Can't stop staring at people
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supersix
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I would suggest you first you see a therqpist. Do all the strep test also test for other viral infections. These test will help you to find any bactirial colonize inside your body. Anti biotics may not alone solve your problem. You will also need ssri (your therapist determine which one is best for you) and cognitive Behavioral Therapy. I am writing down some self help book which i belive will useful for you. Download all the book written by Karen horny. Download all the book written by Alice miller. Also download Healing the Shame that Binds You by richard Bradshaw. Also you may need to go under tonsillocomy and adenods surgery. Because most of the time these strep bacteria hide under your tonsils or adenods. Because of this strep test may come as negative but inform your doctor negative result does not rule out you pandas. Thats why I woluld suggest you educate yourself as much as can on pandas subject. Also please make another reading from page 27 to this page. I belive this will help you. 
Add: please check up for gut worm. I read somewhere they can also cause depression and anxiety. Start maintain healthy diet. Remove all form of soda from your menu. Take vitamin. Reduce masterbation. Clean your whole house with antiseptics.
Add: please check up for gut worm. I read somewhere they can also cause depression and anxiety. Start maintain healthy diet. Remove all form of soda from your menu. Take vitamin. Reduce masterbation. Clean your whole house with antiseptics.
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dead24
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Hi supersix! May I know what medication/ssri you are taking? and what kind of ocd staring do you have? Thanks!
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supersix
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Hi dead24! I have the sideway look problem where I cant stop staring and will stare at people from corner of my eyes uncontrollably. If I look at someone my eyes will just freeze there resulting intense anxiety and will make the person uncomfortable and this is not under my control. Also at first stage of my problem I had the copulsive urge to look at peoples private part which will cause intense panic after starting at there. But now these problem reduced a lot. I am taking serteline (zoloft) and beta blocker( for stopping panic attacks) . Also I have taken (penicillin)antibiotic a 12 day course for strep which I have just finished recently. To reduce the side effect of zoloft at night I am also taking sleeping pill. Hope this help
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supersix
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not really. what antibiotic and ssri will do to you is they will reduce your fear, anxiety and compulsive behaviour and uncontrolled repeated thoughts. you will be amazed how fast these things can be wax and wayne just but taking them. but if you really want to get out from this behaviour you have to expose yourself in situation or it wont go away. The worst thing about pandas is even if it cured, the behavior your brain had learned(because of anxiety and constant uncontrolled fear) to cope with situation will stay there and to unlearn this behavior you have to expose yourself constantly to your fear or it will stay with you forever. its not that you will experience constant anxiety and fear after panda got treated its that your learned behavior will stay there with you so it will be hard for you to cope with situation at first like normal people but after your constant exposure to the situation will reduce your problem.
in my case i coped with my situation before i came to know about panda. i still have hard time coping with my situation. the trick i have used is visualization. one of the gifted thing ocd sufferer can do is they can visualize life like image in their mind which normal people cant do. because in ocd sufferer there seems to have problem in left brain so the right brain get the full support. and this right brain can create life like visuals in mind. although there seems to have problem in prefrontal cortex who develop late onset ocd. one of the interesting thing about late onset ocd sufferer is they start exhibit childish behaviour. some how their emotional maturity level regressed to an early developmental stage. but in some part some of their reasoning remains adult like behaviour. so these people become a strange mix of half adult half child thing. the regular ocd sufferer does not develop this. by the way in my case i find it totally true. the technique i have used in visualization i created a first person view in my mind. the regular view human view . not the the third person one where i see myself in third person. i created male female figure in my mind and start watching them. i loosen up my control from my eyes and let them view independently wherever they want to look at. i go to places in my mind look at people i have created there. it gives me the same level of anxiety i have experienced in real life. but after constantly doing that will reduce the problem little by little.
also when got struck by this disorder at first i lost all my social skills. i forgot what lenth of time i have to look at people when i am having conversation. where to look at when i am having conversation. found it extremely hard not to staring at persons face . i could not even look at somewhere else when i am having conversation due to extreme anxiety. so started to visualize these situation and recreated this event in mind and start experimenting and learning when to look at where to look at, at what length of time i have to look at. at first this would made me extremely anxious like real life situation but after constantly exposing myself to this situation my problem started to reduce little by little.
whenever i got to sit on empty table i would create figure at my left, right and front side. i will start having imaginary conversation with them. i would constantly changed my eye direction every seven second later and looked at their private part when i felt an urge without being anxious. i crated expression in their face like real life situation. i forced my self to experience these situation again.
