Ever have group situations where..

gustavofring

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Like, sitting around a table with people, and you're trying to come in to the conversation and start telling something, but immediately people lose their attention or start talking to someone else? Or you can't get get through at all? God I hate that.

I wonder why this happens to me. Maybe some people see me as a timid, unconfident, uninteresting person who is not worth listening to, or maybe my voice is too low and soft. I don't know.
 
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gustavofring

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It's frustrating and always leaves me with a bad feeling. "Could have done this, should have said that" etc. I feel like I cannot really blossom within certain groups as a person, and I feel not taken seriously.
 

Koime

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Yeah I get that too, and if I try to give some input to something somehow only the thing that I said was uninteresting, and they just act like I said nothing and move on. It leaves me with a bad feeling too, and makes me just want to avoid being in the situation, along with a lot of other things that make me want to avoid situations like that.
 

jaim38

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In these kind of situations, I don't know how to chime in. I listen to people talk but I just don't know how to join the conversation and share my thoughts. I worry about talking gibberish/being incoherent in what I say. So I plan out what I want to say before i say it. But usually, when I'm done planning, people already moved on to another topic and it's too late for me.

Also, sometimes people can't hear what I'm saying. Several times, I was sitting in a circle with many other people but when I speak, some people just can't hear me. They ask me to repeat what I was say and it's embarassing. Maybe it's because of my accent or whatever, but I really don't like hanging around large groups.
 

kelskellian

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I get ignored too,but its okay cuz whatever u have to say is probably more that the person who always like to run their mouth
 

miserablecow

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In these kind of situations, I don't know how to chime in. I listen to people talk but I just don't know how to join the conversation and share my thoughts. I worry about talking gibberish/being incoherent in what I say. So I plan out what I want to say before i say it. But usually, when I'm done planning, people already moved on to another topic and it's too late for me.

Also, sometimes people can't hear what I'm saying. Several times, I was sitting in a circle with many other people but when I speak, some people just can't hear me. They ask me to repeat what I was say and it's embarassing. Maybe it's because of my accent or whatever, but I really don't like hanging around large groups.

It happens to me all the time...Lately, I've been joining social groups and attend the events.
I find it hard to be heard with all these talkative people (many who know each other), so I tend to stay quiet and listen (though I generally am), but try and speak up when I have something to say. As a result, I come home without achieving any of the goals I set out for myself, before the meet.
 

Eric28887

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For some reason in the social situations it's as if there is a break in the connection between mind and mouth. If there is something I can think of to say it always seem to be 5 minutes to late anyways.
 

Ispoke

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First of all it's nothing personal, group habits are kind of harsh always - which is why you first of all shoudn't take it too personal. The reason we don't like "larger groups" is that the care and sensitivity for individuals gets lower in groups, all empathsis is on the common entertainment aspect of what's being said. No one wants to hear about my emotions or something personal/internal when I'm at christmas dinner at work.... So I tend to shut up. And then I start thinking... And here we go... And after 10 min. not a single movement or thing I say is non-reflected and I'm in hell.. The only way to break this is to forget my paradoxal "problem" by talking and "being part".

Forget yourself, just say whatever comes to your mind. People don't take things as serious as we do, they don't even see the "insult" that you saw, and those who did are ALSO a bit too sensitive for these social situations. Most just notice or register it, but it doesn't have en emotional consequence for anybody but you. And in their head, you weren't mocked or shut off. The hard fact is that there's a switch in these situations where you're not supposed to be as emotional as you are, it shouldn't matter as much as we think. Yes you got interrupted, so what? Someone made a mistake, and it wasn't about you. Try again. And again. If people keep on doing this, then perhaps you should ask the person you know best, why the **** people kept interrupting you and what you did wrong. It's obvious that if you talk like you really don't give a **** about what you're saying, then people with an upcoming story on their tongue might interrupt.

I'm sooo used to what you're saying... But don't take it so seriously...
 

Ispoke

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In these kind of situations, I don't know how to chime in. I listen to people talk but I just don't know how to join the conversation and share my thoughts. I worry about talking gibberish/being incoherent in what I say. So I plan out what I want to say before i say it. But usually, when I'm done planning, people already moved on to another topic and it's too late for me.

Also, sometimes people can't hear what I'm saying. Several times, I was sitting in a circle with many other people but when I speak, some people just can't hear me. They ask me to repeat what I was say and it's embarassing. Maybe it's because of my accent or whatever, but I really don't like hanging around large groups.

Same here. But people are more tolerant to gibberish/incoherence than silence, and the strangeness evaporates when you've manifested yourself in the situation. The worst is staying quiet, and let your mind reign. In social situations we HAVE to accept that we're supposed to be social. We can't enjoy being silent because "hello HEAD". The only way we can overcome this is by taking chances constantly and say "gibberish" and after a while it might actually create space for some intuitive thoughts being projected into the conversation, rather than just analytical masturbation in our skulls. No doubt about it, our corpus IS in the room with other people, so that's where our mind should be (again: IF we want to enjoy the situation just a bit).
 

gustavofring

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First of all it's nothing personal, group habits are kind of harsh always - which is why you first of all shoudn't take it too personal. The reason we don't like "larger groups" is that the care and sensitivity for individuals gets lower in groups, all empathsis is on the common entertainment aspect of what's being said.

Yeah true. All the niceness and subtleness of conversations 1 on 1 disappears in groups. There's a sort of nervous energy. People who are normally a bit more nice and subtle turn a bit more careless and the unspoken social hierarchy becomes more apparent. It becomes very clear who is or isn't a respected member. I guess there's nothing to do but adapt a bit to it and stop taking it seriously indeed. To be fair I've been on both sides of this spectrum. I've also experienced the sort of feeling towards someone in a group that didn't really fit in there, didn't have much to add and was just a general nuisance to the group atmosphere. It's harsh but sometimes people just DON'T fit in. We still have that horrible ape-instinct of hierarchy and being cruel to those who aren't part of the clique. This becomes very apparent in groups.

