BlueDays
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We human beings cannot comprehend SANTA CLAUS. All you have to do is to trust him because he does.....
Where is the evidence? People have written about Santa Claus but that does not prove he exists.
We human beings cannot comprehend SANTA CLAUS. All you have to do is to trust him because he does.....
Where is the evidence? People have written about Santa Claus but that does not prove he exists.
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I guess its something you just feel and know. I dont need the bible or church....... I don't need proof.
Apotheosis
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I don't believe there is a God as espoused by most religions.
I do, however, believe there is some 'higher truth' to the universe, that we've yet to uncover (which we may never uncover).
We're all just stardust, anyways.
I do, however, believe there is some 'higher truth' to the universe, that we've yet to uncover (which we may never uncover).
We're all just stardust, anyways.
Rembrandt Broam
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Shyangel
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That was awesome.
I'm sorry, I'm not good with detailed descriptions. I have my views, but I have my issues with getting them together in logical order so, bare with me. So, all I'm gonna say is, I love and am grateful for my blessings. I thank what ever entity in the world has graced me with what I have, even though, to some, it isn't much. I don't think the name,"God." matters, I just think you need to recognize what you have and that by someone's/something's good graces your here on this earth today. I think it's a little blind not to thank something other then you for your health, house, life, love so on, because in the same breath, you could of just as easily not had or lost those things, so, why wouldn't you say thank you to the universe/ or whatever, for that it turned out positively? I don't know if a god exists or not, but I show love to a great power, because I know I can't and am not responsible for everything, so, I say a thank you to the world for being so kind as to do that for me, doesn't that make sense?That's what I think matters, recognizing what you have, and being grateful for it, everything else like, whether or not you give it a name like "God." doesn't. I don't believe in, "God.", I believe in appreciating the good in your life.
I believe in appreciating every little thing in life your given. Not naming or worshiping them, but, appreciating them. That is what I think will get you to heaven, which, I hope exists.
This is just my way if thinking, I don't mean to say anyone's wrong or to offend. I'm not interested in a debate either, this is how I see things, not saying it's right, just my sight.
Tigers are my favorite
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I don't believe in a God. I look at injustice in the world and I just don't believe an all loving God could make an imperfect world like this. And in some religions God will cast you into a Hell for eternity where you suffer more than when you did here.
In addition, people attribute Omniscience to God, but then wouldn't that mean everything is pre-determined? Does my free will even exist if this type of God exists? ...though I believe in a physically determined universe anyway.
And finally, an argument that deist/religious folk bring up all the time is how it is impossible for a Universe to just appear out of nothing. This argument did give me pause, but recently I have just been reading more and more about quantum physics and cosmology and I think the Universe probably can come out of nothing. And a physicist by the name of Lawrence Krauss said something very important an a lecture I watched of his. He basically said that Gravity is negative energy while matter is positive energy and could explain the origin of the Universe...well its all too complicated, but from my understanding it would be like saying 6 + -6 = 0. 6 and -6 are like matter and energy while 0 is nothingness. Our whole lives are something existing in the nothingness of the Universe...we might even live in a Multiverse.
Well that last one was a half assed explanation, but maybe someone will research more about what I wrote. If I had any belief in a Deity, I'd be a Maltheist.
In addition, people attribute Omniscience to God, but then wouldn't that mean everything is pre-determined? Does my free will even exist if this type of God exists? ...though I believe in a physically determined universe anyway.
And finally, an argument that deist/religious folk bring up all the time is how it is impossible for a Universe to just appear out of nothing. This argument did give me pause, but recently I have just been reading more and more about quantum physics and cosmology and I think the Universe probably can come out of nothing. And a physicist by the name of Lawrence Krauss said something very important an a lecture I watched of his. He basically said that Gravity is negative energy while matter is positive energy and could explain the origin of the Universe...well its all too complicated, but from my understanding it would be like saying 6 + -6 = 0. 6 and -6 are like matter and energy while 0 is nothingness. Our whole lives are something existing in the nothingness of the Universe...we might even live in a Multiverse.
