Can't stop staring at people

SoScared

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^check out this paper
STARTLE RESPONSE IN GENERALIZED ANXIETY DISORDER

William J. Ray, Ph.D., Christine Molnar, Ph.D., Deane Aikins, Alissa Yamasaki, Ph.D.,
Michelle G. Newman, Ph.D., Louis Castonguay, Ph.D., and Thomas D. Borkovec, Ph.D.
 
I stare at everyone in my class and they think i hate them. They now treat me like animal. Nobody respect me. I have no friends in collage. Is this Pandas or not i don't know but this is killing me everyday. Where are you guys. Help
 
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DanielLewis

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That has never been a problem with me, unless it's a really hot girl who I might glance at, but not stare creepily.

Avoiding social contact won't help you at all. That's how I got worse and SA became worse for me. It was due to years of avoiding social contact and spending most of my time alone. I accepted it then, but now I'm doing what I need to do to change.

Don't focus so much on yourself by wondering "what do people think of me? how do I look?" Detach yourself completely from the opinions of others. I don't mean that if your boss tells you to do something you ignore him. I mean you can't let other people's opinions control your life and prevent you from being happy as yourself. When you think about it, caring so much about what others think of us is absolutely ridiculous. It's letting figments of other people's imagination, simply thoughts, control you when you should be walking through this world freely. What a waste of a life to walk through this world so worried about others thoughts and what freedom it is to walk detached from them.
 

Xion

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The same thing happens to me too.. Its happening to me for days now.. I am the only one who sit apart from everyone in my class. It is to stop staring at them but even it doesn't work anymore. I get very huge shocks when someone notices when I am looking at them.. And whenever they notice me staring at them, they glare at me like they were going to kill me.. I am also searching for a solution to this problem
 

supersix

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i am sorry to say its not just phobia it is also a neurological disorder which also include host of other anxiety related problem. please check this link Staring as a symptom - PANS / PANDAS (Lyme included) - ACN Latitudes Forums. my condition is little bit better. i am not taking any form of meds right now. i am thinking of seenig myself to a neurologist. becasue the problem is not thought releated. my ssri meds helped me to think clearly but at the same time it made my ocd and paranoia worse. so i get rid of them. heres a link of pandas specealist you can join to his group https://www.facebook.com/groups/PANDAS.PANS.INSTITUTE/
 
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supersix

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Below is a post compiled from many parent’s experience on this site of OCD in a PANDAS child. Since these behaviors are rarely discussed at the bus stop, and most parents are unaware of the actual manifestations of OCD beyond hand-washing, we thought we’d list some here. We are not doctors or therapists, so these are just our parental thoughts. (I’m sure this is repetitive, but want to get it up tonight. I’ll try to edit it down a little & clean it up tomorrow night. When you reply, don’t include this post, or this thread will be impossibly long!)

In order to be diagnosed with PANDAS a child must be diagnosed with OCD or a tic disorder first and foremost. In order for a child to be diagnosed with OCD, Obsessions and Compulsions (or Rituals) need to take up at least 1 hour of the child’s day. Many doctors are unaware of the symptoms of OCD, and will not be able to recognize the behaviors. If some of the below is severe enough to impact your child’s abilities in school, at home, at activities, or are causing your child unhappiness or anxiety, you may wish to consider OCD as a diagnosis. Many parents find that interrupting a ritual will cause extreme anxiety, to the point that the child will fight or rage to get back to the ritual. Some parents see panic attacks when rituals are interrupted or cannot be completely correctly. All of the OCD behaviors may often be considered "normal" but it is the severity and frequency that sets it apart. Obsessive Compulsive Tendencies are very common and normal in children. It becomes a disorder when it interferes with their life

Obsessions are: Intrusive (come into your mind without your wanting them), Irrational (concern things that make no sense or go beyond rational), Recurrent (keep replaying), Disturbing, and Anxiety Producing. I find sometimes that with young children, that because they do not always have "insight" that the thought or behavior is not normal, sometimes they are not Disturbed or Anxious, so long as they can perform their compulsion. Adults know the compulsion (behavior) is odd, and that causes them additional anxiety. Sometimes kids only become anxious if the ritual is interrupted.

