trying to let go of anger

Section_31

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Now that im sitting here, trying to type this, i cant even figure out where to begin.

im extremely angry right now, with someone i care about deeply. Not my hunny thankfully, her and me have always been solid as a rock. Im angry very much with my father. Hes done somthing recently that was deceitful, and really was a bombshell emotionally. For the last 2 weeks ive been varying between being really hurt and depressed, and just plain mad. And im normally a very calm person, im always slow to get to a boil.

I havnt been giving myself the time i need to deal with how i feel because right now there just isnt time for it. There are other things going on and i just cant afford to look at things right now. Whats really irritating is, what hes done should be blatantly obvious to him that we wouldnt be impressed, it would be to any other human being. But hes acting like nothings wrong and like he doesnt know were mad at him, ect ect. Unfortunately dad is an avoider, and that just makes things worse. Im varying between feeling like sh!t for feeling the way I do, and being angry.

Its tough for me because hes really the only parent i have thats in my life. And i feel like im betraying him by feeling this way. Im so conflicted emotionally its extremely hard to really think straight.

Ive talked to my babe about it. Shes even angrier than i, but she always seems to be able to THINK when shes angry. Weve decided really, whats done is done, and to just move forward, stick together, and get out of our situation as soon as we can, but unfortunately that wont be for another 2 yrs.

I know im being very vague with this post, and for that im sorry. I come on here ranting and i havnt even told you what the problem is. I think you deserve that. im just so tired right now.

Im going to go to sleep, maybe this will look different with a rested and fresh perspective. I'll explain more in the morning.

How DO you deal with it, when a parent does somthing really hurtful and tries to lie about it??. Is it wrong of me to feel this way?. I feel totally selfish, but then angry, then selfish, then guilty, then angry.

Its chasing its own tail in my mind.....

goodnight for now.
 

decadent88

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Well, I kinda get what you are going through. Although my parents are not deceitful or lairs, they enjoy a lifestyle that's completely obnoxious to me (although they are nice, intelligent, caring, and lovely parents, don't get me wrong). It's quite unnatural too. I tried to reason with but with no avail. They hear me, they keep their silence, and then they keep on doing the same. Till now they completely ignored all of my suggestions and everything's been deteriorating. I feel helpless, alone. This has become a major cause of my chronic depression. But nothing stirs them. I feel angry, frustrated and useless sometimes. But I have secluded myself and trying to learn to ignore them.

As for anger, I tried relaxation techniques like deep breathing, listening to calming music, meditation. They work somehow.
 
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Section_31

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So ive slept on it, and feel a little better this morning. The pain is drummed down and gone for now.

Its a long story (arent they all?), and i find it hard to begin.

I suppose the early parts ill try to summarize. Basically, my dad has always been horrible with mney management. He makes wll over 100 k a yr but could never afford his own house and we were always short on things. He never had a drinking or gambling problem and he doesnt smoke so i dont know where the money was going. Anyway, my parents split up when i was little, and his habits didnt change, and i think partially because i socially isolated myself, and he was really one of the only influential figures i was aroudn most, i picked up a number of his habits without realizing.

ok, fast forward to 2007. I had just gotten into my first "big boy" job, and decided i was making enough to get my first new vehicle. I was still single, I knew my hunny at the time but we werent together yet. All was good. Now, if id jsut stopped things right there, everything would probably have turned out alright, but i didnt. They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and i layed my first stone right there when i got that first new truck in 07.

So 2009, i get one of those thingies in the mail, basically allowing you to trade in your vehicle for a newer one. Id always wanted a diesel vehicle and thought i was making the right decision, so again, off to the dealer i go, come home with a new vehicle, again. By this time, My babe and me are engaged. Nevermind the fact that on this vehicle my payments went up an extra amount of money to the point where it was eating up 70% of my income. I know, i know, very stupid choice, but at the time, i figured that because me and her were living with my dad, who had told us to stay there untill we were both done school which was going to be another 4 yrs, I figured I had enough time to pay the thign off by he time we were both done, and life would be good. Made sense at the time.

Well, This second truck turned out to be a lemon, we had numerous issues that they wouldnt warranty that drained my savings, and on top of that i discovered they had manipulated the numbers with the bank, so we actually got approved for a loan that i never should have been able to get. Everything was upside down and in a bad way. As in 70 k upside down :eek:.