as for the private part thing i would create male and female naked figure and start stare at their private part. at first it would make me extremely anxious but after little by little my anxiety started to reduce. than i will change my focus to there whole body. after this situation i created clothed male fimale figure and did the same with them.
one thing i have discovered during watching adult videos you should not watch porn when you are at the pick of your orgasm. you should stop watching porn immediately when you reached at your sensational state because i found out at stage if you kept watching then these image will get stuck in your brain and your brain will compulsively look at private part after that. i find these thing very strange by the way. also i have to change a lot of thinking pattern you can see my previous post for that. hope these help.
in my case i coped with my situation before i came to know about panda. i still have hard time coping with my situation. the trick i have used is visualization. one of the gifted thing ocd sufferer can do is they can visualize life like image in their mind which normal people cant do. because in ocd sufferer there seems to have problem in left brain so the right brain get the full support. and this right brain can create life like visuals in mind. although there seems to have problem in prefrontal cortex who develop late onset ocd. one of the interesting thing about late onset ocd sufferer is they start exhibit childish behaviour. some how their emotional maturity level regressed to an early developmental stage. but in some part some of their reasoning remains adult like behaviour. so these people become a strange mix of half adult half child thing. the regular ocd sufferer does not develop this. by the way in my case i find it totally true. the technique i have used in visualization i created a first person view in my mind. the regular view human view . not the the third person one where i see myself in third person. i created male female figure in my mind and start watching them. i loosen up my control from my eyes and let them view independently wherever they want to look at. i go to places in my mind look at people i have created there. it gives me the same level of anxiety i have experienced in real life. but after constantly doing that will reduce the problem little by little.
also when got struck by this disorder at first i lost all my social skills. i forgot what lenth of time i have to look at people when i am having conversation. where to look at when i am having conversation. found it extremely hard not to staring at persons face . i could not even look at somewhere else when i am having conversation due to extreme anxiety. so started to visualize these situation and recreated this event in mind and start experimenting and learning when to look at where to look at, at what length of time i have to look at. at first this would made me extremely anxious like real life situation but after constantly exposing myself to this situation my problem started to reduce little by little.
whenever i got to sit on empty table i would create figure at my left, right and front side. i will start having imaginary conversation with them. i would constantly changed my eye direction every seven second later and looked at their private part when i felt an urge without being anxious. i crated expression in their face like real life situation. i forced my self to experience these situation again.
as for the private part thing i would create male and female naked figure and start stare at their private part. at first it would make me extremely anxious but after little by little my anxiety started to reduce. than i will change my focus to there whole body. after this situation i created clothed male fimale figure and did the same with them.
one thing i have discovered during watching adult videos you should not watch porn when you are at the pick of your orgasm. you should stop watching porn immediately when you reached at your sensational state because i found out at stage if you kept watching then these image will get stuck in your brain and your brain will compulsively look at private part after that. i find these thing very strange by the way. also i have to change a lot of thinking pattern you can see my previous post for that. hope these help.
dead24
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Thanks supersix! Does the antiobiotic affect the ocd staring?
Or does zoloft and the beta blocker do most of the cure for the staring?
And also what dosage do use for zoloft? and when do you take it?
I am currently on lexapro but has done mostly nothing for my ocd staring but it did help reduce my depression. I'm thinking of replacing lexapro w/ zoloft.
Or does zoloft and the beta blocker do most of the cure for the staring?
And also what dosage do use for zoloft? and when do you take it?
I am currently on lexapro but has done mostly nothing for my ocd staring but it did help reduce my depression. I'm thinking of replacing lexapro w/ zoloft.
supersix
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yes antibiotic does effect the ocd staring. here is a small detail how my condition progressed.
week 1: start taking zoloft 100 mg at morning and beta blocker at night. my ocd condition worsened but the black hole feeling(depression) started to fade away. also become more anxious but i feel like i grown up into an adult(mental age regression) from being childish overnight. also lost my sexual desire. my mouth became dry. lost the feeling of hunger.
week 2:my uncontrolled repeated thought seems to stop. didnt see any progress on uncontrolled fear. went to doc at the end of the week. tested for strep. shaky feeling remain.
week3:didn't see any progress on ocd part. the fear remain. anxiety got slightly better. side effects of zoloft continued.
week 4:my strep result came positive.My doc prescribed me antibiotics for 12 days. new problem arisen. i start having problem with my speech. but my mind become much clearer. at the first 2 days after taking antibiotics didn't notice any change. at day 3 there there i feel a slight change in my fear . day 4 i feel less anxious. my compulsive staring urge seems to lessen and it got better by the end of the week.
