Lady Gaga's "born this way"

[pinkputter]

Did you want me to link specific scientific articles/journals that link social anxiety to chemical imbalances of the brain etc that are inherited? Are you denying the biological causes?

WTH.......what have I been saying this whole time people?! do I need to repeat my posts. I'll go copy them again. I believe in the impact GENES have on a person's life. My points were proving that experience ALONE doesn't make you who you are........what's the other part? Genes.

Articles not necessary though I appresh the thought.

 

[DespairSoul]

Let's face it> I don't agree anyone can be anything what he want to be. Maybe if u wanna be gay u can be gay, but if i wanna be super sciencist and work on it hard, isn't mean i would be. Is only building dreams and believes, and feeding hopes that u believe is something what make your live full-valued and u go forward for your dreams, u can come closer but isn't mean your dream will come true and u will be what u wish be, this is the same as i would want to be singer and i will very well know i sing not good enough i can work on it but that's all i will never have the same chances as person what born with a gift like a talent,just exampel. Lady don't send us any hiden messiges is bussines.

 

[Pookah]

WTH.......what have I been saying this whole time people?! do I need to repeat my posts. I'll go copy them again. I believe in the impact GENES have on a person's life. My points were proving that experience ALONE doesn't make you who you are........what's the other part? Genes.

Articles not necessary though I appresh the thought.

Your original post blatantly says "when it comes to social anxiety, I DON'T think we were 'born this way' "

Now maybe I take things too literally (I am an aspie) but this would lead me to conclude you did not think anxiety could be a trait passed on via genetics and therefore it wasn't something you could be born with. Like it was something you did to yourself.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

No, I'm sure she didn't. (i agree with you)But the people who said that's not the meaning ARE correct...she wants everyone to love themselves for who they are and its undoubtedly channeling some gay rights messages as well. My point is, the song means whatever meaning YOU give to it, I just didn't want some one on this forum to interperut it that way, though I feel like some will regardless. I feel like a lot of the negative posts on this forum stem from, "oh dear god, you cursed me with these genes and I'm just born this way and I can't ever change." and my answer to that is, no, you shouldn't limit yourself, you can be whoever you want to be.

Lady Gaga is known for being a supporter of the gay rights movement so that's the first thing that came to mind when I heard the song. However, I'm sure it was meant to inspire people outside of the LGBT community as well.
Again, I appreciate the message Lady Gaga is trying to convey, but I personally was not inspired or profoundly touched by it. I hope that someone out there may.
I can also appreciate the point you are making, though I'm not going to argue whether genetics play a role in the development of social anxiety, simply because I do not know enough. Doctors themselves don't completely comprehend what causes SAD. I know that the genetic vs environment debate is ongoing, but they still don't have any concrete answers.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

what articles are you referring to?

I am not about to ruin your night by pointing them out to you. Believe me, you're better off not knowing. I add this to the list of things I wish I could unlearn...

 

[NathanielWingatePeaslee]

I can imagine how heartbreaking it must be for the parents...

I honestly can't. Not that it's likely to come up, but things like this are one of the reasons the idea of having a kid scares the CRAP out of me.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

Let's face it> I don't agree anyone can be anything what he want to be. Maybe if u wanna be gay u can be gay, but if i wanna be super sciencist and work on it hard, isn't mean i would be. Is only building dreams and believes, and feeding hopes that u believe is something what make your live full-valued and u go forward for your dreams, u can come closer but isn't mean your dream will come true and u will be what u wish be, this is the same as i would want to be singer and i will very well know i sing not good enough i can work on it but that's all i will never have the same chances as person what born with a gift like a talent,just exampel. Lady don't send us any hiden messiges is bussines.

Mmhmm *nods in approval*

 

[pinkputter]

Your original post blatantly says "when it comes to social anxiety, I DON'T think we were 'born this way' "

Now maybe I take things too literally (I am an aspie) but this would lead me to conclude you did not think anxiety could be a trait passed on via genetics and therefore it wasn't something you could be born with. Like it was something you did to yourself.

No that's not what I meant and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

I honestly can't. Not that it's likely to come up, but things like this are one of the reasons the idea of having a kid scares the CRAP out of me.

What causes these diseases?

