Losers are better than quitters

Bo592

Well-known member
Do you agree a Loser is better than a quitter because a Loser will have more experience than the quitter and have learnt more than the person who chose not to try at all. People thank that they are a complete fellers because of the painful rejection that they went though but the truth is that they are much better than the one who did not try at all. better than the ones who just stay on the side lines and wish what would of happen. You gain more from trying and lose more from not trying at all.
 

S_Spartan

Well-known member
Do you agree a Loser is better than a quitter because a Loser will have more experience than the quitter and have learnt more than the person who chose not to try at all. People thank that they are a complete fellers because of the painful rejection that they went though but the truth is that they are much better than the one who did not try at all. better than the ones who just stay on the side lines and wish what would of happen. You gain more from trying and lose more from not trying at all.

You are correct. I am the quintessential "loser", relationships, school, jobs, every try has not turned out well. I started a thread about this a couple of days ago about "dead ends". However, what all these failures have done and continue to do is make me into a hard person. This sounds bad but in reality I'm becoming "hardened" to failure and my dream now is to just not care about failure anymore and just do things, but I'm tired. Life has beaten me down.
My problem in the past is that I really beat myself up inside for my failures and that caused me so much depression and low self esteem.
 

Golem

Active member
Yes, i think that the "losers" are better but all the people make mistakes and learning with these. So we are all a little losers in our lives always wins as loses. The problem is that many people are intolerant of failure :kickingmyself:
 

Srijita52

Well-known member
Yeah, I agree with you, I think its better to try and fail and then try again than to not trying at all.
 

akala

Well-known member
I agree, failure is a part of life; it's sad that some people go through their entire lives trying to avoid it.
 

mikebird

Banned
This is now my life motto!

I should have said this all these years!!

I have put it in a different way: "I've loved every job. I've been fired and never given the reason for it, as ushered out of the door, with beaming smiles"

I never had sickies at school or work. Never took much time for lunch. Tenacious. I never quit. I go overtime and never give up. This is why it's so tough when I feel a prerequisite to be Mr Nice :bigsmile:

This thread subject is much better. I'll use it. I still think any employer / judger will be negative about what I say

..mmmmmmmmmm... the psychologists, recruiters and occupational therapy department are full of wispy, empty, reverse engineering tact who are labelled as 'helpers' who are there to criticise you and tell you what to do. By that morale, I think they put they put their necks on the line by motivated people
 
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Richey

Well-known member
A method that has a powerful impact on people is to create a + | - sheet and it's so simple to do.

so essentially instead of believing you are a failure or a quitter, you do this..well actually, instead of giving up or quitting easily, you see it through as a reward to yourself. find an award, even if it's a metaphor or something you create to make it more likely for you to fulfill the task.


You basically fill up your positives side with anything no matter how basic, fill in the negative too, but think of anything even basic for the positive. The problem is that people believe that a positive has to be a big deal to be considered worthy, like a degree or you must have an award or you it has to be amazing. Wrong. And again this is why so many people have self esteem issues. Keep adding to your positives and work on the problems in the meantime. Get excited about what you can add to the positive side and at the same time, if you're in debt or you want more friends you can see that it needs attention, you can get excited about fixing those problems, like repairing a car or a bike.

So it's kind of like, you want to drive your car, you like your car but it has issues and needs work, same with people.

Keep updating the list, revise it, make the list dynamic and much like a video game try and fix the problems in the story and enjoy adding to the positives, also, very important, be real, if negatives arise, write i down, don't fool yourself either, if you notice something wrong, write that down and start working on it.

if there is one thing you get out of making a comparitive list it's that when someone asks you what your skills are or what qualities you have, you actually now have a long list instead of saying "i don't know" or "probably not alot". But more importantly, you can look at the list and you now know that you are in fact a normal person who has alot of good qualities, more than you realised. Everytime you think you're a loser just look at the list and then the emotional impact will change your mind. Very powerful.


+ plus.............. | ............. minus -
Degree in "" ........In Debt ------- (creating a budget)
Diploma in "" ........ Few friends ----- (organising some outings and joining a club)
Certificate in "" ........Gives Up Easily ----- (working on this as of now)
Drivers License ........Impatient --------- (slowing events down and making more time to react calmly)
Kind Hearted ........Low confidence
Speaks English ........Not opinionated enough
Knows Maths
Likes Music
Great Listener
Has a budget
Rides a Bike
Good Organisation skills
Good at research
Has Empathy
Fixed a friends bike
Completed a major project in college
Goes for walks
Reads Books (Self Education)
Plays video games (helps with problem solving and strategy)
Cooks meals
Can be Funny
...
....

