"Researching" anxious thoughts?

[Lea]

You'd be surprised.

Yeah that´s what I was saying, it´s not the information that is available, it´s just people´s stupidity if they choose to believe some nonsense, and then blaim the information for the fact they got brainwashed.. but it´s their fault if they chose to believe it blindly. It seems to me sometimes people sit there like frog on the log and don´t want to make any active effort in distinguishing, refining, seeking the truth in things, only expect to be fed informations that are already complete and sterilely fault free, then they blindly believe them and if they turn out not to be right, they blame those who created them.

 

[Odo]

Yeah that´s what I was saying, it´s not the information that is available, it´s just people´s stupidity if they choose to believe some nonsense, and then blaim the information for the fact they got brainwashed.. but it´s their fault if they chose to believe it blindly. It seems to me sometimes people sit there like frog on the log and don´t want to make any active effort in distinguishing, refining, seeking the truth in things, only expect to be fed informations that are already complete and sterilely fault free, then they blindly believe them and if they turn out not to be right, they blame those who created them.

So where are the 'true' information websites?

 

[Lea]

So where are the 'true' information websites?

mg: Don´t know if you´re kidding now, or really just didn´t get what I was trying to say.

 

[SmileMore]

mg: Don´t know if you´re kidding now, or really just didn´t get what I was trying to say.

I think you need to get over yourself and stop acting like you're above everyone. Talking down to people doesn't make you look intelligent.

 

[NathanielWingatePeaslee]

How did this become about Lea, or critical thinking, or real vs fake information from the web? None of those things are the major problem with self-diagnosis.

mg:

 

[Odo]

mg: Don´t know if you´re kidding now, or really just didn´t get what I was trying to say.

I really don't get what you're trying to say. How exactly does someone 'seek the truth in things'?

 

[SmileMore]

How did this become about Lea, or critical thinking, or real vs fake information from the web? None of those things are the major problem with self-diagnosis.

mg:

No idea. I have no idea what i'm saying anymore. h:

 

[Odo]

How did this become about Lea, or critical thinking, or real vs fake information from the web? None of those things are the major problem with self-diagnosis.

Because online forums are open conversations that can go in a lot of different directions. If you have a problem, then you can hit the report post button and see what the mods say!

 

[NathanielWingatePeaslee]

Because online forums are open conversations that can go in a lot of different directions. If you have a problem, then you can hit the report post button and see what the mods say!

Dude. Rhetorical question. Why it took this turn is painfully obvious. Argue to your heart's content.

:thumbup:

 

[Lea]

Because online forums are open conversations that can go in a lot of different directions. If you have a problem, then you can hit the report post button and see what the mods say!

Completely agree! That´s what I think as well.

 

[Lea]

I really don't get what you're trying to say. How exactly does someone 'seek the truth in things'?

That´s a kind of art everyone must learn within our lives, but it´s nothing that´s taught in school. If it was, that woud be easy. You can learn various subjects in school, but this.. general wisdom or how to call it, cannot be learned, it can only be learned by experience, observation, comparing, thinking a lot about things.. the better you´re at it, the easier it is to distinguish good from bad, true from false or the subtleties and variations in between..

For example, why there were masses of people following false gurus like Osho, or Hitler. Because their teaching SEEMED to be great on the surface. So they get hooked to it uncritically, become blind followers and believe every single thing they say. But we need to question everything, all the time. That´s what many people fail to do. It´s very well described in the book The Road Less Travelled, which I always recommend because it´s one of the greatest books I ever read.

People who are not very good at critical thinking are then often harmful not only to themselves because they become victims of their own ignorance by falling for fake teachnigs or scams, but what´s worse they are often unfair to others, because they don´t get them, or understand them wrongly or twist the trust terribly.

