How many of you believe?
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Wishmaster
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I do believe in a life after this one. I believe there's a higher power out there watching over us. We know how everything works and why things do what they do, but we don't know WHERE it all came from. Laws of physics and matter didn't just come out of nowhere- I think God created the laws and theories that we go by today.
When I was younger I went to church.. It has been about 3 years since then though. I guess I have lost my faith in a way, but I do believe. I'm not a very good christian anymore though because our church is just a big social gathering and it isn't somewhere that you go alone lol. I also tend to be a bit apathetic at times about praying and reading the Bible..
But yes.. When I pray, I know there is someone listening to me. I don't know how deep I'm aloud to go into this, but I really do feel God's presence when I pray.
When I was younger I went to church.. It has been about 3 years since then though. I guess I have lost my faith in a way, but I do believe. I'm not a very good christian anymore though because our church is just a big social gathering and it isn't somewhere that you go alone lol. I also tend to be a bit apathetic at times about praying and reading the Bible..
But yes.. When I pray, I know there is someone listening to me. I don't know how deep I'm aloud to go into this, but I really do feel God's presence when I pray.
I dedicate to all the atheists of the forum, and to all the critical believers as I am, this song by the italian singer-songwriter Fabrizio De Andrè, another not enough internationally-known poet as every people and language have many. I tried to translate it for you, just to try to give the more shallow, direct sense.
YouTube - Fabrizio De Andrè - Il Testamento di Tito
"You shall have no other gods before Me"
This often made me think
Different people, came from East
They said it was the same, after all
They did believe in another one, before You
But they didn't hurt me
They did believe in another one, before You
But they didn't hurt me.
"You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God",
You shall not call His name in vain
With a dagger stuck into my ribs
I cried my pain in His name
But maybe he was tired, maybe too busy
He didn't listen my grief
Maybe he was tired, maybe too far
Really, I called in vain.
"Honor your father and your mother"
And also, honour their stick
Kiss the hand which punched your face
While you were looking for care
When my father's heart stopped, I didn't grieve for him
When my father's heart stopped, I didn't grieve for him
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy",
It's not easy for we bandits
To enter in temples overflowing psalms
By slaves and their masters
Without ending up tied to the altar
Slaughtered as goats
Without ending up tied to the altar
Slaughtered as goats
Then comes this: "You shall not steal",
And maybe this one, I obeyed
While discharging furtively the plentiful pocket
Of those which yet had stolen
But I, outlaw, did it in my name
They did in the name of God
But I, outlaw, did it in my name
They, in the name of God
Don't do impure acts, don't fornicate
Fecundate a woman every time you love her
This way you will be a man of faith.
Then the passion fades and the child remains,
And many starve
Maybe I confused pleasure with love,
But at least I didn't create pain.
A valuable one says not to murder,
if you want to deserve the Heaven
Look today, at this rule of God
Three times nailed on wood
Look at the end of that Nazarethian
And a thief doesn't die less than him
Look at the end of that Nazarethian
And a thief doesn't die less than that
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor"
And help the killing of the other neighbor
They know by memory the law of God
But they always forget about Forgive.
I did perjury on God and on my honor
And no, it isn't such a sorrow
I did perjury on God and on my honor
And no, it isn't such a sorrow
"You shall not covet" the others' stuff,
You shall not covet their spouse
Say it to those, ask it to the few ones
Which have the spouse and the stuff
In others' beds, still warm of love
I never felt sorrow
But the yesterday's envy is still unfinished,
Tonight I will covet their lives.
And now that returns the night and the dark
It frees my eyes from pain
And while the sun creeps beyond the dunes
To violate other nights
while I see this man to die, mother, I feel pain.
In the pity which doesn't surrend to rancour,
Mother, I learned love.