....

and so on
...
...

and so on
....
....

and so on
.....
..

Suddenly you realise you're actually kinda cool. Don't complicate that. Keep it simple. You are just fine and you can add what you want with effort and energy.

All of this is really simple. And believing you are unworthy can be as simple as you repeatedly telling yourself that "you are unworthy", without even questioning the absurdity of such a comment in your mind, break down such a comment, then understand that it's not even logical. You just repeat the words and give a reason why to not try things, but it has no depth behind it. It's just as simple as copping out to avoid potential uncomfort.

Just remember to slow things down and question things, ask "why" when you feel anxious in a room, then sit down and observe how unnecessary self defeating thoughts are.

Also there is nothing wrong with being quiet. Many people are. You just have to learn to be comfortable in not being a chatterbox. You may very well be a chatter box given the right situation for you.

Please. Just relax and look at things more clearly. Also try and look at being motivated to help other people. Like, playing guitar because it will brighten up someone's day or working on a project or task because it will make another person feel good.

I think a problem can be that people focus alot on what will make themselves happy and sometimes trying to make others happy can actually enlighten you to what you REALLY want for yourself anyway. So helping others can fulfill your own direction. Where as just focussing ONLY on what you need may not unlock your purpose, sort of like chasing your tail but never finding it. So instead you shift your focus.
 
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Bo592

Well-known member
A method that has a powerful impact on people is to create a + | - sheet and it's so simple to do.

so essentially instead of believing you are a failure or a quitter, you do this..well actually, instead of giving up or quitting easily, you see it through as a reward to yourself. find an award, even if it's a metaphor or something you create to make it more likely for you to fulfill the task.


You basically fill up your positives side with anything no matter how basic, fill in the negative too, but think of anything even basic for the positive. The problem is that people believe that a positive has to be a big deal to be considered worthy, like a degree or you must have an award or you it has to be amazing. Wrong. And again this is why so many people have self esteem issues. Keep adding to your positives and work on the problems in the meantime. Get excited about what you can add to the positive side and at the same time, if you're in debt or you want more friends you can see that it needs attention, you can get excited about fixing those problems, like repairing a car or a bike.

So it's kind of like, you want to drive your car, you like your car but it has issues and needs work, same with people.

Keep updating the list, revise it, make the list dynamic and much like a video game try and fix the problems in the story and enjoy adding to the positives, also, very important, be real, if negatives arise, write i down, don't fool yourself either, if you notice something wrong, write that down and start working on it.

if there is one thing you get out of making a comparitive list it's that when someone asks you what your skills are or what qualities you have, you actually now have a long list instead of saying "i don't know" or "probably not alot". But more importantly, you can look at the list and you now know that you are in fact a normal person who has alot of good qualities, more than you realised. Everytime you think you're a loser just look at the list and then the emotional impact will change your mind. Very powerful.


+ plus.............. | ............. minus -
Degree in "" ........In Debt ------- (creating a budget)
Diploma in "" ........ Few friends ----- (organising some outings and joining a club)
Certificate in "" ........Gives Up Easily ----- (working on this as of now)
Drivers License ........Impatient --------- (slowing events down and making more time to react calmly)
Kind Hearted ........Low confidence
Speaks English ........Not opinionated enough
Knows Maths
Likes Music
Great Listener
Has a budget
Rides a Bike
Good Organisation skills
Good at research
Has Empathy
Fixed a friends bike
Completed a major project in college
Goes for walks
Reads Books (Self Education)
Plays video games (helps with problem solving and strategy)
Cooks meals
Can be Funny
...
....

....

and so on
...
...

and so on
....
....

and so on
.....
..

Suddenly you realise you're actually kinda cool. Don't complicate that. Keep it simple. You are just fine and you can add what you want with effort and energy.

All of this is really simple. And believing you are unworthy can be as simple as you repeatedly telling yourself that "you are unworthy", without even questioning the absurdity of such a comment in your mind, break down such a comment, then understand that it's not even logical. You just repeat the words and give a reason why to not try things, but it has no depth behind it. It's just as simple as copping out to avoid potential uncomfort.

Just remember to slow things down and question things, ask "why" when you feel anxious in a room, then sit down and observe how unnecessary self defeating thoughts are.