During this time, my dad got himself a girlfriend. We weer all happy at first, life was good, i was really happy for him, as he hadnt been with a woman since my mother, which is now 20 + yrs. I liked this lady, she liked us, everything seemed to be going well.

Not quite as rosy as it sounds. My dad had no intention of moving in with her for a while as he wanted to ease back into things. His lady started putting the pressure on him, to kick us out regardless of us both still being in uni, and for him to man up and buy a house and ect ect ect.

Now, heres where some of the hurt begins. We weer all talking about this, and blatantly in the middle of everything, she called us "F8cknig burdens" right to our faces. And my dad said not one word to defend us at all. It was just so unexpected, and it stung. Hard. The worst part is i feel now there may have been a grain of truth in it, as much as id rather not admit it.

Now, before i go on, a little more background.

Because of my stupid choices with my truck and gonig to school and my babe goign to school, my dad insisted that we dont pay for anything, save our money, ect ect, trust him to take care of things. I didnt really like the arrangement but he really wanted things that way so i let it be, even though i asked him multiple times if we could help out, and said i could easily pay for our impact on the house. He insisted everything was fine. I had no way of knowing otherwise, and he never said a word about anything being wrong.

Up to this point, My dad and my wife had been pretty close. But his failure to say somthing, ANYTHING, when his gf was reeming us out right in front of him really hurt her. Really hurt her. Since that day shes barely spoken two words to him. Shes polite if she needs to be but she avoids him. I was on the fence about the thing, i was hurt too, and angry, but i tried to let it go.

So then they broke up. Partially because of us being where we were, partially because of other reasons. During this time, my wife and i had decided to say "f*ck it" and decided we would pay for everything we could from now on, regardless if he said anything. So, we managed to get out of my upside down, get into a much better vehicle suited for us now, reduce that rediculous monthly payment, but unfortunately because that loan was upside down, the negative equity drove this one up a little more than it should be, but were doing much better with it. Also paying for everything else we can, and as such i jut know right now we couldnt afford to be on our own. Just have to wait untill i pay this loan off in 2 yrs and im debt free and have income to go towards being able to pay for housing.

So anyway, they broke up. My dad swore every which way to sunday that they werent going to get back together, they were just friends now, ect ect. I didnt really care anymore and didnt bring it up. I tried to patch up my relationship with my dad the best i could, but things never felt the same after that. My wife still doesnt talk to him much at all, avoids it if she can, and i dont blame her. During the course of the year, id asked him if he realized that we were both pset with him, and he just said yes i do. And not another word on it. When all 3 of us would be home he would never ask us about it, or try to talk to us so we could get started on trying to patch things up. I would try to do so on my end but he always avoided the subject and would go out somewhere for a long while untill we had gone to bed, then come home.

He had started seeing her more and more again, insisting all the while that the werent getting back together, they were just friends, ect. Id asked him outright if they weer an item again and if so to just be straight with me about it, that id be happy he's happy. Again, he said no. So i let it rest, thinking it was wierd to be friends with an ex.

Then this trip to Italy comes up that hes away on right now, and the night before he admitted to us that they were again, an item. We had a big convo about i, luckily calm. I basicaly told him im sorry for everything that happened last yr and anything we may have contributed to it, that while i wouldnt have picked her im happy hes happy. but i also said i didnt trust her, that i wasnt trying to hurt his feelings by saynig this, but that after last yr i didnt know if i could ever trust her again. He said he understood that and didnt blame me at all, but that she swore things would be different this time and she wouldnt be rushing to try to move in with him and she would leave us alone. I replied to him that frankly, her word carried very little weight with me, and that i wanted HIS assurance that things would be ok untill we could get out. He promised they would. I said wanted to believe him, i really did, but that after last year when he didnt say a word when she was reeming us out, that id have to believe it when i saw it. He said he understood, we hugged, and that was that.

So now me and my hunny are just keeping our heads down, working as hard as we can to get out as fast as we can without committing financial suicide. We have things we have to do first, but were lookiing at at least a 2 yr timeframe. Nothing to be doen about it unless i get a crazy raise or win the lottery. Luckily my wife never expected me to share her feelings about my father and she was quite suprised when i told her how ive been feeling. even though shes angry with him she said i should still be trying to patch things up, that her anger shouldnt be mine. Her and me have never fought over this and things have always been solid. I have to say that girl must really love me, because if she married me for money she sure got the wrong guy.

