I'm Addicted to Trolling?

dyingtolive

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At the end of the day, addiction is a get out of jail free card, it's even a disability that entitles you to welfare in the UK. I guess if you have a personality disorder that makes you want to hurt others then there is no hope for you to be recognised as needing help. Even though this is something which you also cannot help. Just because someone has the faculty to plan a trolling attack doesn't mean they are necessarily all there. People will just think you are mean and hurtful and wholly responsible. I guess there needs to be more understanding and education for people about the nature of these disorders and what drives people to troll. And I guess some people just have trouble understanding because it's not black and white.

Dying to live is also assuming the harmer's life is less valuable than other peoples.

Where im from addiction is not a disability. People get 100% the blame and get it even worse. Rehabilitation is worse here than prisons.

I guess if you have a personality disorder that makes you want to hurt others then there is no hope for you to be recognised as needing help
There is hope for you to be recognized as needing help. You yourself can recognize you need help and get help. Your friends, family, etc can recognize the problem and help you. If you're basing your thoughts on the government systems then I think that is another discussion. Because yeah people can abuse it, etc.

However, the penalty for causing harmful actions due to substance abuse or low self esteem should be the same. Ppl who harm others if they're high or drunk should get the same penalty as those who do them because they are compulsives due to low self esteem, etc.

Substance abuse "Alone" is better off than Harming others. Harming yourself is done with your permission. Harming others is not done with their permission.

What one does to themselves is really one's own business and one's own burden, whether you're destroying your liver or killing your brain cells, or getting fat or being miserable. If so then eating McDonald's is like doing drugs. Alcoholics or substance abusers can outlive healthy people. In the end we all die. Or even so, so what if someone wants to live fast, die young if thats his right and choice. Self harm is really no biggie.

But destroying other people's lives is another story.
 
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Tomasso

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For me, saying nice things to others feels unnatural. I was bullied in school until my junior year of high school and it unfortunately shaped my personality.

BTW, I'm not a flamer, I don't make personal attacks on anyone. I don't ever make my trolling personal. I'm much more strategic about it. If it's a thread about a polarized current event, I'll post deliberately misleading information but it is well written and introduced with "most experts in the field agree that..." and I'll take a side on the issue. If my information is questioned, then I'd just say something like "I respect your opinion, but most people on this thread feel that what you say just isn't as credible as the word of a specialist" or maybe "So you think because you can find articles on google search that you know more about this topic than a person who dedicated their entire career to it?

Honestly I'm so addicted to trolling I could probably write a novel on it, sadly enough. When I first started doing it I was just a flamer and got banned by mods within days of my arrival on a forum. I was really sensitive to criticism but now I've gotten so subtle at being condescending that most people don't even take me as a troll. I really need to put this behind me, it's 100% true what people say about trolls being bitter people without friends from my perspective.
 

MikeyC

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BTW, I'm not a flamer, I don't make personal attacks on anyone. I don't ever make my trolling personal. I'm much more strategic about it. If it's a thread about a polarized current event, I'll post deliberately misleading information but it is well written and introduced with "most experts in the field agree that..." and I'll take a side on the issue. If my information is questioned, then I'd just say something like "I respect your opinion, but most people on this thread feel that what you say just isn't as credible as the word of a specialist" or maybe "So you think because you can find articles on google search that you know more about this topic than a person who dedicated their entire career to it?
This does not make it right.
 

MsBuzzkillington

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For me, saying nice things to others feels unnatural. I was bullied in school until my junior year of high school and it unfortunately shaped my personality.

I would imagine that before you were bullied it wasn't natural for you to be mean to people? Or to troll them?

I would suggest practice saying nice things to others until it becomes natural. The people you are trolling aren't the ones who bullied you in high school so there is no reason why they should pay for another person's mistakes.
 

Waybuloo

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First of all, I don't appreciate that condescending comment near the end. I understand what a disorder is, but I also understand that there are a lot of people that play the addiction/disorder card whenever they have a bad habit as excuse to make it something deemed unchangeable. Not everything is a addiction or a disorder.

When it is a real addiction/disorder, and people/you recognize it, they deserve every bit of help available. But when it's simply a shortcut to power to feed your self esteem or for the fun of it, which considering the quantity of trolls online today is majority of the time, then it becomes something inexcusable.

