How many roads must a man walk down...

worrywort

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How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?

Anybody have an answer to this question? It's been bugging me for a long time now, and I thought I'd ask here as there are some very insightful people on this forum.

Here are my confused thoughts on the matter:

At the moment, the best answer seems to me, to be - "more than most". i.e. greatness is relative. If most people walk down 10 roads, while you walk down 100, you'll seem much greater, whereas if most people walk down 1000 roads, your 100 roads will make you seem like a loser! So walking down more roads than most is what will generally earn you the title of being a "true" man or woman.

But then that doesn't seem fair to me because we're not all born equal. Some are born in places where there aren't many roads, while others are born surrounded by many roads. [I'm stretching the metaphor here!] Some are born with access to motor vehicles, others have to walk on foot, etc. So maybe it's more like this; Person A begins with 10 roads and multiplies them to 100 roads. Person B begins with 1000 roads but squanders them and ends up with 500 roads. From the outside Person B's 500 roads may still seem like the greater accomplishment, but surely it's Person A who has truly achieved the greater accomplishment, and deserves the most praise? So maybe it's about taking what we're given and making the most of it, and maybe only we can decide, as individuals, if we've done our best in life or not.

But then, lets say most people multiply their roads by 5 in their lifetimes. Person A's 100 roads, from 10, would make him the greater man. But what if most people multiply their roads by 100 in their lifetimes. Suddenly Person A's performance makes him the loser. So we're back at the start again, searching for a standard. What is the "true" standard that measures a persons worth in life? Is it simply how many roads they've walked down, or is it more to do with how much a person has improved from what they began with?

I have more thoughts but thats enough text for now, so I'll leave you with one last question;

If you were God, and you had the entire human race lined up in front of you on judgement day, how would you rate people?
 
How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?

If you were God, and you had the entire human race lined up in front of you on judgement day, how would you rate people?

I would remind all that even though they belong to the human race, there was no competition, no judgement - everyone is a winner....oh, and you all have to go back, there's no heaven either.
 

Lea

Banned
Worryworm, don't worry. I don't know if this will be a scientific enough answer :D, but I think you're pretty ahead of most. At least judging from your posts, you have a great character and intelligence etc. Don't worry about being great in society measures, just stay the way you are and try to do your best. Such people who are unspoiled by society are rare today!
 

Pacific_Loner

Pirate from the North Pole
Well
The answer is blowing in the wind? So I would say drop the calculations.
The only thing I can say I am sure of, is that you won't find the answer comparing yourself to others.

About your last question, I think it would mainly be about if people spread peace or sorrow during their life time.
 

hoddesdon

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I would remind all that even though they belong to the human race, there was no competition, no judgement - everyone is a winner....oh, and you all have to go back, there's no heaven either.

You are wrong, there is a spiritual realm.
 

hoddesdon

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Well, with regard to the roads question: to run the race that has been set before you, to keep the faith and to do your best to win the battle. The world is not the best judge of who has won the battle - Christ did all of those things, and won the battle in the end, although the world did not initially think so.
 

Lea

Banned
To the last question, "if we were God", we cannot even imagine to be God, so it's better that we leave it to God in my opinion, and mind our own business :D. I believe in karma btw., although I would also like to know, why everyone else is better than me and what I did wrong that I am like this. But I will hardly ever know so what is left to me is just try and do my best, MY best, because I can't be anyone else...
 

AGR

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First if I was on the role of God there wouldnt be a judgment day,I wouldnt need to judge anyone because all that I was against would simply not exist,but if I had to judge somehow it would be case by case,would not rate anyone,but murderers,thieves and similar would not likely pass to my heaven depending on the case of course.
 

NathanielWingatePeaslee

Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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title of being a "true" man or woman.
How can anyone even begin to answer the titular question without there being a clear definition of what a 'true' man or woman is? Such definitions are quite subjective.

If you were God, and you had the entire human race lined up in front of you on judgement day, how would you rate people?

I think Lea had a very good answer for this.

ETA:
So we're back at the start again, searching for a standard. What is the "true" standard that measures a persons worth in life?
This is what I mean--it all depends on who you ask, so without a standard answer the question is meaningless. If you hold God's view as the standard, it's still meaningless because God's view is unknowable. Who would claim to know the mind of God?

Coyote: I still like Dylan's version better. :D

Bob Dylan - Blowin In the Wind - 1963 : ????
 
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Deus_Ex_Lemur

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This (think of it like a metaphor for the road metaphor):

YouTube - Tootsie Pop

"the world may never know." Aka as Purple said, your own pace, etc. It's not the destination, it's the journey; the journey is what makes you into who you are.
 
This (think of it like a metaphor for the road metaphor):

YouTube - Tootsie Pop

"the world may never know." Aka as Purple said, your own pace, etc. It's not the destination, it's the journey; the journey is what makes you into who you are.

Nice!
(I saw a shirt once in my teens that had a couple of Tootsie Pops on it and it said "How many licks does it take?" My mother wouldn't let me buy it. :))
 

Tiercel

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How many roads must a man walk down before you call him a man?

I'd say as many as it takes.

If you were God, and you had the entire human race lined up in front of you on judgement day, how would you rate people?

I'd rate them by what was in their hearts. And while I'm in there, I'd probably clean out all the plaque in their arteries, too. Can't have any heart attacks in My Kingdom. ;)
 

worrywort

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wow, there's some brilliant answers here! thanks for the replies. To be honest I'm not entirely sure what it is I'm looking for! I feel like there's something holding me back. Whenever I dream of being a great person, there's always a small voice that seems to condemn me.....as though if I were to climb to the top of the ladder, I'd just feel bad for the people at the bottom. It doesn't seem quite fair. I don't want to fuel the idea inside of me that, only by reaching the top of the ladder, can I feel good about myself. I want to believe that self worth is something available to all of us, no matter where we're placed on the ladder.....but I'm not sure. I may be confusing the issue with the idea of competition and survival of the fittest. Alain de botton gave a good TED talk a while ago on the meaning of success. It captures a lot of what I've been thinking about;

YouTube - Alain de Botton: A kinder, gentler philosophy of success

But I think one fairly secure conclusion you can draw from this problem is that, until we've lived the life of another person we can never truly judge them, cause we have no idea what that person has been through or what's going on in their heart. So I guess the real question to ask ourselves is; "How many roads must I walk down before I can call myself a man?"

I have 3 possible answers to this question batting around my brain;

1. My instinctive and most practical answer is to just do my best. If I can maintain a general 80-90% effort rate throughout my life, I think I'd feel pretty proud by the end of it. The problem with this is, what if I don't do my best? What if I give up? Would the shame that I'd feel be justified? I guess it would.

2. Then there's the biblical answer to the problem; that none of us will ever walk down enough roads, because the standard is 100% perfection, and we all fall short. And so what we need is something entirely different. We need forgiveness.

3. Then there's the "more than most" solution, which I think is what society generally means when they think of great people.

And maybe the answer I choose depends on who exactly I am trying to please? Whose endorsement am I turning to for my sense of self worth? Other people [3], myself [1], or God [2]?
 
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