So, in recap. I have to be fair, i think there were alot of things that could have been done different on my part to avoid what happened last yr. I would have been paying for things much sooner if he had just been honest with me, but i had no way to tell anything was wrong. EVery time i would ask he would just say oh yea everythings good son! dont worry about it. Meanwhile his girl is getting upset with him for it and we had no idea.

What im more upset about is the fact he lied to me about seeing her. I would never have told him to NOT see her, i want him to be happy and im not the person to stand in the way. But i would have appreciated him being honest about it instead of trying to be sneaky and lie right to my face when i already knew what was going on. I think thats a big part of what im angry about and hurting about, is being lied to. That and the fact that hes known for a whole year that were both upset and hurt, and instead of talking to us about it and trying to patch things up, he ignored how we felt, went back to her and tried to hide it. Whether or not he meant to, it feels basically like hes sending the message that he just doesnt care.

So yea, im feeling pretty raw, i have some days better than others. I just dont know what to think anymore.

A huge part of this is my own fault. Starting in 07. If i had A. just stuck with the first vehicle id got, or B. not gotten a new vehicle at all, we wouldnt be in the financial black hole were in right now, and we could be out on our own and not in this mess. So that part i take full ownership over. Its easy for me to say i didnt know any better, but really i think i should have. They say hindsight is 20/20. I didnt have the money management skills i should have, but i learned alot from this and when i get us out of this situation ill make sure it never happens again. I screwed up.

Im not punishing myself, but i try to make sure im the devils advocate on everything. there are 2 sides to every story, and somewhere in the middle is the truth.

I want him to be happy, and i want them to go on. I just would have appreciated honesty up front. I dont trust her because of what she said to us and what shes said to my dad about how she feels about us. One thing ive learned is most people dont change, they just get smarter. So im always on guard now. My relationship with dad doesnt feel at all ike it used to. I dont know if it ever will, which hurts the most. In a way its like losing the only parent ive got left.

Sorry guys, ive been penting this up for a very long time. Now that ive typed this out im exhausted. Going for a coffee.

More soon if i can think of anymore.
 

Blabla..

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Interesting story , and i hope you get out of your debts fast . That's a situation nobody should ever have to go through , it's a horrible feeling , i know i have been there once , and i'm never going to let this happen again .

I think it's about time that you and your hunny move out on your own , try to get that debt under control and even if you can only afford a cheap small apartment i think it'll be worth it , i got kicked out at 18 and i don't understand now how i could possibly live under someone else's roof , especially with my girlfriend , that would be unbearable for me , having your own living space the way you want it with your own rules is the way to go , if you can afford it .
 

Section_31

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Hey Bla,

Thanks for your reply. I realy appreciate it.

The problem is right now we cant afford to move out. At all. But were always watching for cheap places, and in 2 months im due for a decent raise, so that may change shortly. We sall see.

If you made it all the way to the end of that posting, cookies will appear on your kitchen table! :)
 

Blabla..

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haha Lone ,

yep , i made it to the very bottom ! Plus i usually re-read a whole paragraph twice sometime to understand better and try to live the situation for myself . I enjoy reading people's stories even if i don't have anything to reply.
 

Aussie_Lad

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My thoughts are that your dad wants to avoid conflict. He sounds like he is afraid that he won't get approved by either you and your partner or his partner. Unfortunately sometimes you need this conflict to resolve issues and if he isn't letting this happen then ultimately those around him drift further away. You probably won't be able to change this in your father, but a better understanding of where he is coming from may help reduce the anger partially. It does sound like you may need to move out as soon as you can, but for now, just try and act compassionately toward him because of his weakness.
 

MaliceInWickedland

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Hey Gunman. I'm really sorry to hear that you're dealing with this kind of situation. I don't really have any place to give you advice on this matter since I'm still just a kid and I've yet to learn about being independent and managing myself financially. It's always good to vent and get these kinds of things off your chest. Keeping these sorts of things to yourself is never the way to go. You certainly have a wonderful wife though. You guys seem to be very supportive of each other and that's an excellent bond to have in times like these. As for your father, I agree with Aussie Lad for the most part. I think you should both give each other some space for now, at least until things cool off some more. I don't think it's good for you to be stressing yourself out more by giving yourself the extra task of patching up things with your father when he's acting like this. That's what I would do in a situation like that, but that's just me. Either way I have faith that you guys will pull through this. You're a smart guy so just stay strong and do whatever you think is best for you :)
 