It's not like I totally can't function at all in social group activities, it's mostly with groups of people I haven't got much in common with, topics that don't interest me, or when the participants have big personalities (clever, fast replies, hard laughs) while I'm stuck faking my enjoyment of the conversation a bit and mostly stuck in my head. It becomes a very strained effort, a stiffness, freezing up. It may also be because I have some trouble hearing with one ear.

With friends I don't really have this problem, because with them there's no need to prove myself and I feel at ease, and don't mind joking around a bit.
 
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All the niceness and subtleness of conversations 1 on 1 disappears in groups. There's a sort of nervous energy. People who are normally a bit more nice and subtle turn a bit more careless and the unspoken social hierarchy becomes more apparent. It becomes very clear who is or isn't a respected member
Yes, i agree. It's like the (other) group members "shift up a gear", or shift to a less-thougtful version of their persona. Might be simply a "role" they switch to, or it could be deeper - a way of acting/talking which they normally have to supress, but now let can give a bit of free-reign to (now that they've switched out of their "nice person" persona into their "carefree-group" persona .. which they possibly might enjoy a lot more, as it requires much less of logical mind & more of spontaneous emotional mind).

And it seems that their patience to listen to little/low-interest stuff almost completely vanishes; they want JUST to experience the MOST excitement/energy/etc, all below that level is "boring" & even to be mocked (by the group). I don't know why what USUALLY they are able to listen to (& which doesn't SEEM to bore them), is now UNACCEPTABLE/HARD to listen to. Is it like being on a roller-coaster with somebody, and them not wanting to play their turn on a magnetic chess set (that you brought up with you) .. when normally they seem to ENJOY or LIKE playing chess against you.

I dunno. But i know that just like being "totally blanked", it can make me ANGRY!!! (lol)
 

hardy

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I wonder why this happens to me. Maybe some people see me as a timid, unconfident, uninteresting person who is not worth listening to, or maybe my voice is too low and soft. I don't know.

3 Simple Ways to Get People to Listen to You


I just spent the week with three of my Proteus colleagues, teaching management and leadership skills to a group of 60 smart, dedicated professional women through a program called Rising Leaders. One of the core management skills we taught them (this was the group’s choice) was listening. I was thrilled they chose this skill. I dedicated the entire first chapter of Growing Great Employees to listening; I believe it’s foundational to success for both managers and leaders.

During the program, which we conduct twice yearly, I offer 30-minute individual mini-coaching sessions to the participants. One of the women I spoke with told me that, though she had found the listening segment dramatically useful, she also wanted to know how to get people to listen to her.

I suspect a lot of people have that question, so – here you go:

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1. Listen. This may seem counter-intuitive, but by far the most effective way to get people’s attention is to give them yours. When you truly listen to someone – when you offer them your undivided focus, summarize their main points to make sure you’re tracking, ask curiosity-based questions to find out more – you’re demonstrating openness and respect in a powerful way. Most people automatically want to hear what someone who seems interested in them might have to say.

Whenever you feel like someone isn’t listening to you, try really listening to him or her first, and then see what happens. It doesn’t always work (some people are truly self-involved), but it usually does. [Note to parents – this often has good results even with teenagers.]

2. Cut to the chase. I was facilitating a meeting a few years ago for a senior operating group, most of whom were quite talkative, and at the same time quite good listeners. There was one guy, though – he would start talking, and within a minute or two, people’s attention would drift. I found I kept interrupting him (respectfully), trying to summarize for him, and he’d simply go off in another direction. It was really chewing up the group’s time, and breaking their focus.
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I pulled him aside at a break, and told him I thought he had important points to make, but that people were having a hard time listening to him. “That always happens to me!” he exclaimed. “People don’t understand me, so I try to explain more.”

“Try to explain less,” I advised. He looked puzzled. “When you say something complex, and people aren’t getting it, it’s not going to help, generally, to say additional complex stuff. Before you start talking, take a minute to think about how to communicate the essence of your message in a simple way.” Happily, he made a real effort to follow my advice, and people were better able to listen to him. I read a really great article today by Kare Anderson in the Harvard Business Review blog, talking about just this situation. If you have a problem communicating in a simple, compelling way, I strongly suggest you read it.

3. Read the Room. If you’re talking to someone or to a group, and they’re not giving you their attention (surreptitiously looking at their phones, doodling, looking out the window, writing emails), they’re not listening to you. As above, you talking more is probably not going to help. Stop talking. Ask a question; find out what they’re interested in hearing. Even if you’re the most compelling speaker in the world, people won’t listen to you if they’re not interested in your topic. The depth of your passion for taxidermy is not going to engage your vegan friends – I don’t care how articulate you are.

To boil it down: if you want people to listen to you, first listen to them. And when you do talk, focus on topics they find interesting, and paint a vivid picture – use clear, compelling words and images.

Simple advice – but simple doesn’t mean easy. I’d love to hear experiences you’ve had in trying to get people (especially at work) to listen to you. What’s worked for you and what hasn’t?
 

gustavofring

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Giving eye contact to everyone but me is another thing I sometimes notice when people are talking in groups. Like subconciously saying, you're not interesting.

Again, this only happens in certain groups, with people who have got to know the "emberassing socially anxious" side of me (roommates).
 

Srijita52

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Yeah, it happens to me all the time. I think for me its because of three reasons, I can't think of enough things too say, sometimes I'm so afraid of sounding stupid that people move on to some other topic while I'm filtering my thoughts and even if I manage so say something I'm too nervous to raise my voice so others can barely hear me.
 
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