 

[pinkputter]

Lady Gaga is known for being a supporter of the gay rights movement so that's the first thing that came to mind when I heard the song. However, I'm sure it was meant to inspire people outside of the LGBT community as well.
Again, I appreciate the message Lady Gaga is trying to convey, but I personally was not inspired or profoundly touched by it. I hope that someone out there may.
I can also appreciate the point you are making, though I'm not going to argue whether genetics play a role in the development of social anxiety, simply because I do not know enough. Doctors themselves don't completely comprehend what causes SAD. I know that the genetic vs environment debate is ongoing, but they still don't have any concrete answers.

Right, and I'm there with you that I don't know which, nature or nurture, affects what. They may not have concrete answers yet, but one thing that HAS been proved is that BOTH play a part. Not just one or the other.

 

[NathanielWingatePeaslee]

What causes these diseases?

Depends on the disease. Sometimes, like in Tay-Sachs, it's a recessive trait that neither parent knew they were carrying--like two brown-eyed parents having a blue-eyed baby. Sometimes something goes wrong with the chromosomes of the sperm try to hook up with those of the egg, sometimes it's a spontaneous mutation. It all depends.

 

[Sinar_Matahari]

Right, and I'm there with you that I don't know which, nature or nurture, affects what. They may not have concrete answers yet, but one thing that HAS been proved is that BOTH play a part. Not just one or the other.

Ja. When my therapist told me that there might be a genetic factor to my SA, I was not too happy. If you tell me that this is something I can simply unlearn, that's great, but if it's something inate then it will always be with me...

 

[Pookah]

No that's not what I meant and I'm sorry if it came across that way.

I'm sorry if I was argumentative. I saw the first post and was concerned that it be thought there might not be underlying brain structure/chemistry that may have contributed and must also be addressed.

SA can be somewhat of an individual experience. I know some people have had later onset and there are those who cannot remember anything different. The autism and the SA go hand in hand for me from childhood. They both can be improved but not cured for me.

 

[DespairSoul]

Mmhmm *nods in approval*

With wich point of my post u disagree

 

[Illusions]

Er, well, I really do think I was "born this way" because I've been like this for as long as I can remember. It's likely that I inherited the genes, family members from BOTH sides of my family have had issues with anxiety. (Though how I was brought up may have played a part.)

Oh, and with regards to the song: I think it's so-so. Not her best. I can't even remember what it sounds like.

 

[JamesSmith]

This sounds like u misinterpreted what people say when they say that they are born with anxiety, OP. I am one of those people that say we are born with anxiety. There has been research done that confirms that anxiety is partially genetic and then of course nurture has something to do with anxiety as well.
Don?t Worry, Be Happy: Is Anxiety Genetic? - DivineCaroline

I'm not saying that anxiety can not be cured. I'm sure there are many people that have had an anxiety disorder and overcome it to some extent. Of course we shouldn't just accept that we have anxiety and never do anything to try to get rid of the anxiety. But you can't shake the fact that many of us are born into anxiety genetically. It is not a choice to be shy. If it was so easy to "just not be shy," then there wouldn't be this site because SAD wouldn't be such a big issue.

 

[R3K]

i have a hard time believing environment and outside factors has a large hand in making someone social phobic. and i'm sure it can easily seem like it does, but then i wonder if it's just timing. maybe the person is genetically predisposed to SA, but it just decides not to show up until they've had a traumatic life experience at some random point. maybe someone can be fine and social, as they're surrounded by nice people and family all the way up until jr high before bully no.x shows up in their life and triggers the burried SA.

is that called SA by "outside environmental" factors, or is it just the "pre-programmed" SA with bad timing?

 

[maiato]

Honestly do not think the issue raises many questions! Obviously that social anxiety is not "born" with us. I never heard anyone who was diagnosed with AS through a blood test, an X-ray or any other foolproof method!

 

[NathanielWingatePeaslee]

Honestly do not think the issue raises many questions! Obviously that social anxiety is not "born" with us. I never heard anyone who was diagnosed with AS through a blood test, an X-ray or any other foolproof method!

How about an abnormally structured amygdala?

You're awfully quick to declare a matter settled which doctors are still trying to figure out.

 

[hoddesdon]

How about an abnormally structured amygdala?

You're awfully quick to declare a matter settled which doctors are still trying to figure out.

That very article says:

"The question whether amygdala activation is primarily abnormal and affects other brain systems or whether it responds “normally” to an abnormal pattern of information conveyed by other brain structures remained unanswered."

The structure of the amydala may be a symptom, not a cause.

The fact that some people do recover suggests "that social anxiety is not 'born' with us", or is destiny.