YouTube - Fabrizio De Andrè - Il Testamento di Tito
"You shall have no other gods before Me"
This often made me think
Different people, came from East
They said it was the same, after all
They did believe in another one, before You
But they didn't hurt me
They did believe in another one, before You
But they didn't hurt me.
"You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God",
You shall not call His name in vain
With a dagger stuck into my ribs
I cried my pain in His name
But maybe he was tired, maybe too busy
He didn't listen my grief
Maybe he was tired, maybe too far
Really, I called in vain.
"Honor your father and your mother"
And also, honour their stick
Kiss the hand which punched your face
While you were looking for care
When my father's heart stopped, I didn't grieve for him
When my father's heart stopped, I didn't grieve for him
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy",
It's not easy for we bandits
To enter in temples overflowing psalms
By slaves and their masters
Without ending up tied to the altar
Slaughtered as goats
Without ending up tied to the altar
Slaughtered as goats
Then comes this: "You shall not steal",
And maybe this one, I obeyed
While discharging furtively the plentiful pocket
Of those which yet had stolen
But I, outlaw, did it in my name
They did in the name of God
But I, outlaw, did it in my name
They, in the name of God
Don't do impure acts, don't fornicate
Fecundate a woman every time you love her
This way you will be a man of faith.
Then the passion fades and the child remains,
And many starve
Maybe I confused pleasure with love,
But at least I didn't create pain.
A valuable one says not to murder,
if you want to deserve the Heaven
Look today, at this rule of God
Three times nailed on wood
Look at the end of that Nazarethian
And a thief doesn't die less than him
Look at the end of that Nazarethian
And a thief doesn't die less than that
"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor"
And help the killing of the other neighbor
They know by memory the law of God
But they always forget about Forgive.
I did perjury on God and on my honor
And no, it isn't such a sorrow
I did perjury on God and on my honor
And no, it isn't such a sorrow
"You shall not covet" the others' stuff,
You shall not covet their spouse
Say it to those, ask it to the few ones
Which have the spouse and the stuff
In others' beds, still warm of love
I never felt sorrow
But the yesterday's envy is still unfinished,
Tonight I will covet their lives.
And now that returns the night and the dark
It frees my eyes from pain
And while the sun creeps beyond the dunes
To violate other nights
while I see this man to die, mother, I feel pain.
In the pity which doesn't surrend to rancour,
Mother, I learned love.
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I am my own god. I worship myself (modestly) and those who choose to faithfully stand by me.
YouTube - Richard Dawkins -- The God Delusion
YouTube - The Comfort Of Religion And The Purpose Of Life - Richard Dawkins @ UC Berkeley
YouTube - Richard Dawkins -- The God Delusion
YouTube - The Comfort Of Religion And The Purpose Of Life - Richard Dawkins @ UC Berkeley
iamthenra
Well-known member
lol
this one really looked like the sermon in an atheist Mass. Found it interesting, but quite sterile, I mean: the things he says are true, but as there is no evidence there is no counter-evidence, for that it is a "faith" and not a "certainty". Of course, I understand that the proper target of these atheist-scientist invectives is more the wider, often ignorant and superstitious human undergrowth of all religions... and the fundamentalism, of course... Anyway I will confess you that I too deeply worship myself, and that a strong individualism is not in contradiction with faith stuff. Not in my mind, at least
CosmicNeurotica
Banned
Personally, I'm still a little confused as to how anyone can believe in any religion. I think some religions are good and have good values in them (well, most actually) but they always come with some of the most ridiculous fairy tales. Of course for their time I'm sure they were believable, but come on we're smarter than that! It just still amazes me that people don't understand WE make religions to make us feel better, or to create rules. It's us silly humans way to give meaning. Think about it. Would you believe everything that someone told you to be true? Even religious people create their own meanings for what they read so it suits their style or way of life they already have. No 2 people of the same religion actually believe the same thing. All of us want to KNOW what truth is.
And in fact I'd argue that because of this, it tells us something about the true nature of reality. What that is of course, I don't know.
