Is astrology effective in a person and is it 100% true?

FriendlyShadow

Well-known member
Does astrology really count for who you are and how you go on about your daily lives. What about compatibility. Some say Aquarius might match a Leo for example(since opposites attract I hear from others.) Now I'm an Aquarius, Most things about me are pretty accurate scarily(creative, shy nature, ect.) but will my compatibility be a Leo. I really wouldn't care nor I don't think I'd be interested dating a polar opposite. Or is this astrology generalizations to all people's personalities of their signs, I personally believe that these signs could involve toward anyone. Are these stereotypes that astrology believers are too focused in on. I'm not saying I despise anyone for what they want to believe, but I'm wondering that these could just be typical broad generlizations that these signs are trying to justify for all humans. I'm not really into astrology either, I didn't know it even existed. Is astrology true as people say, or just something fun to do in spare times.
 

Flanscho

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In my opinion, astrology is not true. Not in the slightest. A few people believe that it is true, but there is not the slightest evidence for it. And it doesn't make any sense either. I think that in the end, it's just a huge scam, where the desperate ones are ripped off.

Of course, if some people read their horoscope once in a while: why not? If it makes them happy. But if people pay for such stuff, then that is pretty sad, because you reward people, who's only job it is to scam others, with money, telling them "well done, continue".
 

Lea

Banned
You have to do proper relationship horoscope, which is called synastry, or a composite chart (there is some difference between the two). A good site for all kind of charts is astro.com. You have to learn a bit about astrology first, the planets etc., but if you are interested, you´ll get into it with time.

Synastry: Love and Relationship Astrology
 

squidgee

Well-known member
I don't think so. Whenever I read my horoscope, its usually completely irrelevant. The number of times when they do match my current situation or offer any relevant advice is really low and probably by coincidence.
 
Astrology is true
Yes.

However most "astrologers" out there don't do it properly, and are just wanting to eke out an income from it (and/or "scam" people for their money). What you see in the newspapers & general magazines, are usually not of the true/accurate/quality kind.

It takes a bit of looking for sure, to find the genuine, true stuff out there.
 

Flanscho

Well-known member
What I don't get about astrology is this. Compare it to religion. There is no evidence that a god exists (which is one of the reasons why I'm atheist), but you can't prove either that a god does not exist. You can come up with paradoxes, and countless reasons why it's unlikely that a god exists, but there can't be definite proof. So I understand that not everyone is an atheist.

With astrology however, it's different. Astrologists claim to be able to predict certain things, so it should be easy for them to prove they're right, right? However, each and every serious study and experiment about astrology came to one conclusion: it's fake, it doesn't work.

I mean, apart from the whole thing not being logical in any way, it should be able to easily produce a 100% proof THAT it is true. But they never did. All studies and experiments, as said, came to the same conclusion: doesn't work. It's like that reward that is out for decades: proof that you got any supernatural ability (like telepathy or telekinesis, predicting events with astrology or whatever), or that ghosts exist or anything other supernatural stuff, and you can go home with a few million dollars. So far, in those decades, not a single person got the money. Why?
a) the popular people having to do with supernatural stuff don't try to claim the prize. They say they don't want the money (how ridiculous, considering they do and sell all that stuff for money).
b) it just didn't work on that day, what for a coincidence
Ain't that proof enough? Billions of people over decades, not being able to fetch a prize of millions of dollars by just giving one good proof that their claims are true?




I guess there are many reasons why people still believe it. Some have had very difficult times in their lifes, and the only thing they have still left is the belief that things ain't random or whatever, but that they are just the victim of some celestial constallation (or something). Other people claim that they believe it, because they make money this way. And others again are simply believing the stuff so much, that they ignore all logic and evidence.

If people just read a horoscope and have their chuckle or smile: why not? Who cares. But if people make money by ripping off others by giving them false hope, because some planet is currently in one place or another, then that's just an evil scam.

I don't want to insult anyone, but just share my worries that so many people believe that astrology works.

If astrology works, a 100% proof for it is possible.
No such proof has ever been produced.
Any study and experiment came to the conclusion, that it doesn't work.

Why believe it?

I mean... I just went to youtube, clicked on some random astrology related video. Some guy asked "what are those for wonderful crystals in the background", and the guy replies that they are sacred geometrical healing tools and energy devices... When I read this nonsense it just makes me groan. Of course he also replied the link where you can buy them (it's all about scamming people for money!). It reminds me on a clip from a shopping TV show I once saw, where they were selling some sort of "energetic" plates. You could put your pots with plants on them to give your plants health. You could put a glass of water on such a plate and it would be healed. You could sit on your plate and it would cure your hemorrhoids... I mean come ooooooon... Seriously?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK3YRZaubSw
 
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Lea

Banned
I have looked up charts of people I know, or their synastry with me. I don´t know if it´s a coincidence, but for example there is one person I keep having a lot of arguments with from the start and we never seem to understand each other. Our synastry aspects seem to say the same - misunderstanings, conflicts, not getting each other. Same with one of my cousins. I have a quite ****ty chart with my father too, one of the aspects is mars opposition pluto, find out what it means, I think it sums it up pretty well.

