hexagon_sun
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I didn't say evil! Tsk tsk! It's just a distraction from the "real" world. I also like spirits on occasion but I don't make it part of my lifestyle. I reserve imbibing for special occasions.
sex trafficking = prostitution
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I didn't say evil! Tsk tsk! It's just a distraction from the "real" world. I also like spirits on occasion but I don't make it part of my lifestyle. I reserve imbibing for special occasions.
Amitush123
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As long as it's not forced, there's nothing wrong with it
You cannot ignore the fact that sex is an urge, desire
And...well, they make a lot of money
You cannot ignore the fact that sex is an urge, desire
And...well, they make a lot of money
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you are living in some sort of fantasy land/warped reality....there are many sex workes who choose it for a living and lifestyle such as the lovely scarlet here in Australia who provides a service for the dissadvantaged. Do you think these people should be deprived of such an experiance because they are disabled?. The ignorance you have shown in your posts frustrates me. Many legal sex workers have a stable home life, a loving husband and family, no abuse problems and enjoy what they do. They make way more then what they would get working in the corporate world and wouldn't trade it for the world..im sorry but you need a reality check.
Pacific_Loner
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Not wanting to continue the argument since it doesn't have much to do with the thread, but I'm just curious as what is your definition of materialism, since you seem to link it with sex & booze.
Luka
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I see what you mean there. I think most people who choose to do this do it voluntarily but this kind of industry is hard to get out of and it's not what they think when they first enter it.
rosewood
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I attended a seminar in town put on by advocates who work directly with young people who are trying to escape the trade.
thegunners21
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And where did they get that info from?
rosewood
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the advocates who gave the presentation have been working in the field for 10 years work directly with the kiddos (under 18) and the some over 18. these kids voluntarily share their experiences with the advocates, it isnt coerced. they come to live at the house to escape the life they had previously.
they do not self identify as victims, because abuse victims often do not know they are victims. for example, women in domestic violence regularly are not truly aware what domestic violence is comprised of, (and neither does general public) and it requires education. and a lot of patience, because it takes time to crawl out of it. same thing here.
the rules are this, they ofer them help, but the kiddos are the ones who have to make the choice and effort. and the ones that can manage it, do.
i do not doubt there are high paid escorts, and i do not doubt there are high paid ladies or men in brothels. i have the distinct feeling though there are many more of the trafficked individuals than not, though.
again, not addressing any group other than american.
thegunners21
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Ok, but this just shows that there are women in the prostitution industry that are coerced into it, but doesn't mean that EVERY prostitute is.
It just shows that sex trade and trafficking exists, which I am pretty sure people know about already.
rosewood
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no, actually, i did not say any were coerced. the usual pattern is that the victim is psychologically "groomed" from the start, and that the person believes the pimp to be their friend or boyfriend. that is why the advocates NEVER say anything bad about the pimp to the victim, because they will just defend them. instead, the advocates focus on helping the victim find help, services, things like that.
the most popular places to find victims are malls and colleges. and, if they in the trade, they won't self identify as a victim, because they dont know they are one.
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Xervello
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Thanks for the thread. I know someone who works as an escort. Her mentally unstable mother pimped her out at the age of thirteen until the girl ran away at seventeen. A few years ago, on a job from her escort service, a guy beat her head to toe. She couldn't even go to a hospital for fear of her past arrest record. Knowing her has really changed my perspective on a lot of things. Prior to this, I was empathic to those who worked in the sex industry, but I'd still laugh at the go-to hooker joke in our culture from comedians, the average person, etc. Not anymore. I have zero tolerance for other people's ignorance and strange abhorrance to women who are trapped in this industry. I think those who enter the sex industry voluntarily are extremely rare. If you want to be literal, yes, they choose to do that for a living but it's mostly because it was their last option. And I think that may have been close to rose's point, but I won't speak for her.
And before people nitpick about choosing that option over another, does anyone with SA here, who struggles with their own choices, have any right to judge another's. If you're born into something, it stays with you your entire life - sometimes no matter how much you want to get out of it.
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Kiwong
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In Australia it is often Asian women who are trafficked. They are coerced to come to Australia, forced into debt, and forced into prostitution to pay the debt. It is not always men who do the coercion. This is an illegal trade. It is a problem that despite complaints and investigation still continues.