Well that last one was a half assed explanation, but maybe someone will research more about what I wrote. If I had any belief in a Deity, I'd be a Maltheist.
coyote
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"god" is merely a name given to something which we cannot otherwise fathom
something bigger than ourselves, something beyond our ability to experience, the nature of the universe perhaps
and then, in order to make more sense of this incomprehensible thing we call "god," we ascribe familiar personality traits derived from our human experience
much the same way we attempt to ascertain the "motives" of the spider crawling across our kitchen counter
various sages, scattered across the globe in the distant mist of the past, handed down their wisdom in the form of literature - sometimes poetic, sometimes allegorical - which tied the idea of "right living" with being in accordance with the "wishes" of this unknowable phenomenon named "god" (among many other names)
these teachings were never meant to be read as a literal account of historic events
their message is not diminished if we strip away all the names, labels, and supernatural mumbo jumbo
the problem has always been when the message is lost by focusing on the words
the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon
something bigger than ourselves, something beyond our ability to experience, the nature of the universe perhaps
and then, in order to make more sense of this incomprehensible thing we call "god," we ascribe familiar personality traits derived from our human experience
much the same way we attempt to ascertain the "motives" of the spider crawling across our kitchen counter
various sages, scattered across the globe in the distant mist of the past, handed down their wisdom in the form of literature - sometimes poetic, sometimes allegorical - which tied the idea of "right living" with being in accordance with the "wishes" of this unknowable phenomenon named "god" (among many other names)
these teachings were never meant to be read as a literal account of historic events
their message is not diminished if we strip away all the names, labels, and supernatural mumbo jumbo
the problem has always been when the message is lost by focusing on the words
the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon
Felgen
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The laws of time and space only count inside this universe; not outside it. Thus, a god can exist without a creator.
TheFurryConfused
Active member
Nope.avi
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she1slander
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Yes, I believe in God, The Eternal Father and His Son, Jesus Christ. God is love. Without God, where would we be? We would cease to exist.
I will vote not sure,but I am sure all the Gods described by humans dont exist,what I dont know is if something else exists,God is the answer that people dont have,its a God of the gaps,after life is to satisfy peoples wish for imortality and make their losses not hurt so much,I mean really?
you get immortality with your family and your enemies and the meanies get eternity to suffer in hell,thats not believable sorry.
you get immortality with your family and your enemies and the meanies get eternity to suffer in hell,thats not believable sorry.
well if you just throw all logic out of the window then so can the "turtles all the way down" carrying the universe can also exist,the most sensible answer is that no one knows.
Orion's Hound
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Does it have to be either or? I suspect one can say yes to both.
For me I voted yes. Went from non-religious, secular background to finding spirituality. While I don't subscribe to religiosity or absolute explanations one way or the other I do feel there is something more. Feel it. Perceive it. Not really a choice, it is a perception - just something I feel. I find the views of the fellow I quote above just as baffling as he undoubtedly finds mine.
These topics tend to be loaded because people assume the same experience all around. I see it both ways. Theists that think atheist is someone who hates God because they can't conceive that there are people who don't believe in God and atheists who think theists are stupid because they can't conceive of how the theist can allow himself to be "suckered in" to religion or faith.
I was nearly thirty before I realized that not all people are like me in my neurological functioning - it is a common error we humans make in our interactions so I am not judging one way or the other. If God created the Universe then who created God and who created God's God, and so on? If everything came from nothing then where did nothing spring from, what drove the reaction that caused something, what differentiated the nothing that created something from the dormant nothing that lays between everything, and what was there before that? It is a group of blind kids debating over the definition of the color red, more often then not.
WeirdyMcGee
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hmm...
I'm spiritual, sure.
Don't really believe in one all knowing being though.
What I believe in is being a good person.
I'm spiritual, sure.
Don't really believe in one all knowing being though.
What I believe in is being a good person.
Boby
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No i don't believe there is a God.There's a logical principle called Occam's razor which says that any unnecessary assumption will most likely be a false one.
So the way i see it is like this : there is no evidence of the existence of God, also there is no need for a God for things to exist , in conclusion God is an unnecessary assumption so i can cut it off with the Occam's razor.
So the way i see it is like this : there is no evidence of the existence of God, also there is no need for a God for things to exist , in conclusion God is an unnecessary assumption so i can cut it off with the Occam's razor.
Agent_Violet
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I don't believe in God. I believe something created everything...I just don't believe it's some skinny white dude in sandals and a robe. I don't think whatever created everything is male or female. I think it's so beyond our scope of understanding that we won't truly ever get what "it" is that created things.
I HOPE there is some sort of wonderful life after we die...I doubt it...but it would be nice.
I HOPE there is some sort of wonderful life after we die...I doubt it...but it would be nice.
