Do you think monogamy is natural?

A86

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I like the idea of being able to share your life experiances with another. It gives more meaning to ones own self. The time needed to fully share thoughts, feeling and ideas seems to be quite large though and having only one partner probably helps in this regard.

From a evolutionary point of view, I guess monogamy is natural behaviour to the point of any offspring becoming of age. Probbaly longer for women?
 

Illusions

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Monogamy is a purpose serving social creation, it's not natural. It's sustainable through our ability to adapt and conform as a means of reaching something socially desirable.

This says it all for me. If we're talking about being sexually monogamous, I don't think it's natural, considering humans' primal urges. Some people just try to sustain it anyway.

But that said, as for myself, I'm not against monogamy. I think I could only have strong feelings for one person at any one time.
 
but i suppose they really were very stupid.

On the contrary, against popular believe Neanderthals were actually very intelligent. What became their downfall was specialty. Where Neanderthals were specialists in hunting (if I remember correctly), humans were generalists, and knew a little of everything.

So when the ice age came and animals became scarce, the Neanderthals couldn't survive anymore because they didn't have sufficient knowhow on alternate food sources. The food supply depleted, and so they found extinction.
 

Lea

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Oh I see now, this term means just promiscuity, not actual marriage. And I think people should everybody speak for themselves - is it natural FOR YOU, not only what you think in general. For me definitely this isn´t natural, but as I have aspergers I have problems with any kind of social instinct :). But I don´t believe if someone has many partners they could really love them because if they would love any single one of them at least a bit they wouldn´t have the need to go somewhere else. I try to understand that not everyone is like me and sees it the same way, but still don´t get it but I try to be openminded :D.
 
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userremoved

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Some think we used to keep Neanderthals as sex slaves. They were much stronger and faster than us, but i suppose they really were very stupid.

There was an article a few weeks ago about them finding traces of neanderthal DNA in certain people. So if thats true that shows we were having sex with them. Which doesnt surprise me in the least. Not that I would sleep with a cave chick. >.>
 
That doesn't make them sound too clever to me.

Why not? Catching a big animal is going to feed a group a lot better and quicker then if you were to collect berries for all. In hindsight it might not have been smart, but then again, it's not like they saw the ice age coming.
 

panicsurvivor

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On the contrary, against popular believe Neanderthals were actually very intelligent. What became their downfall was specialty. Where Neanderthals were specialists in hunting (if I remember correctly), humans were generalists, and knew a little of everything.

So when the ice age came and animals became scarce, the Neanderthals couldn't survive anymore because they didn't have sufficient knowhow on alternate food sources. The food supply depleted, and so they found extinction.

I've actually read quite a few Paleontologists believe they were bred into our species. Also no one has totally decided weather or not they were as intelligent as us, but they definatley could not speak like us. Their throats were not capable of it. They could only grunt and such, I have known some tough guys that were like that.
 

panicsurvivor

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I've thought about this a lot. The evidence points to the answer being yes.

A) When a male and a female human mate or even just get close to each other a hormone is released called "oxytocin". Its main job is to assist in muscle contractions but it also creates a strong emotional bond between the two. The same hormone is released to form a bond between a mother and her child.

B) Although the hormone does eventually wear off and you can find yourself in a loveless marriage, you have to remember that technology has helped humans live waaay longer than they used to. People used to die around age 40 which means they would only be attached to their significant other for about 20-30 years.

C) If you look at humans all over the world, pretty much every single culture that has ever developed - even ones completely isolated from the rest - have some sort of ritual resembling marriage.

D)This leads me to believe that natural selection has favoured humans being monogamous for whatever reason - perhaps because, traditionally, male primates are big and strong and thus able to ward of potential dangers from its child while females are generally better at nursing the baby. Either one alone would have trouble taking care of a baby but together they make a formidable team.

So I think monogamy is natural for humans. But that doesn't mean you have to be monogamous because you're a human. It was just once a favourable trait for our survival.