Sex Slavery - Four Corners
There are many who enter escort industry under their own free will in legal brothels. I often wonder about the lives of those in the porn an prostitution industries and how their lives have brought them to that decision.
I would not be comfortable going to a prostitute myself, I can't imagine that this lifestyle would be healthy for some women even if they were in it legally. Sometimes when I use porn, afterwards I feel an emptiness inside, but I still use it. I think of the women in the videos and wonder if they are doing drugs or unwell and that I am contributing to that. I am drawn to consider using porn or prostitution out of low self esteem, and after using it my self esteem is worse, and I contribute to an industry in which people are being abused.
Sex Slavery - Four Corners
There are many who enter escort industry under their own free will in legal brothels. I often wonder about the lives of those in the porn an prostitution industries and how their lives have brought them to that decision.
I would not be comfortable going to a prostitute myself, I can't imagine that this lifestyle would be healthy for some women even if they were in it legally. Sometimes when I use porn, afterwards I feel an emptiness inside, but I still use it. I think of the women in the videos and wonder if they are doing drugs or unwell and that I am contributing to that. I am drawn to consider using porn or prostitution out of low self esteem, and after using it my self esteem is worse, and I contribute to an industry in which people are being abused.
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FallenFeathers
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I'm so glad someone brought this topic up, too often people don't really think too deeply about these things. And you bring up a great point Kiwong.
But yeah exactly..even if you take trafficking out of the equation and the sex trade, then a lot of the time, prostitution is still quite tragic.. even when done willingly, it till tends to be wrapped up in tragedy, people doing it out of desperation or as a last resort, because they have a drug habit, because they don't value themselves highly.
Because its illegal in most places too, it's frequently wrapped up in other elements of crime or the people doing it are exploited.
It is important not to generalize, I'm sure there are people who choose to do it, it's called the most honest profession and in places where it's legal and the people are protected you know, maybe it's not all a bad thing and maybe even some of them are quite content. But some people choose to inject Heroin.. just because people choose to do something doesn't make it right or healthy, they know the risks and they are adults, but a lot of the time life has treated them very badly or they hold so little worth on themselves.
Again I'm not making out all prostitutes or escorts are all poor exploited people but I think it's very naive to think it's a harmless profession, more so in the places where it is illegal.
I actually find sex quite repulsive physically unless I feel a bond for the person, but eve if I was sexually liberated and has no issue, I don't think I could ever pay someone for sex, I have seen the misery these peoples some times go through, young girls doing it out of desperation or to feed a drug addiction, they are going to do it anyway sure... but ill not risk feeding their misery just to feel some physical pleasure.
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rosewood
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i really hope that is not how i came off. i want to help these people. not judge them. i could have been one at age 12. that's why i sit in sad admiration of their bravery to run from the horror of their homes (which i think i should have
done) i empathize with them. they seem to be in a lot of cases (that were reported by the advocates) where they are runaways. they are braver than i was and they escaped, but they ran into even worse people than the evil people at home. it is terrible choice to be forced to make. the night i thought about doing it was one of my worst.
Xervello
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No, no, I wasn't directing the 'judge' remark at you. Just at people in general who might.
If you don't mind me asking, what horrors at home have you experienced? If I read that sentence correctly.
rosewood
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i have to be careful how i phrase this or i wind up triggering myself. dad, was very abusive. he was abusive to me and especially at age 11 to 16. would trap me in my bed almost every night. never groomed me. he was very physically abusive to my twin brother. drove me crazy. tried to stick my arm out to protect him. not strong enough. dad former military trained boxer. used his (expletives!!!@@##$$$*&^%$) skills on my skinny little brother one night when he stood up to my dad and yelled at him to leave me alone. this type abuse i have comes equipped with a full set of amnesia. that night the amnesia went away long enough for me to consider completly my circumstances. the only time it did this, until it went away all together in 2004. so i thought about killing my dad, what knife to use, where to stab him, what would happen afterwards, where i would wind up, if i did not kill him, if i ran away, would he hurt my brother like he hurt me. so i stayed. so he would not hurt my brother like he did me. because in my mind, there no gaurantees he would not.