Also there is nothing wrong with being quiet. Many people are. You just have to learn to be comfortable in not being a chatterbox. You may very well be a chatter box given the right situation for you.

Please. Just relax and look at things more clearly. Also try and look at being motivated to help other people. Like, playing guitar because it will brighten up someone's day or working on a project or task because it will make another person feel good.

I think a problem can be that people focus alot on what will make themselves happy and sometimes trying to make others happy can actually enlighten you to what you REALLY want for yourself anyway. So helping others can fulfill your own direction. Where as just focussing ONLY on what you need may not unlock your purpose, sort of like chasing your tail but never finding it. So instead you shift your focus.
Thank you Richey, I am always looking for somthing that I can use in my head. My thoughts seem to be ware my problem is . I would like to here more trick and tools that I can use in my head to help me out.
 

laure15

Well-known member
This is my opinion: sometimes, it's best to know when to quit than to keep going and incur irreversible losses. For example, companies take on many projects a year. If a project is not generating profits, this project should be abandoned before heavy losses are incurred. Here is another example: when I attended school out of town, I borrowed over 10K to cover my tuition and living costs. I dropped out before I could incur more debt. If I had continued, I would have ended up with 30K+ in student loans. Now I'm attending a cheaper uni where I don't have to borrow any loans.
 

Metal_isthe_Answer

Well-known member
This is my opinion: sometimes, it's best to know when to quit than to keep going and incur irreversible losses. For example, companies take on many projects a year. If a project is not generating profits, this project should be abandoned before heavy losses are incurred. Here is another example: when I attended school out of town, I borrowed over 10K to cover my tuition and living costs. I dropped out before I could incur more debt. If I had continued, I would have ended up with 30K+ in student loans. Now I'm attending a cheaper uni where I don't have to borrow any loans.

Thats a much better way of stating what I was trying to say.
For me example of relationships, I quit trying because the happiness of the relationship is less than my happiness gained from my hobbies.
Would I have time to play games, draw, record music etc while maintaining a serious relationship? Doubtful, I willingly stop trying
 

laure15

Well-known member
Thats a much better way of stating what I was trying to say.
For me example of relationships, I quit trying because the happiness of the relationship is less than my happiness gained from my hobbies.
Would I have time to play games, draw, record music etc while maintaining a serious relationship? Doubtful, I willingly stop trying

There's a concept in business called opportunity cost. People choose the best option and forsake the other, less favorable alternatives. In your case, you chose hobbies because they give you the greatest amount of happiness in contrast to relationships which you had to forgo.
 

kotulakj2

Member
Losers are way better than quitters. I think the problem with quitters is that they don't know how to deal with rejection if and when it comes their way. I can relate to it a lot in my life avoiding people, because I wasn't that interesting or fun loving so I hated when people would talk about me and call me weird. Thing is how well someone deals with rejection depends on how much rejection they deal with in their life. If you are a quitter, you're less likely to handle rejection well compared to a loser who will of course still hate being rejected, but not let it take over their life to a point where they avoid things. I'm kind of that person who has a history of avoiding people, but I realize that's not the way to go about things. Sure I'm quiet because it's who I am, but those people who reject you are obviously not caring about the type of unique individual you are. I would have to believe as much rejection people have to deal with in their life, it all evens out in the end to where you also get accepted by people. Obviously if it doesn't, then it means one is obviously running into the wrong kind of people. Every person should have plenty of people who accept them for who they are. Quitters unfortunately will never know this unless they are more aggressive in life.
 

Bo592

Well-known member
Losers are way better than quitters. I think the problem with quitters is that they don't know how to deal with rejection if and when it comes their way. I can relate to it a lot in my life avoiding people, because I wasn't that interesting or fun loving so I hated when people would talk about me and call me weird. Thing is how well someone deals with rejection depends on how much rejection they deal with in their life. If you are a quitter, you're less likely to handle rejection well compared to a loser who will of course still hate being rejected, but not let it take over their life to a point where they avoid things. I'm kind of that person who has a history of avoiding people, but I realize that's not the way to go about things. Sure I'm quiet because it's who I am, but those people who reject you are obviously not caring about the type of unique individual you are. I would have to believe as much rejection people have to deal with in their life, it all evens out in the end to where you also get accepted by people. Obviously if it doesn't, then it means one is obviously running into the wrong kind of people. Every person should have plenty of people who accept them for who they are. Quitters unfortunately will never know this unless they are more aggressive in life.

what you said is a much better way of putting it then how I said it Thank you. :thumbup::kickingmyself:
 
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