However, the evolution of our technology and intelligence is inevitable. But people are slowing it down by still "believing" in history. I say you shouldn't live in the past and you should move forward. That's also true for religions. There's also a reason we don't create religions anymore. And if we do, they're even more ridiculous than ever before.
It's the mystery of the universe that has allowed us to create such stories and be so creative. The mystery is the truth. Why would anyone want to say they understand, when they have no idea? I just don't get that.
But maybe the old saying men don't seek knowledge, only certainty rings true here.
Hope I haven't offended anyone. I should make it clear that I still respect religious people for their values. If something makes you feel good, that's a good thing. I just hope killing people isn't part of that!
And in fact I'd argue that because of this, it tells us something about the true nature of reality. What that is of course, I don't know.
However, the evolution of our technology and intelligence is inevitable. But people are slowing it down by still "believing" in history. I say you shouldn't live in the past and you should move forward. That's also true for religions. There's also a reason we don't create religions anymore. And if we do, they're even more ridiculous than ever before.
It's the mystery of the universe that has allowed us to create such stories and be so creative. The mystery is the truth. Why would anyone want to say they understand, when they have no idea? I just don't get that.
But maybe the old saying men don't seek knowledge, only certainty rings true here.
Hope I haven't offended anyone. I should make it clear that I still respect religious people for their values. If something makes you feel good, that's a good thing. I just hope killing people isn't part of that!
CosmicNeurotica
Banned
Lol now this is something I could get on board with
mrb
Well-known member
dunno to much about all that god stuff , but i do know you owe it to yourself and others to try to be a decent human being , be true to yourself be kind to your fellow human beings , and be nice to animals , and if there is a god well ......... hevan awaits , if not at least you have led a decent life , and people wont slag you off at your funeral lolzz
CosmicNeurotica
Banned
Yes. Be nice to animals.
Treat all animals as though you would any other person. You can learn A LOT from them, and make a best friend in the process. Animals are people too!
Treat all animals as though you would any other person. You can learn A LOT from them, and make a best friend in the process. Animals are people too!
mrb
Well-known member
yayyy i like you lol
well give that man a banana , um if you dont like bananas im pretty sure iv got some grapes in the fridge I don't feel offended
and the last is a extremely sharable point.Yes, I definitely think that, if one is smarter than a pidgeon and he wants to believe in any religion, sometimes he has to discern (1)what he likes and what he doesn't in that set of religion stuff, especially if there is some human being as he which interpret the rules and preaches in his ears; but more than this (2) he has to interpret and metabolyse things that have thousands of years, as the Bible for instance. I mean, if I appreciate many of the tales in the Bible is more for their broader sense, the allegories which they carry, but if I have to understand how the earth spins and goes or stuff like this, well it's some hundred years that we have seen it is better to look studiously at the sky than in some ancient books. But this doesn't necessarily imply that the sky wasn't somehow created by God, or isn't God, as you could be: if just you feel it. This was just to make a point, I appreciated what you wrote, nothing wrong with that, at all. The point is that in my opinion, faith is more a matter of feeling, rather than thinking: but this doesn't mean that a believer isn't able to think, or that an atheist isn't able to feel.
RebeccaMay1994
Member
I don't want to become a slave to religion so I choose not to have a religion.
Luke1993
Well-known member
What a nice thing to say!
Sorry to say that, but some atheist people look like angry about the whole matter. I mean, what's the point?
YouTube - Rowan Atkinson Amazing Jesus
Aww take a look at this people!!! Its ludicrously hilarious lol
Aww take a look at this people!!! Its ludicrously hilarious lol
Masychefx2
Banned
religion was created by humans to provide some sort of point to life
jesus probably existed but i very much doubt he is some magical being probably more on the crazy side
jesus probably existed but i very much doubt he is some magical being probably more on the crazy side
Don't even get me started on religion. This website will be on fire, lol.