reason why I am more susceptible towards fear. An interesting thing. In the womb, I had a vanishing twin and there is science that proves that because that happened to me and 1 out of 8 people it can lead to other medical trauma.

I see the point that you're tying to make and I really do believe that it is true, that the human brain is a computer that we can train to alter our own perceptions with practice. Look at all the amazing things that science has put forward and the senses and abilities that we can teach ourselves and things that we can convince ourselves to believe. I think you're offending people by using the word lie because it gives the impression SA is not really there when it is. Also on the conclusions that people have it because they feel certain ways about themselves, to the reason why they have it.

Let's say it is environmental, why are we coming to the assumption that reason for having it has something to do with inferiority? Yes, a persons low self esteem may be a reasoning. Maybe it's your wording? I do think that this goes back to the whole resilience thing and emotional intelligence.
 

EscapeArtist

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I understand why some people are offended, although I suspect that the motivation behind this thread was purely for inspiration's sake
 

doubleM

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i look at it this way...people are judging you everyday and some are going to dislike you, thats the way it is. you might as well spit out exactly what you think and express what you really feel without fear of judgment. lies are powerful things.
 
It's not only environmental. I've had anxiety ever since I could remember remembering. Environment may have contributed to the fact, but I've always been on the extreme side. Other complications can also contribute to anxiety. I can also trace it in my genes, to the reason why I am more susceptible towards fear. An interesting thing. In the womb, I had a vanishing twin and there is science that proves that because that happened to me and 1 out of 8 people it can lead to other medical trauma.

I see the point that you're tying to make and I really do believe that it is true, that the human brain is a computer that we can train to alter our own perceptions with practice. Look at all the amazing things that science has put forward and the senses and abilities that we can teach ourselves and things that we can convince ourselves to believe. I think you're offending people by using the word lie because it gives the impression SA is not really there when it is. Also on the conclusions that people have it because they feel certain ways about themselves, to the reason why they have it.

Let's say it is environmental, why are we coming to the assumption that reason for having it has something to do with inferiority? Yes, a persons low self esteem may be a reasoning. Maybe it's your wording? I do think that this goes back to the whole resilience thing and emotional intelligence.

Yeah, I've had SA since I was a very young child. So what, did I believe back then that I was inferior? I don't think so. I WAS abused a bit physically but I have no recollection of it. Doesn't mean it didn't affect me in the long run - it may very well have. But after I got out of that situation I wasn't abused or put down. I was just always very insecure emotionally. It seems to run in my family too on both my mother and father's side, so I think it's genetic, which means that - wow, revelation :p - it's mostly in the wiring of my brain. Which makes perfect sense to me. Not because of some beliefs about myself and blah blah blah. What I think is (and I could be wrong of course) that the fear makes me believe certain things, not vice versa. I honestly think I was born with a slightly different brain from the majority of people, at least as far as my amygdala goes (maybe some other areas too, I don't know).
 

Meggy0001

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I have tried to change the way I see life and myself to belive that this can be easily stopped but the truth is it wont go no matter how much I empower myself with the truth because I have tried and it has only ever made me even more sad as it shows that I am stuck with this
 

powerfulthoughts

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I understand why some people are offended, although I suspect that the motivation behind this thread was purely for inspiration's sake

You're right, EscapeArtist. I was not intending to offend anyone at all.

But I do feel like there are many people who want to believe that they are born with this disorder, that it is purely chemical, genetic and unchangeable. I actually very much understand that perspective, since trying and failing so many times tends to draw one to that view.

But, fear of social interaction is not a genetic trait. Newborns are only born with two fears: falling and loud noises. The rest is environmental, starting from birth. I have had SA since a young child as well. I can remember going to kidergarten and feeling so afraid and isolated from the other children. But the most critical years of a child's brain formation and patterning is actually from birth to 5 years old. These years are the formative stages of the way a child sees his self. Usually we will not remember any of this time period.

I understand that many may be more senstive and susceptible to anxiety though; in fact I think I am. But that doesn't discount the fact that lack of building a child's social identity and confidence will inevitably lead to a fearful child. If a child is surrounded with positive, affirming information about who they are, along with a strong effort of socializing their children with positive messages, then they will succeed.

Now, I am not discounting that other disorders, such as aspergers syndrome for example, may lead to an inability to properly understand social signals, therefore causing an inevitable shyness and uncertainty about their abilities. Lack of a 'theory of mind' is definitely a struggle that is beyond one's own power to fix.

I also wanted to mention something about the word 'lie' and why some people don't like it. I think I understand that being told that your feelings are a lie can be offensive. However, what I was merely and innocuously trying to say, was that we have some wrong messages in our head that need to be changed. And the wrong messages are a result of some false information that our brains decided was true, for some reason or another. I happen to believe those false messages are a result of early childhood environment, and the wrong messages being instilled. I wasn't saying that what you are feeling is a lie, only that the reason you act and fear as you do, is a result of a lie. That is a true statement. In fact, the very description for SA universally states that the fear is 'irrational.'