Categories for Obsessions are: Contamination, Harm to Self or Others, Symmetry Urges (or "Just Right" OCD), Doubting, Numbers, Scrupulosity, Magical thinking, Hoarding, and Sexual Themes.

Categories for Compulsions are: Washing & Cleaning, Checking, Symmetry, Counting, Repeating/Redoing, Hoarding, and Praying. The tricky thing is that there are so many ways for the compulsion to manifest, and there is no logic to what compulsion gets attached to the obsession. Usually we see the compulsion in the child - and they may not be able to explain (or want to explain) the obsession behind that ritual. So I'll just put things where they seem to go so that other parents can see our examples.

Certain obsessions do tend to link up with specific rituals a lot of the time. www.OCDChicago.org does a good job of illustrating this - they start like this:
Fear of contamination or germs... . leads to .....Washing/ cleaning
Fear of harm or danger.. . leads to ......Checking
Fear of losing something valuable. . leads to ......Hoarding
Fear of violating religious rules . . . . . leads to .....Preoccupation with religious observances
Need for symmetry. . leads to .....“Evening up” or arranging
Need for perfection. . leads to ......Seeking reassurance or doing things “just right”
So now for our parent list of OCD behaviors (if you strongly feel these are in the wrong category, let me know why & we can move them). Some of these may be repetitive, but hopefully the examples will help parents understand what OCD looks like in a child.

Contamination:
* Obsessive hand washing, due to fear of germs or stickiness or chemicals. Signs of this are often red chapped hands, children using the restroom more than is normal, long washing or bathing rituals, needing to wash in a specific order, extreme amounts of soap being used, huge amount of laundry being created (each towel touched only once, for example)
* obsessive need to pee
* obsessively sure that all pee or poop is not out, or that they are not clean - often leading to a compulsion of obsessive wiping.
* brushing teeth for a long period of time
* inability to eat certain foods previously liked.
* refusal to brush teeth, bathe, or change clothes
* fear of germ or chemicals
* worry of choking on food - asking for food to be cut into small pieces
* inability to touch certain things, such as food, clothing or toys that were previously loved.
* repeating sounds others make, especially a cough or a sneeze
* spitting germs
* Obsessive concern about throwing up
* avoidance of certain places or people or things previously enjoyed, such as restaurants, birthday parties
* inability to touch other children when playing age appropriate games.
* Inability to use public restrooms or bathrooms at school or friends homes. Accidents can be a sign (children may hold it rather than use a contaminated bathroom). * Inability to use certain bathrooms in the home. Inability to enter a bathroom without assistance.
* If they all of a sudden ask you to wipe them in the bathroom when they have been self sufficient for awhile.
-Breathing off to the side.
-Having to get their own utensils. Keeping utensils separate from others
-Aversion to glue, glitter, etc. This could be sensory or OCD
* Insisting on certain cup / straw / plate- to the point that it is that or nothing
* Walking with closed fists
-Wiping hands on pants over and over after touching something.
-Needing to spin or shake after doing something like passing a specific person or a certain room
-Needs to get their own food
-Needs to eat self contained foods like cheese in a wrapper, applesauce from a single serve container
"Is this fat on my leg?"