week5:my mind beceame much more clearer.my anxity and fear seems to lessen 80%. i feel less urge to do my compulsive behavior. by the end this week i feel more normal than my whole life. it actually feel kind of awkward to being normal. still having problem looking at people but its not because of my anxiety and fear. its because of three years of learned behaviour to cope with situation. start exposing myself to my family member and they are very helpful toward me. at the end of this week my antibiotic trial finished. my speech problem continued. i think i have ADHD. i read somewhere in pandas case sometime ssri can worsen your problem then curing.
week 6: my normal feeling remaind. but see slight changes in anxiety and fear again. they seems to increased a little bit. ssri continued. going to meet with my doc at the end of this week or maybe next week.
these are my small progression details. i read somewhere antibiotic need to be chosen like ssri in this situation. some time you may need combo antibiotics or different types of antibiotics if that doesn't work. hope this help
week 1: start taking zoloft 100 mg at morning and beta blocker at night. my ocd condition worsened but the black hole feeling(depression) started to fade away. also become more anxious but i feel like i grown up into an adult(mental age regression) from being childish overnight. also lost my sexual desire. my mouth became dry. lost the feeling of hunger.
week 2:my uncontrolled repeated thought seems to stop. didnt see any progress on uncontrolled fear. went to doc at the end of the week. tested for strep. shaky feeling remain.
week3:didn't see any progress on ocd part. the fear remain. anxiety got slightly better. side effects of zoloft continued.
week 4:my strep result came positive.My doc prescribed me antibiotics for 12 days. new problem arisen. i start having problem with my speech. but my mind become much clearer. at the first 2 days after taking antibiotics didn't notice any change. at day 3 there there i feel a slight change in my fear . day 4 i feel less anxious. my compulsive staring urge seems to lessen and it got better by the end of the week.
week5:my mind beceame much more clearer.my anxity and fear seems to lessen 80%. i feel less urge to do my compulsive behavior. by the end this week i feel more normal than my whole life. it actually feel kind of awkward to being normal. still having problem looking at people but its not because of my anxiety and fear. its because of three years of learned behaviour to cope with situation. start exposing myself to my family member and they are very helpful toward me. at the end of this week my antibiotic trial finished. my speech problem continued. i think i have ADHD. i read somewhere in pandas case sometime ssri can worsen your problem then curing.
week 6: my normal feeling remaind. but see slight changes in anxiety and fear again. they seems to increased a little bit. ssri continued. going to meet with my doc at the end of this week or maybe next week.
these are my small progression details. i read somewhere antibiotic need to be chosen like ssri in this situation. some time you may need combo antibiotics or different types of antibiotics if that doesn't work. hope this help
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supersix
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Check out this blog Beverly Hills Shrink: Adult PANDAS: Bare Facts also check out this thred where pandas children doing the same staring like us http://latitudes.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=7172
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Mike555
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Some with ocd starring can get a job?
Do one of u have a job and u have ocd starring?
which job do u have? if yes.
I need to find a job with some social people, face my fear to break out of my gad dam social anxiety maybe... but because of ocd starring.. i can not do that. this ocd freaking worse than social anxiety it self and this is the only forum i can talk about it. i keep it as a top secret hidden.
what motivates me for a job is breaking out of social anxiety lol FOR A girl i fell strongly in love.. not the money. but i think i'll freaking die and freak out, everyone will sure notice if i arrive.. and will make other ppl nervous as well.. oh god..
before ocd starring started. i had a job only for 3 days. guess what? in those 3 days it forced me to interact with people, even though i had severe social anxiety. when i came back home my dad said i talk way way better and more confidenly.. the problem is THAT JOB SUCKED. CLEANING STUFF at the end of the weekend like picking up left over fruits, dirty JOB! AND dirty job is NOT for me! i'm intellegent guy and i can do better i would go for a vet or networking guy. I left only becoz this job was dirty and ashaming my self.. i didn't want any 1 to know i work there god, they would see me probably as low level as well.
You know what happened when i was in the job? it got to the level of full anxiety, maximum anxiety. first day was the hardest. 3rd day i already felt comfortable. guess what? it was in a supermarket around full of people and i had a partner i had to talk with and i spoke small talk with the workers over there.. the convo felt completely dead.. probably becoz of schizoid (Emotional coldness) but maybe it's not right, maybe it just was 3 days and over the time i would be more relaxed.
IT WAS JUST 3 DAYS! IMAGINE IF I STAYED FOR LONGER but i couldn't live my life like that! it was working from early from the morning till the night! so much work! and dirty work! NOT FOR ME!