I am not a person to claim I know everything about astrology is true, but not someone who ridicules it apriori, without knowing s*it about it either.

What I do is just being openminded and not draw conclusions, simply just observe and compare the findings. The problem is also that with many people I don´t know exact hour and minute of birth, so I can get with certainity only aspects between the planets, which during the day stay mostly the same (although there can be a slight difference in some of the aspects between moring and evening) but not the rest of things, like ascendant or planets in houses, vertex etc.
 

Nanita

Well-known member
There are things, phenomenons and methods that people believe in, without needing any goddamn proof. It´s called having an open mind. Which isn´t so bad.

Of course there are fake scamming astrologers who rip off people. Okay, that´s not cool.... But it´s the same in every other type of business - there are those to be trusted and those who shouldn´t be trusted. Just like there are banks you can trust, and banks you shouldn´t trust.

Then healing was mentioned too (of course healing was mentioned, why miss the opportunity to criticize yet another occult phenomenon) - Healing in all its various forms is being studied in all seriousness by scientists all over the world, showing posítive results, making it foolish to simply dismiss it as useless.
 

Flanscho

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There are things, phenomenons and methods that people believe in, without needing any goddamn proof. It´s called having an open mind. Which isn´t so bad.

I don't want to annoy you with my replies. But when I read in a discussion forum something I strongly agree or disagree with, then I like to share my opinion.

You are right. An open mind is a great thing. However, with that is meant that you are open to new ideas. That you don't immediately rule something new out, because, on the first glance, it seems unlikely.

For example, if someone says "hey, we discovered a rogue planet, flying out in space instead of rotating around a sun, and it still got an atmosphere instead of being frozen". A person without an open mind would say "impossible! How should that be? It makes no sense!". A person with an open mind would say "interesting. How did you find it? What might the cause be? Any idea? How much do you know"

An open mind refers to new ideas, and whether you dismiss them easily, or give them a chance.

Astrology is not new, however. It dosen't need a chance, because it's known since a long time. It also got lots of chances already, and it failed each time. It doesn't just sound unlikely, it makes absolutely zero sense in each and every way, and there is zero proof that it works, but lots of proof that it does not work.

Of course you can still believe it, if you want to. People have the habit of believing in a deeper meaning or a deeper sense or something. That's natural. But it doesn't change the fact that you believe in something, which, according to all evidence, studies, experiments and logic, is nothing but a scam.
 

Lea

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You Flanscho give me your date/hour and place of birth, I´ll do your natal chart. Then feel free to comment on what a piece of crap it is.
 

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What I don't get about astrology is this. Compare it to religion. There is no evidence that a god exists (which is one of the reasons why I'm atheist), but you can't prove either that a god does not exist. You can come up with paradoxes, and countless reasons why it's unlikely that a god exists, but there can't be definite proof. So I understand that not everyone is an atheist
I mean... I just went to youtube, clicked on some random astrology related video. Some guy asked "what are those for wonderful crystals in the background", and the guy replies that they are sacred geometrical healing tools and energy devices... When I read this nonsense it just makes me groan. Of course he also replied the link where you can buy them (it's all about scamming people for money!). It reminds me on a clip from a shopping TV show I once saw, where they were selling some sort of "energetic" plates. You could put your pots with plants on them to give your plants health. You could put a glass of water on such a plate and it would be healed. You could sit on your plate and it would cure your hemorrhoids... I mean come ooooooon... Seriously?

My take on such things is that there is DEFINATELY some TRUTH behind all these various religious/new-age things. But mankind is still in it's "infancy", quite possibly having gone backwards in certain areas (eg spituality). We're getting really good at the technical/scientific stuff, but the emotional/spiritual is lagging WAY behind. Take for instance the human brain & mental health (psychiatry). We tend to know the WHAT & WHERE & maybe WHEN, but not the WHY or HOW.

To cut this short, humans are very complex, and so is the universe in which we live. "God" can't be explained, rationalized, not even visualized. Same goes for many of his "works". Hence maybe there can NEVER be any real "scientific" proof of god, crytals, energy devices, etc, etc.
So, concerning astrology, certain universal/eternal truths exist, but we as humans don't currently have the "tools" to make use of those truths. We haven't got the consciousness level to comprehend "god", we haven't yet got the "know-how" to apply astrology correctly. Most people indeed, have only a very cursory understanding of things such as those energy devices, and the sellers/marketers of such products have barely any more knowledge about them!. They know just enough, just a few tid-bits of the truth .. and the rest is up to us to try to fathom or understand, and we're not very good at that.