Harm to Self or Others
* Worrying about one of their actions causing harm to another, such as “I cannot touch that black square on the floor or my sister will be in a car wreck” or “I need to hug my mom, or she will die”. This is also an example of magical thinking.
* Inability to separate from a parent or authority figure. Sometimes this is to the point that a parent will feel that their child is permanently attached – they cannot play alone, be in another room without panicking.
* extreme worry about weather or robbers - accompanied by repetitive rituals such as a repetitive thoughts (“if I pray to God in just the right way, robbers won’t come”), repetitive actions (“if I check the lock, the robbers can’t come”) or magical thought (“if I touch the light switch 3 times, robbers will not come”),
*every safety message we'd ever sent turned into a crippling fear eg never put plastic bags over your head became a terrifying fear of anything plastic touching her face, not wanting to go near plug sockets, worrying that bath water will be too hot.
-If someone in the family gets hurt, they need reassurance over and over it will not happen to them
* Fears that I (mom) was going to die- would keep him up all night crying
* Fears that a monster was going to get him, if alone, in our bathrooms at home or a public restroom- would rather pee/poop in pants (at stores, friends house, school) than to say out loud that he had to go to the bathroom- or to go by himself ( I guess monsters would hear him if he said it out loud
* repeating certain words or mantra – this could really go anywhere – it is usually an example of magical thinking to ward of whatever the “bad” thing is that they think will happen. But it is often to ward off “harm” of some kind

Symmetry Urges (or “just right” OCD)
* Repetitively saying certain things, or asking others to say things in specific ways, tones, etc.
* lining up things such as toys or pencils.
* repetitively touching certain things
* inability to put hands in certain positions
* retracing steps
* going in and back out of doorways
* turning light switches on and off
* counting toys
* insistence on a certain order of events (such as reading certain books in only a certain order)
* counting toys
* putting together sets of items
* insistence on a certain order of events (such as reading certain books in only a certain order)
* upset that they can't stop blinking or breathing and trying to stop
* Saying goodnight has to be done a very specific way. If you vary it, the anxiety rises and they need you to start over
-Pushing chair in until it is just right, then making sure the chair is "even'. Sit, fix chair. * Look left, look right. Make sure it's even
* Can't cross over numbers when using calculator/computer...my son is in GT Algebra class and it took him six hours to complete a test because he can't "go across/over numbers”. He must move his hand around the calculator to the numbers on the outside first and if he touches another key he must start again...same thing with letters on the computer.
* breathing in before reading each new sentence..
* can't sit on lines in carpet
*Fussing with plate until just right. He'd turn and twist it until it was the way he needed it to be
* Eating problems as a result of being unable to disengage from compulsive behaviors. My daughter is lining things up- I can spoon feed her during it, but she will not come away from it to eat or feed herself.
-Has to tell you when to stop pouring a drink. The drink needs to be at a certain level
-Messing with seatbelts over and over
-Wear the same clothes over and over
* needing games to be played perfectly, played by different rules, or being unable to lose

Doubting
* Constantly asking for reassurance on the same/similar topic (ex: am I sick, will I get sick, did I do that) This could fall in a lot of categories
* inability to make a previously simple decision for fear of consequences (sometimes logical, sometimes just a fear of it being a wrong decision). This could fall in a lot of categories
* checking doors to make sure they are locked (Doubting often causes “checking”
* constantly changing mind- fear of wrong decision
* Perfectionism - often seen in erasing work until the paper rips
* asking permission? My dd even now asks permission to close her eyes to go to sleep. She can't fall asleep unless I tell her it's OK to close her eyes and she asks permission to do things like go to the bathroom, things that she should be able to just run and do at home.
* apologizing
* You have to repeat back what the child says because they need to make sure you heard them (this could also be “just right”)
* Explaining...explaining, and explaining. "I didn't mean it like that, what I meant was...and do you understand? Do you understand, no, no, no, you don't understand MAMA!...I didn't mean it like that, Papa do you see? I meant it like THAT...PAPA, I want you to understand, but Mama, did you hear me, I wanted to do it like that, not THAT--" All punctuated by the periodic scream--this may appear to be normal of course in young children, but to this constant extreme it is perseveration on ideas and/or actions..