SCREW THAT. I got OCD starring + some more severe problems since i joined the army! it was HORRIBLE! IT WASN'T LIKE THE WORK at all. i was in the army 4 month and it added more mental issues to me. in the army they recruited me by self and it wasn't around much people and pretty much was alone a lot of time and the main thing that IS they recruited me! i didn't join from my will! i didn't want to, so i didn't make any effort socializing at ALL, zero!
but the difference with the work in the 3 days that i came up by my self! it means i gotta put some effort becoz I WENT THERE TO GET MONEY, so i had to do what's needed to be done!
GAD DAM, I WISH I just had no ocd starring! my life would be incredibly better!
Do one of u have a job and u have ocd starring?
which job do u have? if yes.
I need to find a job with some social people, face my fear to break out of my gad dam social anxiety maybe... but because of ocd starring.. i can not do that. this ocd freaking worse than social anxiety it self and this is the only forum i can talk about it. i keep it as a top secret hidden.
what motivates me for a job is breaking out of social anxiety lol FOR A girl i fell strongly in love.. not the money. but i think i'll freaking die and freak out, everyone will sure notice if i arrive.. and will make other ppl nervous as well.. oh god..
before ocd starring started. i had a job only for 3 days. guess what? in those 3 days it forced me to interact with people, even though i had severe social anxiety. when i came back home my dad said i talk way way better and more confidenly.. the problem is THAT JOB SUCKED. CLEANING STUFF at the end of the weekend like picking up left over fruits, dirty JOB! AND dirty job is NOT for me! i'm intellegent guy and i can do better i would go for a vet or networking guy. I left only becoz this job was dirty and ashaming my self.. i didn't want any 1 to know i work there god, they would see me probably as low level as well.
You know what happened when i was in the job? it got to the level of full anxiety, maximum anxiety. first day was the hardest. 3rd day i already felt comfortable. guess what? it was in a supermarket around full of people and i had a partner i had to talk with and i spoke small talk with the workers over there.. the convo felt completely dead.. probably becoz of schizoid (Emotional coldness) but maybe it's not right, maybe it just was 3 days and over the time i would be more relaxed.
IT WAS JUST 3 DAYS! IMAGINE IF I STAYED FOR LONGER but i couldn't live my life like that! it was working from early from the morning till the night! so much work! and dirty work! NOT FOR ME!
SCREW THAT. I got OCD starring + some more severe problems since i joined the army! it was HORRIBLE! IT WASN'T LIKE THE WORK at all. i was in the army 4 month and it added more mental issues to me. in the army they recruited me by self and it wasn't around much people and pretty much was alone a lot of time and the main thing that IS they recruited me! i didn't join from my will! i didn't want to, so i didn't make any effort socializing at ALL, zero!
but the difference with the work in the 3 days that i came up by my self! it means i gotta put some effort becoz I WENT THERE TO GET MONEY, so i had to do what's needed to be done!
GAD DAM, I WISH I just had no ocd starring! my life would be incredibly better!
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Mike555
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Alright, I'll be in the psycholog in 20.10.2014
Going to be pretty much hell! you know clinics have people. my clinic have sits and infront more sits.. it's pretty much hell.. no way i'm sitting there.. one time i went there and rushed out as soon as possible, just because of the ocd starring, i look anxious and it's pretty obvious, it makes other people nervous as well. it's horrible.
i'm willing to wait and skip my turn just not to sit there, sit for hours, it's so much pain.
Going to be pretty much hell! you know clinics have people. my clinic have sits and infront more sits.. it's pretty much hell.. no way i'm sitting there.. one time i went there and rushed out as soon as possible, just because of the ocd starring, i look anxious and it's pretty obvious, it makes other people nervous as well. it's horrible.
i'm willing to wait and skip my turn just not to sit there, sit for hours, it's so much pain.
Mike555
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I wish i could but i can't. i feel more confident, i went outside today shopping with my sister, kicked my social anxiety in the *** and i could talk to people but when i was on the bus, i still had this FoKING curse OCD starring! oh god why?! i want to be with my dream girl but this Sht will ruin my LIFE! and not to say if I INFECT ONE OF my loved ones! i will try medicine as soon as i have an appointment with the psychiater. in the bus ride back to home i had to close my eyes pretend like i'm sleeping until the end of the ride! URGH I HATE IT!!!!!!
psychiater when i came in 20, he said that the clinic is being closed so i couldn't get in! i let everyone pass me because i couldn't sit there around the people so i sat just away from everyone! so i waited freakin 2 hours!!!!! my mom said she'll help me. i didn't say i had ocd starring but i just told her i can't sit around people and it started not long time ago. and it's not because of social anxiety. i know it's embereassing as f to go to the clinic with your mom when you're 20 but i need the medicine so badly and i need some THERAPY OR SOMETHING TO CURE all of my problems!
psychiater when i came in 20, he said that the clinic is being closed so i couldn't get in! i let everyone pass me because i couldn't sit there around the people so i sat just away from everyone! so i waited freakin 2 hours!!!!! my mom said she'll help me. i didn't say i had ocd starring but i just told her i can't sit around people and it started not long time ago. and it's not because of social anxiety. i know it's embereassing as f to go to the clinic with your mom when you're 20 but i need the medicine so badly and i need some THERAPY OR SOMETHING TO CURE all of my problems!