You are the one who said 'don't give me that' and proceeded to outline your experience with your parents. The tone of that statement was pretty antagonistic. Now I don't really care about that, but you get what you give. You are also interpreting it as condescending, when I'm only stating what it seems to me.

Do you think the OP started this thread to gloat over people and show off his trolling prowess? MY interpretation of his comments shows me that he genuinely wants to stop trolling because it is becoming uncontrollable. He also states why it makes him feel good and is clearly looking for help.
 
You are the one who said 'don't give me that' and proceeded to outline your experience with your parents. The tone of that statement was pretty antagonistic. Now I don't really care about that, but you get what you give. You are also interpreting it as condescending, when I'm only stating what it seems to me.

Do you think the OP started this thread to gloat over people and show off his trolling prowess? MY interpretation of his comments shows me that he genuinely wants to stop trolling because it is becoming uncontrollable. He also states why it makes him feel good and is clearly looking for help.

I don't see why that is brought up again, but let me that again; You implied that unless I/someone were/had been a child growing up under addict role-models I didn't understand what I was talking about > I emphasized that I do. The experience and thoughts have since changed. The keywords in that sentence were ''at the time''.

And to clarify, what you said came out as condescending because you claimed to know whom and whom didn't understand what was discussed. Even going as far as implying it was being viewed as something black and white. Which I assure you, isn't the case here.

Literally everyone on this forum is looking for some kind of help. And if they intent is to actually stop the habits they deem bad, all the power to them. But this has never been about the OP. My points are against trolling, and them being bullies because of the nature of their activities. Many bullies do what they do in real life for reasons of insecurity, power, problems at home too. It doesn't make the damage done by their action any less substantial, nor any less excusable.

Mental infliction might make certain things compulsive, but causing havoc on purpose remains unacceptable. For addicts, for alcoholics, for those with low self esteem and also for many severities of mentally challenged.. There are exceptions to the rule, but for most people cable of actually conscious/semi-rational thought the same social rules/consequence apply.
 

Waybuloo

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I don't see why that is brought up again, but let me that again; You implied that unless I/someone were/had been a child growing up under addict role-models I didn't understand what I was talking about > I emphasized that I do. The experience and thoughts have since changed. The keywords in that sentence were ''at the time''.

And to clarify, what you said came out as condescending because you claimed to know whom and whom didn't understand what was discussed. Even going as far as implying it was being viewed as something black and white. Which I assure you, isn't the case here.

Literally everyone on this forum is looking for some kind of help. And if they intent is to actually stop the habits they deem bad, all the power to them. But this has never been about the OP. My points are against trolling, and them being bullies because of the nature of their activities. Many bullies do what they do in real life for reasons of insecurity, power, problems at home too. It doesn't make the damage done by their action any less substantial, nor any less excusable.

Mental infliction might make certain things compulsive, but causing havoc on purpose remains unacceptable. For addicts, for alcoholics, for those with low self esteem and also for many severities of mentally challenged.. There are exceptions to the rule, but for most people cable of actually conscious/semi-rational thought the same social rules/consequence apply.

That is not what I implied at all. Obviously children, dependents, families etc of addicts suffer at their hands (whether due to direct abuse or indirect neglect), like 'victims' of trolls suffer. The hurt felt by the former are more personal and long lasting. So addicts don't just harm themselves nor have no affect on people other than themselves.

After all my presenting of my side of the viewpoint, you still did not seem to grasp that and maintained that trolls were somehow evil and a disgrace to humanity. Pretty inappropriate in the context of the OP seeking help. Hitler is a disgrace to humanity. It doesn't matter if you don't really want to talk about the OP and just want to make a general statement, what you are saying is targeting the OP and saying that he makes you lose faith in humanity, which is an insult itself. I'm sure he knows what it does to people. I wouldn't butt in a conversation involving an alcoholic and tell him that he makes me lose faith in humanity.

Ok so you are not a bleeding heart liberal. Fine.
 

coyote

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if people didn't so desperately feel the need to decide whether everything in the world met with their approval, and that they needed to judge and punish others for not meeting their criteria for acceptance or their expectations, it wouldn't be so easy to "troll" in the first place
 

Waybuloo

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if people didn't so desperately feel the need to decide whether everything in the world met with their approval, and that they needed to judge and punish others for not meeting their criteria for acceptance or their expectations, it wouldn't be so easy to "troll" in the first place

If joining forums and accessing the world wide web wasn't so easy, it wouldn't be so easy to 'troll' in the first place.
 