Numbers and Colors
* Fixation on a certain number - such as needing to do, repeat, touch something 7 times.
* Fixation on a certain number as being bad - such as being unable to read anything with the number 7 on it (such as page 7, the 7th sentence, etc.
* needing a parent to say certain things an amount of times before a task is complete
* child would fill up an entire piece of paper just writing "4" over and over until there was no room left. Open the fridge and can't pick something out until he counted to "4". Had to say good night 4 times.
* Favorite color- had to wear the same Red PJs everyday, only color with red crayon (if the crayon would break it would result in crying for SEVERAL hours- only that particular red crayon would do) only swing on red swing (if someone was on it- he would have anxiety and once attacked the child)
Scrupulosity
* need to confess "bad things" such as unkind behavior to another child
* feeling that they have cheated on tests or in school
* worry about being "bad"
* Obsessive confessing (in stated or written form) often for no apparent reason,

Magical Thinking
* obsessive magical thinking such as “if I think it, it will happen... calling brother a furball then worrying that he will become a furball”
*unable to make a small letter “g” in school for fear that something bad will happen. U Made all small “g’s” in cursive, no matter how corrected.
* touching a green block in the carpet and then saying..."Great, now I have to marry a green person"
Hoarding
* Refusing to throw out odd things such as tissue, paper, empty juice boxes. A child may obsess over these for long times (weeks) if they are disposed of. They may go into the trash to get them back.

Sexual Themes: we did not have examples of these from our parents. These are rarely discussed outside of the home and therapist, but they are a common form of OCD. Children may have an obsession that they will look at another’s private parts, or think they have touched them. They many have compulsions such as confessing intrusive thoughts, avoiding looking at other people, staring at the floor, wearing hair over their eyes, or not speaking to others. This can be very difficult for a child to communicate.

Intrusive Thoughts of Violence to self or Others: Technically this would fall into harm of self or others – but similarly to Sexual Themes, this is often not talked about. Children may become afraid that they will hurt another person. They may have vivid scenarios about how this could happen. They may ask questions, ask for reassurance, refuse to be in the room with a person, refuse to touch or be near a knife, etc. They may refuse to watch TV with anything frightening (past age appropriate times) for fear that seeing the event will make it happen (magical thinking). This was also not elaborated on by our parents.

Other areas related to OCD:
• Anorexia
o "Will this make me gain weight?"
"Does this have sugar in it?"
"Is this fat on my leg?"
"Will this make me weigh more than 50 lbs?"
• Trichotillomania (hair pulling)

Treatment: on this forum, we find that children with PANDAS need to be treated medically first. Antibiotics, IVIG & PEX are discussed, and you will find great advice on these topics. Personally, we found that medical treatment was the most helpful piece of the puzzle. For a great Q&A, go to
http://www.latitudes...?showtopic=6142. And for a comprehensive fact sheet, go to : http://www.latitudes...?showtopic=6128


For us, use of CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) and especially ERP (Exposure & Ritual Prevention) was a useful assistance during difficult times (although in an extreme sudden onset, children may not be in a position to learn these tools) – and has been a great tool as we dial down from an episode. Others have found these tools to be helpful as well. For parents that decide that their child does not have PANDAS, then ERP is the recommended therapy for treating “traditional OCD”. You can find great resources at www.ocdfoundation.org. If nothing else, doing ERP with the child will help them find some sense of power over the situation that they find themselves in. And that alone was worth it for our child. If you would like to read more about these tools, you can find a great workbook for kids on Amazon “What to do When Your Brain Gets Stuck – a kid’s guide to OCD”. My daughter was so delighted to discover that there was a book all about this challenge – and that she was not alone.
 

supersix

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go here if you guys wanted to do more research Helpful Threads & Links for PANDAS - PANS / PANDAS (Lyme included) - ACN Latitudes Forums and anyone new to this disorder i would suggest them to seek treatment immedietly before it ruins your life. you dont have to hide what is going on inside your head from your family. tell them what you are going through there is no need to feel like an stranger in your own home. no matter what happend to you do not stop going out side if you once locked yourself in home there is a bigger possibility that you may become housebound later. tell your friends what you are going through so you dont have to lose them. http://pandasnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/PANDAS-OT-Article.pdf and https://iocdf.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/PANDAS-Fact-Sheet.pdf and
 