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Section_31

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Hey Gunman. I'm really sorry to hear that you're dealing with this kind of situation. I don't really have any place to give you advice on this matter since I'm still just a kid and I've yet to learn about being independent and managing myself financially. It's always good to vent and get these kinds of things off your chest. Keeping these sorts of things to yourself is never the way to go. You certainly have a wonderful wife though. You guys seem to be very supportive of each other and that's an excellent bond to have in times like these. As for your father, I agree with Aussie Lad for the most part. I think you should both give each other some space for now, at least until things cool off some more. I don't think it's good for you to be stressing yourself out more by giving yourself the extra task of patching up things with your father when he's acting like this. That's what I would do in a situation like that, but that's just me. Either way I have faith that you guys will pull through this. You're a smart guy so just stay strong and do whatever you think is best for you :)

Thanks malice. Thank you for your kind words. Im sure we'll get through this, as we have countless other things. Just a sucky situation, and im discovering even when im almost 30, i still need my dad just as much as i did when i was 15. Amazing how that happens.

To those who have posted and got through my small book, more cookies coming to you!.
 

Section_31

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My thoughts are that your dad wants to avoid conflict. He sounds like he is afraid that he won't get approved by either you and your partner or his partner. Unfortunately sometimes you need this conflict to resolve issues and if he isn't letting this happen then ultimately those around him drift further away. You probably won't be able to change this in your father, but a better understanding of where he is coming from may help reduce the anger partially. It does sound like you may need to move out as soon as you can, but for now, just try and act compassionately toward him because of his weakness.

Aussie, i think you hit the nail dead on with that. My dad has always been very non-confrontational, even if its a calm situation. It can be extremely frustrating at times. Your words have good advice.

Thanks man :)
 

Agent_Violet

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Alrighty...I finished readin this and had to give my .02

First of all: this woman is immature. Anyone with children will tell you that you NEVER stop being a parent and you NEVER stop being there for your kids and giving them a helping hand as long as they show they are working hard to make their lives better by going to school,saving money,trying to recover from those life lessons of poor decisions that happen to most of us when we're presented with adult situations for the first time(ie:your truck buying). Any woman worth her weight in gold will NEVER come barging into a perfectly amicable situation between a parent and offspring to try and push their will and their way of doing things upon that parent and offspring. Her actions and words were out of sheer immaturity and jealousy. She thinks she should be the one being taken care of by your father...not you and your wife. If she's going to date a man with a child, even if that child is grown which you obviously are, then she has a LOT if growing up and maturing to do still. I have a 9yr old boy and you bet your a$$ he will always be welcome in my home and I will support him as long as he needs me to support him...provided I see he is doing everything he can to better himself.

Your father: he also needs to grow up and start manning up. The conflict avoidance is not something he has a luxury to do while he's in this situation. There needs to be open communication amongst all involved...and your father needs to be the one to initiate it.
He didn't open his mouth to defend you because he was caught between the rock and a hard place. If he defends you, he makes his little precious princess angry,she stomps her foot like a 4yr old and leaves. He knows as his child, you will always forgive him for not stepping up...he trusts you more deeply than he could ever trust her so he knows he can take a chance with hurting your feelings rather than lose the one woman he has had since being with your mother. In a way, I sympathize with that bc loneliness is unbearable for some once you've had a taste of what companionship can be like and you'll hurt people you love to avoid losing the person who is keeping your loneliness away.

I think you need to sit down and have an open dialogue with the four of you present...girlfriend, dad,wife,you. Everyone gets to speak. It has to be respectful and the minute someone has an outburst they have to take a minute to calm down and brings things back to an adult level.

Air the grievances you have with each other, try to come to a place of openness and understanding then start fresh. And REALLY try to start fresh. Dont just placate everyone by saying you've got it all off your chest if you really don't.

I had to do this is my situation and it really helped a lot
(ex-wife,stepdaughter,husband,son,me) awkward! But helpful.
 

Agent_Violet

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Oh..and he lied to you about dating her again bc he probably wasn't sure if it was truly what he wanted...aside from that, he's your father...you have no right to question him about his personal life and he has a right to not disclose everything to you.
 
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Do know where anxiety comes from? Anxiety results from " UN-felt" anger. This is repress anger that resurface as anxiety....talk to you therapist about this anger. I am willing to bet that every body here as a anger issue ( repress/express ) including moi......im working on it.
 
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