He-Man Woman Haters

[sabbath]

Some guys blame society and women for all their troubles. George Sodini killed women because they rejected him. Well why shouldn't they reject him if he was full of hate for women. What do these women haters have to offer? Do they volunteer to help people less fortunate then them? Don't they realize that women are no different then men? The only difference is they have been abused, discriminated against, relegated to second class citizens, etc. just because they were born female. Stop hating and start loving. Love everyone, including yourself. Stop judging. If you're not helping others than you are part of the problem, not the solution.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

Some guys blame society and women for all their troubles. George Sodini killed women because they rejected him. Well why shouldn't they reject him if he was full of hate for women. What do these women haters have to offer? Do they volunteer to help people less fortunate then them? Don't they realize that women are no different then men? The only difference is they have been abused, discriminated against, relegated to second class citizens, etc. just because they were born female. Stop hating and start loving. Love everyone, including yourself. Stop judging. If you're not helping others than you are part of the problem, not the solution.

I appreciate that you pointed this reality out. God knows how many men I've known who fit the description you have given. They despise women and openly show it but then expect women to not reject them. They have very warped ideals of what women should or should not be. They ask themselves, "Who is this bitch to reject me?" I wouldn't gravitate towards a misogynist, or misandrist any more than I would gravitate towards a racist or a bigot. Racism, bigotry, misandry and misogyny all have hatred, warped ideals, and ignorance in common.

Once people can begin to see women as human beings (as you stated) the quicker we can understand that it's only human/normal of us to be just that. Women are expected to be the fairer sex, we're expected to be the mothers and the nurturers, (such things do not come natural to all women) the ones who will be accepting, kind and agreeable no matter what, tolerant and understanding of everyone.

My own mother wasn't tolerant, accepting or kind to me just as her mother was not to her. By denying women their basic humanity, we are doing all of mankind a disfavor. Is it fair to have high expectations of women, yet have lower standards of men? This implies that men cannot do better than what is expect of them and that women have to be the equivalent of mother and god put together.

A lot of society's misogyny (both women and men can have internalized misogyny) was not apparent to me until I read "The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How all Men can Help" by Jackson Katz, and "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" by Phyllis Chesler.

One thing I've noticed about Eminem is that he refuses to say the word "nigger" which we all know to be a nasty racial slur towards blacks and people of African decent, but he has no problem referring to women as "bitches" (I'm not implying that it's okay to spout racial slurs but not misogynistic ones). He knows that he doesn't want to offend blacks because of the possible repercussions, (so much for him being the big brave man who doesn't care what people think of him) but he has no problem saying offensive, violent and vulgar things about women. As many he-man woman haters, he has to defend his hetero credentials (since he bashes women he doesn't want to come across as a "fag") by bashing gay men. It's so typical of macho men.

And men on these forums think they're too sensitive? In reality, these so called machos are much more sensitive than your average male. Think of how quick Eminem and his like are to lash out at people for criticizing them (challenging them)? These are the sort of men that I am referring to when I say that I avoid assholes at all costs.

Thanks again for this thread. I really hope that you're a man because I don't hear too many men who have the balls to speak out against this particular issue, lest they be accused of being "fags" or "soft".

 

[doesit]

i know few girls,womans who can be total B*88S sometimes so does it mean all females are like that ??if a person aproaches me in a proper manner i treat him nice,but if someone shows their anger on me i put them in their place and try to treat them worser.Simple advise if you cant deal with certain people avoid them,if you cant avoid them play by their rules.And if person hates all the woman hes total fag then and dont be shy to mention that to him.

 

[Argamemnon]

And men on these forums think they're too sensitive? In reality, these so called machos are much more sensitive than your average male.

That's typical bullshit usually coming from feminazis. They say "Nice men are not nice". This is the most ridiculous thing I hear (some) women say. It's preposterous.

There is a lot more misandry than misogyny in countries such as the US and Australia.

 

[shygirly]

Amen to that.

 

[Argamemnon]

Also, in the west you have these crazy "no fault" divorce laws, which are anti male in their nature and have given the women the green light to behave badly in a marriage, and get away with it.

Women can cheat on their husbands and get REWARDED with money.

YouTube - Tom Leykis with the "$3 million bitch"

 

[Argamemnon]

I certainly do not hate women, but the truth has to be told.

 

[dottie]

amen.

There is a lot more misandry than misogyny in countries such as the US and Australia.

uh, i have to disagree with this comment entirely. i'm not saying misandry doesn't exist but think about it... there has never been a female president. women get paid less than men for the same work. a prime example of this is paula abdul getting paid $4mill/yr while ryan seacrest is raking in $15mill/yr. but it happens in the regular work world, too. ask almost any female, including your mother, and they will tell you they've worked for lesser wages than a male coworker in the same position. you could go on and on about gender inequalities in society where men 99.9999% have the upper hand. all these inequalities are based on misogyny. take a women's history course.

 

[Tiercel]

I don't recall any particularly obvious woman hating behavior from those He-Man cartoons I saw as a child. Conan, maybe. But He-Man?