The strong language was only to hammer the idea in, that false ideas do not have to guide your life if you are willing to start creating a reality for yourself that is based on a new premise. One that says you are a leader of your self, that you are innately and unchangeably good, one that says you must love yourself before you can love and share with others. Perspectives CAN be changed, although it takes a long time to actually start believing, deep down, that these new ideas about you are really true.

I brought up inferiority because more often than not, this goes hand in hand with SA. Though it may not exclusively be the case, I believe that it is a strong factor. The reason for the social fear is a sense that something about you isn't good enough... and that is almost universally a descriptor that comes up when learning about SA. But I know that may not always be the case.

I think SA is a very unique and different experience for everyone though, so I understand the varied reactions.
 

Richey

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Its hugely environmental in my opinion. If you grow up in a family or with people who are cold towards each other then you don't learn good interaction skills. Isn't it obvious that when you see a group of brothers and sisters and they are always talking, they practice it everyday. That comes down to what? Environment. Their parents are probably easy going and not overly condescending/restrictive or whatever it is, maybe its also a bit of inherited personality helping the cause.

Then if you go to high school/college and you feel miserable/bullied every day. Imagine the difference between that and being in a class with a cool group of people that are nice. I am betting your experience is going to be way better.

Then there is the suburb/house you live, is it a happy/bright place or a gloomy/dark place to live??

The next question is did or didn't you have any great mentors to give you advice, were the people around you positive or negative all the time? This has an impact because it is your influence.

Have you had alot of things go wrong? Why does it happen to you and not other people as much, there is something behind all of that which makes people behave a certain way.

Are you self conscious? Meaning you are always scanning to see what everyone else is thinking which ruins your focus to speak coherently? That is another problem.

Then there are things like, feeling empty because you feel you may not be talented, alot of people feel dumb and lost, then they think about the people that are doing everything right and its not a nice feeling. What makes them so special? Why did they get all the breaks?

Also there is no doubt that if you fair better physically or with looks then that gives you boosted confidence to begin with, it gives people a swagger and often they are praised for it in various ways. People who feel ugly often have avoidance issues.

SA is more complicated then just saying "It's a lie", if it was a lie then it wouldn't exist. It is an extension of low confidence, sometimes low self esteem, shyness. Feeling as if you are invisible and alot more then that.
 
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mikebird

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You are right, irrational thinking which contributes to anxiety, is based on the truth inside the lie.

Yep!

Especially when clutching at straws for help from friends, family, and sometimes professionals (who I have little respect for, who think they're clever by 'helping people') to regain confidence.

Events and thoughts make me have a good day, and portray myself as I used to be. Contribution to status quo comes from any source, making an erratic peak & trough lifecycle
 

Minty

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The belief that someone is inferior may be a lie, but social anxiety is a consequence and not the lie itself. There are so many people who believe themselves to be inferior and never experience SA, ever. Their self-perceived inferiority may express itself in different ways.

So it's not enough to say that SA is an illusion for it to go away. It's deeper than that.
 

MrSunday

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I have a lot of pride, and occasionally bad times of low esteem and a lack of confidence, but the anger comes out when feeling oppressed by society when I've always meant well, but there's always someone better who gets the job, and everyone of my age is married with kids, and a nice car, and house.

It is best not to compare yourself. Focus on things you have achieved in life and work on them.
 

Invisibleman

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Lol I dont "believe" its chemical, its science. Am I going to believe my therapist with the masters from the university of Berlin or this armchair psychology?
 
If a child is surrounded with positive, affirming information about who they are, along with a strong effort of socializing their children with positive messages, then they will succeed.

Not true at all. Plenty of children who were raised in a nice, stable home with loving, nurturing parents still have social anxiety. I have seen it many times. In fact, in a psych course I took we discussed how children can grow up in very good households and still have problems.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that once my family got out of the detrimental situation we were in, I had a very loving and supportive mother and family friends. The school I went to was very supportive as well. We tried numerous things to help me to socialize better. They all pretty much failed. So if they had just tried a LITTLE HARDER, I wouldn't have social anxiety right now? I doubt it.

Something that supports your argument, though - my own mother didn't have SA as a child. She developed it as a teenager, around the time she started becoming depressed and feeling terrible about herself and withdrawn. She's had it ever since.

On the other hand, some people have SA in their childhood and then grow out of it. I know a few people like this.

Perhaps it CAN be genetic, but isn't always - like depression.

Perhaps it is sometimes caused by underlying subconscious beliefs about ourselves and others, and once those beliefs are somehow changed, even if the person didn't consciously try to change them (going back to the people who grew out of their SA in young adulthood), they are free of it.

I think there is still too much we don't know about it. It's mostly trial and error, and for many of us it's been mostly errors. That explains the frustration. For some I don't think it's a matter of not trying hard enough. I think it's that we don't know enough about it and so are trying the wrong things.

Or perhaps it can't always be beat. I'd be willing to believe that some people are stuck with it for life, no matter what we learn about it.
 
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