My two conflicting views on life

[cosmosis]

You are an atheist Cosmosis? I wouldn´t say my belief is sentimental and I am certainly not a sentimental person. But I think I am deeply emphatical. Certainly no monster without emotions, even though I was diagnosed with asperger. But I think not all aspergers are emotionless monsters, many of them have on the contrary too much empathy - only perhaps don´t know how to express it in the right manner or are confused and overwhelmed by their emotions. That´s what I´ve read in one book and by me I think it´s true.

Yeah for sure. I consider myself having Asperger's and I feel incredible empathy towards people, but at the same time feel disconnected from them. Strange how that works. It's like I could die for someone I cared dearly about, but can't fully connect or enjoy my time with them. I've always felt disconnected to religion as well. I think religion, in part, is spread through social means and connections. Sweet talking never works with me, just like telling me to believe something blindly doesn't work.

 

[cosmosis]

And I'd go a step farther and say it's highly improbable. Complex things, such as intelligence, come into being after a slow, steady progression such as evolution. It's absurd to claim that intelligence came BEFORE the universe.

Yeah no argument from me. Logically everything is getting more complex as time goes on so it is much more logical for the first cause to be something extremely simple and not a complex idea or being. It doesn't make sense to put something complex there at the beginning in order to make more sense of everything. But who knows, perhaps there is some universal thought or idea. Maybe it's very simple, maybe its something we have no idea of. But I guess it ultimately doesn't matter because its incredibly likely it will never impact us one way or another.

 

[Doomed2Die]

What's deeper:

(a)a relationship with an imaginary friend, or
(b)a REAL friendship?

(a)praising an imaginary father figure, or
(b)the REAL bond between a father and his son

Personally I choose reality.

Haha! I can take a hint. As parting words I'll say you should know that, the theories of man do not linger, and are quick to be replaced by another. And that some of the greatest scientists believed in a creator, even if it was simple acknowledgement of intelligent creation.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." You could say.

I think religion, in part, is spread through social means and connections. Sweet talking never works with me, just like telling me to believe something blindly doesn't work.

Yeah, Aspergers is like that. You need know something inside and out to have any value for it.

 

[cosmosis]

But to continue a previous question, animals do not have free will, they can act uniquely based on situations and intelligence, but a bear is not going to get up and wonder why on earth is it alive and question the purpose or cause of it. Or say, help another bear for any reason other than personal survival.

Okay watch this clip and tell me how that dog was doing that for his own personal survival.

YouTube - Dog saves Dog

It's disingenuous and somewhat arrogant to think that humans are in any way morally superior to animals. The only difference is we have a bigger frontal lopes with which to argue amongst ourselves on internet forums Watch some films on chimpanzee's and you will realize how silly it is to try to believe humans are any different.

 

[SickJoke]

Haha! I can take a hint. As parting words I'll say you should know that, the theories of man do not linger, and are quick to be replaced by another.

Science is open to evidence while religion clings to ancient myths.

And that some of the greatest scientists believed in a creator, even if it was simple acknowledgement of intelligent creation.

And some of the greatest scientists DON'T believe in a creator. Their personal beliefs are irrelevant. What matters is that their scientific discoveries did NOT provide any evidence for the existence of such a creator.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." You could say.

Scientific progress is hindered by religion, just take stem cell research as an example. Religion loses ground with every major scientific discovery, just take evolution as an example. How long before the world wakes up and shrugs off these ancient fairy tales, these delusions? Oh well...

Tell em George
YouTube - George Carlin - Religion is bullshit.

 

[Doomed2Die]

Finally broke down on the facade then it seems SickJoke? Good on you.

Their personal beliefs are irrelevant. What matters is that their scientific discoveries did NOT provide any evidence for the existence of such a creator.

Of course, because if they did that would be outside the boundries of science into matters of faith (something not unlike science).

Things really are not so black and white though. Religion is not the same as intelligent creation, neither do the many differering and bickering theories of science work as one.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." was a quote from Einstein I believe.

 

[Noca]

CBT exposure therapy can make permanent changes in the way you think anxiety wise. However the Cognition part is really hard to make work in my opinion.

 

[SickJoke]

Finally broke down on the facade then it seems SickJoke? Good on you.

What do you mean?

Of course, because if they did that would be outside the boundries of science into matters of faith (something not unlike science).