And as for the comment about taking a women's history class, I'd rather keep reading about all the pain, suffering, and death with which men's history is rife. My current favorite is World War II.

All hail the stupidity of Man!

 

[Danfalc]

One thing I've noticed about Eminem is that he refuses to say the word "nigger" which we all know to be a nasty racial slur towards blacks and people of African decent, but he has no problem referring to women as "bitches" (I'm not implying that it's okay to spout racial slurs but not misogynistic ones). He knows that he doesn't want to offend blacks because of the possible repercussions, (so much for him being the big brave man who doesn't care what people think of him) but he has no problem saying offensive, violent and vulgar things about women. As many he-man woman haters, he has to defend his hetero credentials (since he bashes women he doesn't want to come across as a "fag") by bashing gay men. It's so typical of macho men.

I'm not sure about that,In all honesty I think its just the "cool" thing to do in rap,to be offensive..calling females bitches and gays offensive names.It is typical macho crap like you say,but it could be more because of his target audience.Being offensive is his sales gimmick.Then again you could be right,he has had bad experience with females in his life,his mum and Kim ect which is no justification by any means though.but still I believe he just likes being offensive more than anything.

And why would he say N***er,not even the hip hop community,rappers ect refers to themselves as that,its N***a they use there is a difference.I think its a personal choice that he doesn't use the N word,because there are other none black rappers who use the N word without lash back eg Fat joe.

Your totally right about him lashing out quickly to any perceived diss,it really is pathetic,rap is like that full stop these days,it has more Drama and cat fighting than a soap.

And Argamemnon try and keep it civil..

 

[Danfalc]

Thanks again for this thread. I really hope that you're a man because I don't hear too many men who have the balls to speak out against this particular issue, lest they be accused of being "fags" or "soft".

And yeah Sabbath is a guy,@ Sabbath good post btw.

 

[Pookah]

While I agree with cutting women slack, I dont agree with them turning this into a man-hating thread. I always defend the women on this site from those women-hating threads because they are so wrong, but please dont hate on men, this isnt the point of the thread. We can go on and on about who is treated worse, or how men are A-holes or how women are B*tches.

We have a lot of threads about how women love assholes or some such. I am not sure but this could be a response to that rather than male-bashing. Some men are like what is described and some women are bitches to be sure. Not all are though, on either side.

 

[no1]

My concern is more with the media, than with women. Both men and women who buy into it are victims themselves but that doesn't mean they are not involved consciously or unconsciously.

Nobody can deny that American media, or any media too has an affect on the population, especially when it is dominated by ideals which are forced into young minds, and adults, that convince the population of it's 'goodness'.

 

[no1]

That's typical bullshit usually coming from feminazis. They say "Nice men are not nice". This is the most ridiculous thing I hear (some) women say. It's preposterous.

There is a lot more misandry than misogyny in countries such as the US and Australia.

so true....

I'm not saying that what Sodini did was right. It was surely wrong. But I think it did not have to get to this point if people were more responsible. So something has to be done. About our youth. About society.

It's hard though, becaue that would mean having to disturb the populatino by taking away things they are addicted to. Like disturbing pornography, disturbing music, disturbing media, etc. which has carried out into disturbing practices, which disturb all of human society, and the ecology, and evolution of this society. So if one were to really take a stand.. do you really think it would go anywhere?

 

[no1]

That's typical bullshit usually coming from feminazis. They say "Nice men are not nice". This is the most ridiculous thing I hear (some) women say. It's preposterous.

There is a lot more misandry than misogyny in countries such as the US and Australia.

This is very true actually. And usually those same women who say this will say that they want a "real man". A real man who does what? Disrepect you?

Actually, many of those "nice guys who aren't nice" are simply acting out of resentment. Not hatred for women. And not like the typical assholes who disrespect women. In fact many of the jerks/a-holes, were nice guys too. But the real nice guys don't turn into those. They may get mad, sad, etc. but they don't turn to complete a-holes/jerks. At least not willingly. It's just.. frustration is a destroyer.

Sodini really looked sick though tbh. Unlike other nice guys.

 

[no1]

Sorry I haven't read the whole thread. I'll have to. I don't hate all women too, I just hate how the media and proported "education" can so easily control them, and men just as well.

Take a look at this: http://glennsacks.com/blog/?p=1851#comment-999784

quote: When I taught high school, students often came to me with their problems. Sometimes the girls would come to me with problems about their boyfriends. Often they would come in groups. Time and time and time again I would see a girl who could have had practically any guy in the school she wanted instead go way, way out of her way to have a relationship with a jerk. (The jerk was often a gang member). Then, when things don't work out with the jerk, or when the jerk acts like, well, a jerk, they are shocked and angry.

I remember one time asking a girl the following question -- "You could pick practically any guy you want. Why don't you just go find a guy who thinks he's lucky to be with you? Who will be good to you because he's a nice, good hearted guy, who is pleased with his good fortune? Why don't you just find a nice guy, and have a relationship with him?

The girl and her two friends giggled, and all three of them practically said the same thing at once -- "Nice is boring."