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Moses199

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Anybuddy get out of this staring and sa problem
Please tell me how?
This is destroying my life day by day
I got over this by exposing myself to it little by litte...it's crazy how i told people this but now one will try it! Exposure is the best thing for making this go away. I can stay near people know and not peripherally stare at them at all. And i used to have this in a SEVERE level, meaning i make every one uncomfortable AF.
 

supersix

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During my session with my doc we discovered thatnot both of my eyes cause same level of anxiety. Its my left eye that cause the intense anxiety but with the right eye the anxiety cause less pressure. 2nd problem is there there is ongoing pain at the left side of my brain. I always felt someone is pulling down my left eye. I told him this. My doc didn't want me to put on long term antibiotics because it might harm my body. Instead he gave me this (reset plus 100 mg a form of paracitamol) I took it two month. Srangely enough it reduce my anxiety and both paranoia. It was given to reduce my left eye pain. My doc also said stress might also played a role here. But we found out that I actually might have ocd in thought form but also my over religious nature might be a form of ocd. Before this incident happen I was very religious. But the constant thought were like whether god exist or not, saying bad word to god even though I necer wanted to but I cant control it, insane fear of sin which he said is not normal. I also had to say certain words all the time even if I know it was irrational. I also have body dismorphia and have problem with holding attention. My behavior was not age appropriate. Which we are both are working on. Now he conclude growing up in a stressful situation and never get treatment for my strep infection might play the biggest factor here. Because I never took meds for my strep throught. Because I knew it will go away in a matter of week. Now he reffered me to a neuroligist and my strep titre is still positive. Although its scale is less now.
 
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During my session with my doc we discovered thatnot both of my eyes cause same level of anxiety. Its my left eye that cause the intense anxiety but with the right eye the anxiety cause less pressure. 2nd problem is there there is ongoing pain at the left side of my brain. I always felt someone is pulling down my left eye. I told him this. My doc didn't want me to put on long term antibiotics because it might harm my body. Instead he gave me this (reset plus 100 mg a form of paracitamol) I took it two month. Srangely enough it reduce my anxiety and both paranoia. It was given to reduce my left eye pain. My doc also said stress might also played a role here. But we found out that I actually might have ocd in thought form but also my over religious nature might be a form of ocd. Before this incident happen I was very religious. But the constant thought were like whether god exist or not, saying bad word to god even though I necer wanted to but I cant control it, insane fear of sin which he said is not normal. I also had to say certain words all the time even if I know it was irrational. I also have body dismorphia and have problem with holding attention. My behavior was not age appropriate. Which we are both are working on. Now he conclude growing up in a stressful situation and never get treatment for my strep infection might play the biggest factor here. Because I never took meds for my strep throught. Because I knew it will go away in a matter of week. Now he reffered me to a neuroligist and my strep titre is still positive. Although its scale is less now.
What disease doctor diagnose you? panda or ocd or any other
 

supersix

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first diagnosed me with ocd based on my compulsion at looking at private parts which is not under my control. then my all my test came normal. then i suggest him i might have pandas based on my online findings and my onset of ocd, sudden social phobia he ordered aso test which came positive not only it came positive it was pretty high considering my age. then he diagnosed me with pandas. he never heard of staring symptom before. may i ask what was your diagnosis?
 
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first diagnosed me with ocd based on my compulsion at looking at private parts which is not under my control. then my all my test came normal. then i suggest him i might have pandas based on my online findings and my onset of ocd, sudden social phobia he ordered aso test which came positive not only it came positive it was pretty high considering my age. then he diagnosed me with pandas. he never heard of staring symptom before. may i ask what was your diagnosis?
i am not yet go to doctor
And what are your symptoms. Do stare at private parts while talking or while walking around streets
 
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