Well isn't that just too convenient for religion? It's impossible to find evidence for such a creator, so therefore you take it on faith that he exists? Why? Because you read it in some ancient book of fairy tales, or, more likely, you learned it from some other loony.

Things really are not so black and white though. Religion is not the same as intelligent creation, neither do the many differering and bickering theories of science work as one.

Scientific theories are in perfect harmony with each other. They certainly do work together as one. In order for a hypothesis to become a scientific theory it has to face the utmost scrutiny. Religion, on the other hand, has free reign to make any bullshit claims that it likes.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." was a quote from Einstein I believe.

Einstein often used the word "God" as a metaphor for the wonders of the universe. It's not surprising that creationists are quick to jump at the word "God" and claim that he was a deist, or even a theist. Science was Einstein's religion. At best, he was a pantheist who identified "God" as the laws of nature themselves.

 

[SickJoke]

I watched the George Carlin video (i think some of his stuff is funny), and he was just using common rants against Christianity that have been used for ages. Anyone can set up an argument in a way that seems absurd and then knock it down. I can do the same against evolution (fish-to-philosopher!) It's called a straw man argument. When respect is given to all sides, then debate becomes much more productive.

The difference is that fundamentalists actually believe everything Carlin was ranting about. And conservatives just pick and choose from the fundamentalists. The conservative view is just a watered-down, easier-to-swallow version of the fundamentalist view.

 

[Remus]

This has gone off on some heated religious debate, shall I move it out of the depression forum? Or will it go back on topic?

If you are going to debate, please show respect for others opinions

 

[SickJoke]

This has gone off on some heated religious debate, shall I move it out of the depression forum? Or will it go back on topic?

If you are going to debate, please show respect for others opinions

Well it is depressing to me that people still believe this nonsense...::

 

[Remus]

To them it isnt nonsense.

I am not religious either but I respect peoples faith

lets chill people

 

[Noca]

That's very illogical. Where science fails, and in my opinion will always fail to explain, is the beginning of life. It's impossible for "something" to come into being out of "nothing". Nothing does not and can not become something. I can't prove to you that the creator was God (although I'm a strong believer), and I will never be able to do so. But science will also never be able to explain the beginning of life.

Just as Christianity cant explain the beginning of God.

 

[SickJoke]

To them it isnt nonsense.

I am not religious either but I respect peoples faith

lets chill people

But why should faith be respected? When we give it respect, we also give it a sense of credibility. And as long as religion is seen as credible, it will never go away. And with technology and population increasing, many people see a big problem here. Blind faith + weapons of mass destruction = bad news. There's an atheist movement happening, and a lot of us think it's time for religion to start being criticized for what it is: it's a scientific claim about the origin of the universe, based on no evidence whatsoever.

 

[Doomed2Die]

What do you mean?

It was clear from the beginning you did not want to debate, rather fuel for some argument or attack.

Looking forward to the movement though, and not in the cocky sense by all means. The death of religion has begun a fairly long time ago.

 

[SickJoke]

It was clear from the beginning you did not want to debate, rather fuel for some argument or attack.

My mind is wide open to any evidence you can provide for a debate.

Looking forward to the movement though, and not in the cocky sense by all means. The death of religion has begun a fairly long time ago.

It's already started . Just google/youtube Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett. It's fascinating stuff really.

 

[Nervous]

My mind is wide open to any evidence you can provide for a debate.



It's already started . Just google/youtube Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Dennett. It's fascinating stuff really.

Yes, fascinating. You can't prove God exists blah blah blah. There, I've summed up all their books.

 

[Argamemnon]

Looking forward to the movement though, and not in the cocky sense by all means. The death of religion has begun a fairly long time ago.

The death of religion? The number of religious people is not declining as far as I know. Personally, I don't think either religion or atheism will ever die. The question is can they peacefully coexist? If people stopped imposing their views on each other, the world would be a much better place. I know this is utopic.

 

[SickJoke]

Yes, fascinating. You can't prove God exists blah blah blah. There, I've summed up all their books.

Not even close .

 

[Doomed2Die]

The death of religion? The number of religious people is not declining as far as I know. Personally, I don't think either religion or atheism will ever die. The question is can they peacefully coexist? If people stopped imposing their views on each other, the world would be a much better place. I know this is utopic.

Of organised religion sorry, it was not long ago saying anything against a certain church and god would mean a horrible death on a stake.