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MotherWolff
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I always stuff headphones in my ears and pretend I can hear no one when I don't want to be talked to. Works most of the time. But I guess some people would say that's not a solution and neither is medicine but its a temporary fix! =)
CrazyAlienFar
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Hey.. I know this thread is old but I'm gonna post anyways...
So Yeah I thought I was the only one who suffered from it.. but I'm SOOO happy that there are others out there like me...
It started when I was 13... (****RTY!) and it just got worse and worse..
Now years later my life is complete shit compared to when I was young.
What I think causes this is ****rty.. you get more aware of your surroundings.. I think its a safety thing.. Like when a kid gets adult he has to be ready for fighting of enemies etc lol... I know it might sound stupid but maybe.. Thats why most that have this problem don't have it at home or with family, well some do that I don't know why, because you brain knows your safe with your family.
What I think helps this (which has helped me but I guess that doesn't mean much).
-Sleep VERY IMPORTANT! If you don't get enough sleep your body will feel weak and so that makes you brain go on much more of a alert mode.
-Eat ALSO IMPORTANT! If you don't get the food you need your body will put more stress on your brain etc making your eyes more aware of things because you need to find food.
-Relax .. Do I need to say more?
-Realize how much you are overreacting, earth is just a SMALL planet and you are basically nothing in this world, so why care so much about stuff?
-Lose your emotions, ( I know this sounds harsh but it really helps) , if you don't feel any emotions anymore you will not care which in turn helps the brain to not care making.
-Do what you naturally wanna do. Say if one friends says come and sit with us, if you don't feel like it but just do it because he is your friend and you don't wanna hurt him, you did wrong.. I'm sorry it just how it is.. You have to listen to what you want.
-Stop thinking ( I know its difficult but try and try and try...)
I think all those that have this problem share something in genetics.. Maybe lol I don't know..
By the way I wouldn't suggest glasses, because you can't bring them everywhere and it would ruin your life if you just wore them for the sake of eyes thing, just try and get used to what you have now..
But the best way to overcome this is to be social.. Say you party a lot, go out with friends etc this eyes thing will eventually after couple weeks or maybe months go away naturally..
:thumbup:
But don't take my words for it, try it!
So Yeah I thought I was the only one who suffered from it.. but I'm SOOO happy that there are others out there like me...
It started when I was 13... (****RTY!) and it just got worse and worse..
Now years later my life is complete shit compared to when I was young.
What I think causes this is ****rty.. you get more aware of your surroundings.. I think its a safety thing.. Like when a kid gets adult he has to be ready for fighting of enemies etc lol... I know it might sound stupid but maybe.. Thats why most that have this problem don't have it at home or with family, well some do that I don't know why, because you brain knows your safe with your family.
What I think helps this (which has helped me but I guess that doesn't mean much).
-Sleep VERY IMPORTANT! If you don't get enough sleep your body will feel weak and so that makes you brain go on much more of a alert mode.
-Eat ALSO IMPORTANT! If you don't get the food you need your body will put more stress on your brain etc making your eyes more aware of things because you need to find food.
-Relax .. Do I need to say more?
-Realize how much you are overreacting, earth is just a SMALL planet and you are basically nothing in this world, so why care so much about stuff?
-Lose your emotions, ( I know this sounds harsh but it really helps) , if you don't feel any emotions anymore you will not care which in turn helps the brain to not care making.
-Do what you naturally wanna do. Say if one friends says come and sit with us, if you don't feel like it but just do it because he is your friend and you don't wanna hurt him, you did wrong.. I'm sorry it just how it is.. You have to listen to what you want.
-Stop thinking ( I know its difficult but try and try and try...)
I think all those that have this problem share something in genetics.. Maybe lol I don't know..
By the way I wouldn't suggest glasses, because you can't bring them everywhere and it would ruin your life if you just wore them for the sake of eyes thing, just try and get used to what you have now..
But the best way to overcome this is to be social.. Say you party a lot, go out with friends etc this eyes thing will eventually after couple weeks or maybe months go away naturally..
:thumbup:
But don't take my words for it, try it!