Apotheosis
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if only...
Hate Capitalism!
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if only...
nafadda
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and how many people have FORD Corp employed over the years.????How many people had food on the table because Ford paid them and how many benifits did the employes receive?..hmmmmm??? I wonder.Yep I wonder just how better off those families would have been if they had not got a job working at Ford,not to mention how many of their kids wouldn't have been able to attend college.
I think that's pretty much AWAKE!
I'll stick with my ALL Capitalisim is NOT a BAD thing.It may be a "trendy' thing now a days to say it is bad,BUT it's just not so.
to worry about how much everyone else is making just doesn't make much sense to me .Many a person worked many years at ford and retired and had VERY good lives,Why would they care how much a bank made when they were able to live a good life and support a family because of the job they had the opportunity to get because of one of those vial ,evil ,capitalistic corporations?? they prob don't.
nafadda
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BTW..I just LOVE a good debate..it does a mind good
i decided to add a soundtrack too,just posted this on another post and it sounded so good thought i'd add it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Y4s7WbM3c
i decided to add a soundtrack too,just posted this on another post and it sounded so good thought i'd add it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Y4s7WbM3c
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This isn't capitalism any more, capitalism was a force for betterment, this isn't about the small businessman making a decent living and employing a few local people (like I did once upon a time), or the factory owner passing down the business down the generations, with pride in his products and devoted workforce. This is about corporatism and crony-ism, mass closing down of factories in the west to open slave shops in the east to make the one percent even richer, slimy bank deals, golden handshake, filthy bonuses, price fixing, tax evasion, bribery and corruption.
The world now has the internet, we are all talking to each other, we are all getting sick of it. Time for change.
The world now has the internet, we are all talking to each other, we are all getting sick of it. Time for change.
Ford have outsourced most of their production now along with other motor corps, Henry is probably spinning in his grave.
Shocking!
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nafadda
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Ford has NOT received federal aid(AKA bailout money) compared to the $17.4 billion in federal loans provided to General Motor and Chrysler .
Ford is the second largest automaker in the U.S. and the fifth-largest in the world based on annual vehicle sales in 2010. At the end of 2010, Ford was the fifth largest automaker in Europe. Ford is the eighth-ranked overall American-based company in the 2010 Fortune 500 list, based on global revenues in 2009 of $118.3 billion. In 2008, Ford produced 5.532 million automobiles and employed about 213,000 employees at around 90 plants and facilities worldwide. During the automotive crisis Ford's worldwide unit volume dropped to 4.817 million in 2009. In 2010, Ford earned a net profit of $6.6 billion and reduced its debt from $33.6 billion to $14.5 billion lowering interest payments by $1 billion following its 2009 net profit of $2.7 billion. Starting in 2007, Ford received more initial quality survey awards from J. D. Power and Associates than any other automaker. Five of Ford's vehicles ranked at the top of their categories and fourteen vehicles ranked in the top three.
So if we want to just take away all big companies and say they are ALL evil,then we could also see a lot of jobs disappear ,and forget all the jobs they gave and give people. And when people are starving and have no jobs at all ,well we can sit back and see how that goes.
Because of Unions many companies had to outsource jobs,,Sad but true.People feel entitled to many things now a days that are no longer feasible as they may have been at one time. We can either get mad about it and do nothing but complain or we can do something about it besides "occupy" wall street.
There will always be richer people,big corporations and people that do well ,yes even some of the workers .As I said,MANY a person has made a decent living working for large companies.They bought homes and cars and put the kids through college with some of the jobs.It was the American way for many a years but those ethics have fallen by the way side.
I may disagree with much of what someone says,but I will defend their right to say it.That is is what makes us individuals with our own power of thoughts and what we may or may NOT believe in.We may all be getting sick of things,but not ALL of us are getting sick of the same exact things
Ford is the second largest automaker in the U.S. and the fifth-largest in the world based on annual vehicle sales in 2010. At the end of 2010, Ford was the fifth largest automaker in Europe. Ford is the eighth-ranked overall American-based company in the 2010 Fortune 500 list, based on global revenues in 2009 of $118.3 billion. In 2008, Ford produced 5.532 million automobiles and employed about 213,000 employees at around 90 plants and facilities worldwide. During the automotive crisis Ford's worldwide unit volume dropped to 4.817 million in 2009. In 2010, Ford earned a net profit of $6.6 billion and reduced its debt from $33.6 billion to $14.5 billion lowering interest payments by $1 billion following its 2009 net profit of $2.7 billion. Starting in 2007, Ford received more initial quality survey awards from J. D. Power and Associates than any other automaker. Five of Ford's vehicles ranked at the top of their categories and fourteen vehicles ranked in the top three.
So if we want to just take away all big companies and say they are ALL evil,then we could also see a lot of jobs disappear ,and forget all the jobs they gave and give people. And when people are starving and have no jobs at all ,well we can sit back and see how that goes.
Because of Unions many companies had to outsource jobs,,Sad but true.People feel entitled to many things now a days that are no longer feasible as they may have been at one time. We can either get mad about it and do nothing but complain or we can do something about it besides "occupy" wall street.
There will always be richer people,big corporations and people that do well ,yes even some of the workers .As I said,MANY a person has made a decent living working for large companies.They bought homes and cars and put the kids through college with some of the jobs.It was the American way for many a years but those ethics have fallen by the way side.
I may disagree with much of what someone says,but I will defend their right to say it.That is is what makes us individuals with our own power of thoughts and what we may or may NOT believe in.We may all be getting sick of things,but not ALL of us are getting sick of the same exact things
nafadda
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think it's called "kleptoism" hehehe
drives a Pontiac here
and BTW..I want to thank the OP for putting such a good debatable post up.i have so enjoyed it
MrJones
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philly2bits
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The biggest problem is that no one really knows what capitalism is. Sure it's easy to rail against a strawman argument of what it really is, but that's far from understanding the truth.
Do you want to know how I make a living? I sell scrap metal. I go around, looking for people that have thrown metal objects away and I pick it up and store it. When I have enough of it, I take it to a place that is willing to buy it form me. That is capitalism. That's it. add all other crap to it, be it government involvement or taxes or what have you, at the end of the day Capitalism is someone selling something to someone else who wants it. All else is soapboxing.
Do you want to know how I make a living? I sell scrap metal. I go around, looking for people that have thrown metal objects away and I pick it up and store it. When I have enough of it, I take it to a place that is willing to buy it form me. That is capitalism. That's it. add all other crap to it, be it government involvement or taxes or what have you, at the end of the day Capitalism is someone selling something to someone else who wants it. All else is soapboxing.
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I've been taught that this was 'The American way':
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I hope it returns.
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