Waybuloo

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right, people deserve to be bullied simply for showing up

Why do people deserve to be bullied if they show up??

In the world before the internet, how many cases of trolling have you heard of? The internet provides a platform that makes anything easier, including trolling. It makes porn easier to find, local businesses easier to locate.
 
That is not what I implied at all. Obviously children, dependents, families etc of addicts suffer at their hands (whether due to direct abuse or indirect neglect), like 'victims' of trolls suffer. The hurt felt by the former are more personal and long lasting. So addicts don't just harm themselves nor have no affect on people other than themselves.

After all my presenting of my side of the viewpoint, you still did not seem to grasp that and maintained that trolls were somehow evil and a disgrace to humanity. Pretty inappropriate in the context of the OP seeking help. Hitler is a disgrace to humanity. It doesn't matter if you don't really want to talk about the OP and just want to make a general statement, what you are saying is targeting the OP and saying that he makes you lose faith in humanity, which is an insult itself. I'm sure he knows what it does to people. I wouldn't butt in a conversation involving an alcoholic and tell him that he makes me lose faith in humanity.

Ok so you are not a bleeding heart liberal. Fine.

Actually the exact thing you said was, and pardon me for quoting I wouldn't do it unless I felt it was necessary; ''And I think children who suffer at the hands of addicts would disagree with being less offended.'' Maybe it was a unfortunate choice of words, but is sure looked like you were implying just that. I just told you that I was exactly one of those kids, and was still less offended by their behavior (now) because of the motives involved.

While alcohol/drug abuse does tend to have a more substantial effect on the person/audience than for-the-lulz trolling, the source cause of it is also a lot stronger. You just can't compare compulsive need for taunting with a aggressive internal chemical struggle that literally devastates your body. And bare in mind that drug/alcohol abusers aren't pardoned for their behavior either.

As far the OP goes, I have nothing personal against him. But what spurred my initial post is the reasons indicated for change. Namely the quantity or trolling, and loss in grades, not the harm done to the people. With all due respect, those are selfish reasons. And he didn't ask for help, he asked for similar experiences. Relation, rather then constructive ways of changing. While you might see that as some kind of cry for help, I see it as a prod of understanding a compulsive behavioral quirk. Perhaps it is the start that leads to change for the OP, and with that I wish him nothing but luck.

However, it seeming as mere curiosity thread, and the trolling didn't seem hardwired in origin and rather seemed like personal empowerment, I continued to make a comment about how I think trolling is the same thing as bullying. And perhaps I didn't say it in a very politically correct or sugar coated way, but forgive me for being human once in while. I still stand behind that statement.

If a psychopath kills someone, it doesn't make the victim any less dead because this person has a mental illness. In the same way if a person were to troll out of reasons of mental illness, it doesn't change the damage on the other side. If a psychopath kills someone he/she is still a murderer, if someone with mental illness pesters others he/she is still a bully.
 

Waybuloo

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Then why do the courts recognise diminished responsibility? I guess they are all old farts out of touch with reality.
 

Waybuloo

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if we weren't all so easily affected by other people's opinion, trolls would simply be ignored

Certain teachings put an emphasis on how we choose to incorporate external things to affect our own emotions. Everybody is responsible for how they feel themselves.
 

NP88

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I troll xbox live, hilarious. Though Im sure in a way it's a result of my complete lack of social life. It is fun though when people rage trapped in a corner on cod, or flying a full load of people of a cliff in a warthog on halo. Also it is sad that I have nothing better to do. Interesting, I never really put the two together.
 
Help.

i) I stalk nasties (rude trolls) who give completely irrelevant and unhelpful posts. When I spot them I'm addicted to writing something stern.

ii) I forever inclined to quickly jump in and provide answers to someone who needs help.

I really don't want to waste my time with those two anymore. Why am I so stuck to the Internet forum?! :confused:
 

karl:-/

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If it just winding up mates and such then sure its all good banter.. but when it turns into a case of people willing someone else to kill them selves. Then It's time to end the joke or onslaught of what you call harmless fun... You know what I'm on about it happend in America not so long ago on YouTube. People like you watched him die!!! So yea if that's what it takes to become popular stick it right up ya arse!!!
 
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