I'm going to stop there, for now, as i'm finding it hard to express the truth clearly. But for a human, i've probably explained it about as best as i can, lol
 

Plan9

Active member
If astrology works, a 100% proof for it is possible.

I don't believe in astology (though have an open mind and think it can be fun) but there are many things that there is not 100% proof for. Thats not really how science works, the element of doubt is often there.

I agree though that we do have to worry about people being scammed and ripped off, I think it happens a lot.
 
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Flanscho

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I don't believe in astology (though have an open mind and think it can be fun) but there are many things that there is not 100% proof for. Thats not really how science works, the element of doubt is often there.

If tenthousands or more astrologers on this planet are supposed to be able to predict stuff, then just let them do that. Have them predict ten thousand things, and if the huge majority turns out that way, then I'd be willing to look more closely into this subject. If they'd achieve that, there'd be no room for doubt on their skills and knowledge. However, so far, none of them was able to do that.
And with "predict stuff", I mean predictions more accurate than "it will first get warmer this year, then colder", or "something good will happen to you within the next decade", or "beware, someone might die or not some day".

Take for instance the human brain & mental health (psychiatry). We tend to know the WHAT & WHERE & maybe WHEN, but not the WHY or HOW.
Scientists learn each and every year more about the brain. A lot about the "why"s and "how"s have been solved. The brain is not the mysterious thing anymore, of which nobody knows how it works. Sure, there is still lots to learn, but there is progress made all the time.

T"God" can't be explained, rationalized, not even visualized. Same goes for many of his "works". Hence maybe there can NEVER be any real "scientific" proof of god, crytals, energy devices, etc, etc.
Other people can believe whatever they want, as long as they hurt others along the way, in my opinion. I think that "god" can not be proven because it does not exist.

My opinion is, that for all this stuff (crystals, deities, energy devices, alternate planes, spiritual stuff, ghosts and so on), is no evidence, no proof, no logical theory, no need. There is just nothing that supports any of this stuff. And the reason for that is not that we don't know enough to prove it, but rather that there is just nothing to prove.

Most of these things are remnants from times where people didn't really know what was going on. So they thought about the reasons why some things were like this or like that, and then came up with, sometimes crazy, explanations.

They didn't know why an earthquake or tsunami happened, so it was an angry god taking it out on the people. They didn't know where this solar eclipse came from, so it was a sign of doom. In short: they just made up lots of random stuff, much of it was wrong, simply because the people had not the knowledge we have now. Not that we know now everything, but we know much much more than the people back then.

And all this esoteric and religious stuff is, in my opinion, just the remnants from the times where people simply had no clue about anything. Now we have a clue, but certain people stick to these remnants for one reason or another. Some because they want a reason where is none. Others because they look for a certain purpose in their life, which they believe they can't find otherswise. And others, because it's a good way to scam others and make money.
 

Lea

Banned
My take on such things is that there is DEFINATELY some TRUTH behind all these various religious/new-age things. But mankind is still in it's "infancy", quite possibly having gone backwards in certain areas (eg spituality). We're getting really good at the technical/scientific stuff, but the emotional/spiritual is lagging WAY behind. Take for instance the human brain & mental health (psychiatry). We tend to know the WHAT & WHERE & maybe WHEN, but not the WHY or HOW.

To cut this short, humans are very complex, and so is the universe in which we live. "God" can't be explained, rationalized, not even visualized. Same goes for many of his "works". Hence maybe there can NEVER be any real "scientific" proof of god, crytals, energy devices, etc, etc.
So, concerning astrology, certain universal/eternal truths exist, but we as humans don't currently have the "tools" to make use of those truths. We haven't got the consciousness level to comprehend "god", we haven't yet got the "know-how" to apply astrology correctly. Most people indeed, have only a very cursory understanding of things such as those energy devices, and the sellers/marketers of such products have barely any more knowledge about them!. They know just enough, just a few tid-bits of the truth .. and the rest is up to us to try to fathom or understand, and we're not very good at that.

I'm going to stop there, for now, as i'm finding it hard to express the truth clearly. But for a human, i've probably explained it about as best as i can, lol

Well said, thanks for that.

@Flanscho I can´t help finding your arguments primitive, saying that people believe in supernatural things because it is remnants from past ages when they couldn´t explain certain occurences otherwise etc. I was similar to you when I was about 15 or 16, thinking people are so stupid believing in God, because obviously there is none, believing in God was for me something like believing in Santa Claus. But then I kept reading books and realized it is not so simple at all...

Btw do you want me to do your natal chart, I am doing now one for NathanielWingatePeaslee who asked me to because he is curious :D.
 
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