 

[Lea]

None of those things are the major problem with self-diagnosis.

mg:

Maybe they are. All I was saying people need to learn critical thinking, for which internet is a good ground. Nothing wrong with googling their symptoms, that makes them learn. Sure they might make mistakes, but even faulty step is a sign that you´re actually walking. In this life, your intelligence is everything, that´s why it needs to be trained, don´t rely on others! Not only there are many scammers and unfair people around, but also people of deficient intelligence etc., you cannot say when you´re going to a therapist that their diagnosis will be correct. They´re not Gods, they´re only humans who make mistakes, in what are they different from us other humans, they have studied school about psychology, but they might not have that kind of general wisdom, life is not only about what you studied in school, it is an art to make connections between everything as life isn´t a lonely island. By this I do not mean to say all psychologists or doctors are ignorant, as like with everything, there is a scale. Some are very ignorant, then some are average and some are very intelligent. Same with their character which too is important for a doctor/therapist. Some have a good character, while others not so or are in only for the money. Now when you go to a therapist, you don´t know anything in advance about them. How can you know they really have the qualities that are necessary for a therapist to do their job well? In which good intelligence, wisdom and being able to think in depth are crucial.

Also I have noticed, people almost worship the diagoses. But I would regard them only as clues, nothing set in stone. Life is much more complex than putting people into boxes like this.

 

[Flanscho]

Well, if you look stuff up out of mere interest, then that's good. Like, if you wondered about the history of oranges, or how far north the Romans went in Europe, or which was the most famous mathematician of the 18th century.

But if you think that you are seriously ill, go to a specialist, because it's their job to find out what's wrong and how to fix it. They have decades of experience, that you don't.

 

[Lea]

Well, if you look stuff up out of mere interest, then that's good. Like, if you wondered about the history of oranges, or how far north the Romans went in Europe, or which was the most famous mathematician of the 18th century.

But if you think that you are seriously ill, go to a specialist, because it's their job to find out what's wrong and how to fix it. They have decades of experience, that you don't.

Yea, I guess we can do both. What I have done was first researching on my own by reading books and magazines (before internet), or googling after internet started. It´s exactly the research which prompts me to seek some therapist, because it raises my curiosity and makes me want to do something about it.

A couple of years ago I finally got to a specialist which diagnosed me with aspergers. But I had to first assume myself I had it in order to go to this specialist! Before this I have also been to normal psychologists trying to persuade them to send me to a specialist about autism, but they totally refused I might have it. But I didn´t let it deter me, until finally I seeked out the specialist directly. I had to pay it on my own which wasn´t cheap at all, but if I depended on GP´s and psychologists, I´d never have gotten there and never got the diagnosis. So I guess we must first have a clue about what we have ourselves and seek out a therapist or a specialist according to that. We can also research about therapists online or read what they wrote etc., and this way make a picture about them.

Speaking about the specialist I went to, I hope the diagnosis is correct, but what I was very disappointed about was the report she wrote, full of spelling mistakes or incorrect facts, she wrote it in a hurry while I was talking, but hell she´s a specialist and should make sure the report is perfect in every sense, this was horrible.

 

[SmileMore]

Does anyone else have a bad habit of doing this? I've read about those with hypochondria having an tendency to google search symptoms and all that, but for quite a while now I've found myself doing research basically on whatever's been troubling me. Most of the time I only spend a few minutes doing this, but at other times I've wasted an hour or two going through search results. It can be quite frustrating and exhausting.

People who tend to worry or are very anxious probably shouldn't go around searching for illnesses they may have online. I've gotten myself into a state before because i thought i had something but it turned out i didn't. The internet is a useful tool but sometimes it can cause more harm than good as well.

It is good to use your own initiative when it comes to wanting to learn about things and educate yourself but i don't think it should be applied to things like diseases. Only a doctor can really be beneficial.

 

[Odo]

Dude. Rhetorical question. Why it took this turn is painfully obvious. Argue to your heart's content.

:thumbup:

You seemed to be suggesting that the fact that this thread was going in this direction was a negative thing and that we should be getting back on topic... and that this was bothering you.

There is so little genuine communication about what we believe as individuals on this forum that I find it kinda refreshing... even if I don't agree.

 

[Odo]

That´s a kind of art everyone must learn within our lives, but it´s nothing that´s taught in school. If it was, that woud be easy. You can learn various subjects in school, but this.. general wisdom or how to call it, cannot be learned, it can only be learned by experience, observation, comparing, thinking a lot about things.. the better you´re at it, the easier it is to distinguish good from bad, true from false or the subtleties and variations in between..

Your intuition is probably going to serve you better than your emotions for quite a few things... but for your health, I'm pretty sure that you need to involve someone with the proper education. I think this has already been said, though.