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I commented on this article. I was the last one to post named "Christopher".

# Christopher Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

People who always use the line that "the brutes/jerks" are more fit to survive than the "nice/good guys", are missing a crucial point.

In actuality, people believe that being brutes/jerks makes you stronger. That's the only reason it would make one stronger. But when the shit hits the fan, the "bad boy" will likely become an outcast of the tribe, for messing around. Jerks only know how to steal things, attention and fame for one. They can't be responsible fathers. They can't even be responsible with themselves and other humans, because they are jerks to them. Once a person sees through his games, he is done with.

So by far once this happens does it actually become clear that the Good Guy/Real Man, wins, and is actually fitter for survival, and fitter for the survival of the Species.
# Christopher Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

Another thing I would like to add, is that... nobody really knows the truth about our nature. That means our evolution as well. The mind affects DNA. If we are "biologically programmed" who do you think programmed this into us? Ourselves! Can we change, for the Betterment of Mankind (evolution)? Of course we can. We are not to be slaves to what we consider "primitive instinct", especially when it does us harm.
# Christopher Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

In the case, we were programmed by another being.. We Still can change. We don't have to be slaves to "primitive instincts" which have supposedly been programmed into us by another. In the end, it's all programming. And the mind can reprogram the brain, and thus the body, though it may take some "work".
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I also believe that justification for promiscuity is wrong, simply because it doesn't fit into my view of the biology of humans. We may have the desire to, but that may be because of conditioning I believe. When it comes down to it, all is just programming, and we can reprogram ourselves. I don't think a human society would thrive with rampant promiscuity. Especially, as regards raising children, and having stable families. Not just morally, and ethically, but biologically as well. It is inhumane.

blah... sorry I'm very tired. my mind is running rampant and I don't even care to fix up the statements I'm quickly spewing out of my mind.

 

[userremoved]

Sodini really looked sick though tbh. Unlike other nice guys.

Hearing the stuff he wrote gave even me the creeps. He said "death lives" so I'm guessing he thought he was the personification of death. I find it hard to believe that this came about because of repeated rejection, but whatever I don't understand the human species any more.

 

[PunkRotten]

TV is crap!

 

[MotherWolff]

Doesn't anyone here know that not all people who hate women are even men let alone he-men(whatever the hell that is)? Uh, there are women who hate women for many of the same reasons men cannot stand them(and no its not merely because they can't get a woman themselves). Its just like how someone can hate their own race for the same reasons a different race can hate on another race.

Plus, I think its a common misconception that men have the upper hand over women in every and all things. This can't be plausible. While men do have some advantages over women(uh, physical strength), women have quite a few of their own too. For example, a married man would get his ass chewed out by the bickering regime of society and religion if he stays home and plays that so called role of "woman"(you know, nuturing the kids, cooking, cleaning, all that good shit) and the woman goes to work playing the role of "man". Now its okay for a woman to work like a man since our society wants to believe that women are actually equal with men, but why is it so wrong for a man to be taken care of the way a woman can if they are truly equal? A woman would NEVER get criticized in that way for working. Yes, society wants her to work so she can be "equal" with man. But if she ever got sick of her job, got injured, laid off, or whatever, then she can fall right back into her "womanly" role as a housewife without criticism from society. In this scenario, either way, its the WOMAN that always seems to win, no not the man.

This is just one of the many reasons you have people(men and women) who hate women.

I don't recall any particularly obvious woman hating behavior from those He-Man cartoons I saw as a child. Conan, maybe. But He-Man?

hey Tiercel.

Lol. Tell me why I was beginning to think this thread was about the the "character" He-man rather than the stereo-type called "he-man" when I read the title?

I don't know too much about He-man, but I love watching those Conan movies even to this day(I like the second one the best since it seems to emphasize more on magic). But I wonder what makes you say Conan might be a woman-hater? I don't remember seeing him exhibit any kind of attributes that would consider him as such. Then again you could be referencing to other media forms of Conan, like the comic books. Now those, I have not even read(yet:.

 

[dottie]

Sounds like you pick really stupid girls to talk to. You talk to little girls who don't know what a real man is? Are those the kind of girls that you go for? Maybe these are the sort of girls that would be a waste of time for a guy who is a genuinely great guy. So I suppose just because some idiot girls agreed that "nice=boring", you think that they're speaking for all women? If so, that is extremely insulting. Why did I go for the good guy then? I had my pick of assholes and guys with nice sports cars. How do you explain my choice?

EXACTLY. what you wrote is exactly what i was going to say! what kind of stupid little girls is he associating with?

yes, women want a "real man". a real man doesn't consider all women promiscuous little tramps. a real man doesn't lump all women together into one false, tv-based stereotype after watching too many girls gone wild commercials. a real man knows women are not like that in reality. a real man doesn't have some odd preoccupation with a car. a real man isn't a brute who treats women like shit.

SURPRISE!

maybe women are such an enigma to you that to make yourself feel more comfortable around them you have to lump them all into a narrow little stereotype? maybe that is what your problem with women is.