O.K. there was a debate about this on another thread. I researched oxytocin afterwards. It definatly does not help to keep you monogamous. It goes away!!! When you are in the honeymoon period of your relationship, it flows like wine, but after six months or so it goes away. Oxytocin is much more active in you when it comes to babies, than sexual partners.

As far as it being natural..... of course it is. Sex and love are both natural. I guess the question is biologically what we are built for. Most scientist agree that it is not. I have actually read a lot of studies that seem to favor polygamy, as the most naturally suited to our biology. :D:D
 

coyote

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i tend to practice serial monogamy

i'll only eat granola for awhile

then switch to Fruit Loops

then after awhile, switch to Wheat chex, etc..
 

panicsurvivor

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No. It's rare, but there are other mammal examples. In fact, we are, as a species, substantially less monogamous than most of those examples.


Not really. It's about biology, and rules have little to do with it in the end. People conveniently forget what their religion teaches about being faithful all the time if they see an attractive opportunity.

Humans are what you might call in the middle ground as goes our instinctive inclination towards monogamy. Keep in mind that our closest genetic relatives--the chimps, are total whores. There's a direct correlation between testicle size and whorishness. Chimps have huge balls; we have medium sized balls.

Did you know we produce 3 kinds of sperm? The sort that does the job, the sort that seeks out the sperm of the last guy and kills it, and the sperm that acts as a blocker for the guy after you. Our ancestors must have been total sluts!

For us, basically, absolute monogamy with no cheating whatsoever is rare in a relationship that lasts for a lifetime--and very few relationships will last that long. That doesn't mean it's impossible though. Free will and all that.

:)

Awesome post!!!! I agree with everything in it. LOL I never new anything about 3 kinds of sperm.
 
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userremoved

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i tend to practice serial monogamy

i'll only eat granola for awhile

then switch to Fruit Loops

then after awhile, switch to Wheat chex, etc..

Are granola, Fruit Loops and Wheat Chex some kinda metaphor for the type of women you're attracted to, or am I looking to deep into this?
 

coyote

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Are granola, Fruit Loops and Wheat Chex some kinda metaphor for the type of women you're attracted to, or am I looking to deep into this?

it was really only intended to be a play on the word serial (cereal)

but you may be onto something
 
I've actually read quite a few Paleontologists believe they were bred into our species. Also no one has totally decided weather or not they were as intelligent as us, but they definatley could not speak like us. Their throats were not capable of it. They could only grunt and such, I have known some tough guys that were like that.

Haha, that actually made me chuckle. x3 But I'm not really sure what capabilities they had. What I read is that they did have some kind of social construct. Love, friendship, humor, loyalty, those type of things.

Was just saying is they're not exactly the dumb drooling stereotypes most people think they were.
 

MollyBeGood

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No. It's rare, but there are other mammal examples. In fact, we are, as a species, substantially less monogamous than most of those examples.


Not really. It's about biology, and rules have little to do with it in the end. People conveniently forget what their religion teaches about being faithful all the time if they see an attractive opportunity.

Humans are what you might call in the middle ground as goes our instinctive inclination towards monogamy. Keep in mind that our closest genetic relatives--the chimps, are total whores. There's a direct correlation between testicle size and whorishness. Chimps have huge balls; we have medium sized balls.

Did you know we produce 3 kinds of sperm? The sort that does the job, the sort that seeks out the sperm of the last guy and kills it, and the sperm that acts as a blocker for the guy after you. Our ancestors must have been total sluts!

For us, basically, absolute monogamy with no cheating whatsoever is rare in a relationship that lasts for a lifetime--and very few relationships will last that long. That doesn't mean it's impossible though. Free will and all that.

:)

Awesome post!!!! I agree with everything in it. LOL I never new anything about 3 kinds of sperm.

i know that kinda blew me away too LOL where did you learn this stuff?
 
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