The exercise/diet experiment. I'll update as much as I can.

[Rexus]

Ok, so here's the plan. Starting tomorrow, I'll be working out for 2-3 hours a day, one hour in the morning and one/two hours at night at the gym. I'll also be consuming a 1200 calorie diet of mainly fresh fruits/vegetables and lean proteins. I will update how that will be with my sweating/hyperhidrosis and changes I notice. I have generalized hh all over my body from face to palms to feet to groin area. I'm considering ets but I'm also trying as much things as I can before it, since I have nothing to lose. It's good to mention that my gym mixes things up, they have one hour classes of kickboxing etc. but my main program is to get at least 40 mins of running and 40 mins of weight training done and mix up the rest.

I'll keep you updated.

I'm 5'7" currently and weight at 189 lbs. I am overweight, mostly my stomach but it is good to mention that I have plenty of muscle. This diary will also help me with keeping loyal to my workouts. Anyone is welcome to share their experiences.

 

[lunarla]

That sounds like a good exercise plan! Don't be hard on yourself if you don't make it the full 2-3 hours daily. Make sure to give your muscles enough time to heal from the weight training. I also have to mention that 1200 calories daily is no where near enough to be consuming if you're planning on being that active (or even if you're not active). I tend to eat anywhere between 1500 and 1800 calories per day, and I am female, 130/5'3.5" and am moderately active. With this, I'm able to maintain my weight (and lose weight if I'm trying with exercising over a period of time). Good luck to you!

 

[philly2bits]

I'm also a bit wary of only 1200 calories a day. I'm not nearly an expert on the subject but from what I've read 1200 is about the absolute minimum a full grown adult should consume, regardless of gender or activity level. Any less then that for more then a few days will put the body into starvation mode.

It may be extremely hard to keep up with such an exercise program on only 1200 calories as well. Kickboxing, weight training and running are very high intensity and use a lot of energy. You may find it too hard to keep such a pace up for any meaningful length of time on only that many calories.

A better plan might be to eat normal for a week or 2 while doing the exercise. Then cut your daily calories by 100 or so every week and see how that goes. This may also help with any extreme bouts of hunger that may arise from dropping calories so quick. You'll have less of a chance of caving into hunger this way.

 

[Corsendonk]

starvation mode don't exist, yes an adaption of your metabolic rate will occur when dieting, which is normal.

The fastest way i know to lose fat ,while sparing muscle mass is via the rapid fat loss diet set up by lyle mcdonald. you can google him, he's got a great wealth of information, scientifically backed -up.


No 2-3 hours with 1200 calories though or you'll almost certainly see muscle and performance loss even when protein set really high.

try ~1800 calories for example, 1,5 grams protein per pound of lean body mass, and lots of vegetables.

Good luck, and if you've got any questions, just ask.

 

[BlackKids]

mmmmmmmm doesnt sound great to me. Did a quick calculation (Calories Per Day Calculator) and based on the exercise there you should be eating 2800+ cals a day to maintain your current weight. Hopefully you know what your doing and have spoken to a doctor.

You'll lose more weight if you eat the correct amount of calories + drink lots of water as your metabolism will be high. 1200 definately isn't sustainable!

Also fad diets are just a joke. If your looking to tone up/lose weight then you need to look into what you know you can stick too. I eat 2400-2600 and exercise most days, I've been losing weight steadily for 6-7 mths and have never felt sick/ill. Put a few pounds on over the last few months but thats due to hitting the weights and toning. I dont think scales are helpful when losing fat.

 

[lunarla]

starvation mode don't exist, yes an adaption of your metabolic rate will occur when dieting, which is normal.

The fastest way i know to lose fat ,while sparing muscle mass is via the rapid fat loss diet set up by lyle mcdonald. you can google him, he's got a great wealth of information, scientifically backed -up.


No 2-3 hours with 1200 calories though or you'll almost certainly see muscle and performance loss even when protein set really high.

try ~1800 calories for example, 1,5 grams protein per pound of lean body mass, and lots of vegetables.

Good luck, and if you've got any questions, just ask.

I'd have to disagree with you, starvation mode definitely is a reality. It's our body's natural way of protecting ourselves if we were seriously in need. Dieting shouldn't involve drastically cutting calories beyond necessary.

 

[BlackKids]

I'm also a bit weary of only 1200 calories a day. I'm not nearly an expert on the subject but from what I've read 1200 is about the absolute minimum a full grown adult should consume, regardless of gender or activity level. Any less then that for more then a few days will put the body into starvation mode.

I'm sure I read your body needs 1600 a day for the respiratory system. So if you just eat that your starving your body vital calories it needs to repair muscle/bone damage.

 

[Corsendonk]

true,

1200 calories is possible though, but not with that level of activity. Some brisk walking for an hour, steady state cardio for 30/45 minutes, weight training 2 times a week to keep your muscle mass. Keep the tension , cut volume the bigger the deficit you're creating. Set protein to 1,5 gram per pound of LBM or total weight. Good luck

 

[Corsendonk]

I'd have to disagree with you, starvation mode definitely is a reality. It's our body's natural way of protecting ourselves if we were seriously in need. Dieting shouldn't involve drastically cutting calories beyond necessary.

If you show me the research, i'll be ready reading it.

Like i said, you're metabolism goes down, but not as much as we think. The biggest difference in metabolic rate ever seen in research between two comparable folks was 15% , that's 300 calories difference from lowest to highest on a 2000 calorie diet. So yes, a bigger deficit will result in faster weight loss and faster slowdown of metabolic rate, but you'll never stop losing weight.

 

[Corsendonk]

I'm sure I read your body needs 1600 a day for the respiratory system. So if you just eat that your starving your body vital calories it needs to repair muscle/bone damage.

Sorry but that's not true. There's no certain number for everyone. Besides that, dieting is temporary. You'll eat less calories for a certain amount of weeks, then you'll go back to maintainance, to get your hormones back up again.

 

[lunarla]

If you show me the research, i'll be ready reading it.

Like i said, you're metabolism goes down, but not as much as we think. The biggest difference in metabolic rate ever seen in research between two comparable folks was 15% , that's 300 calories difference from lowest to highest on a 2000 calorie diet. So yes, a bigger deficit will result in faster weight loss and faster slowdown of metabolic rate, but you'll never stop losing weight.

Sure, your metabolic rate and and the body in general will adapt within reason. From what I've read/what a couple GP's have told me, plus my own experience has confirmed the fact that losing weight erratically simply doesn't work. And certainly not in the long run. When I was eating 1000 calories a day or less for at least a year, I did not lose weight. In fact, I gained ten pounds. So that's proof enough to me, but if what you're doing is working for you, that's great! Though I sort of doubt the long term benefits.

Sorry but that's not true. There's no certain number for everyone. Besides that, dieting is temporary. You'll eat less calories for a certain amount of weeks, then you'll go back to maintainance, to get your hormones back up again.

I think that a diet should be simply a lifestyle. "Diets" actually annoy me, personally. There's always a new fad to the point that it gets ridiculous. People coming out with weight loss books left and right. The actually definition of the word "diet" is simply what someone eats on a regular basis. The definition of diet that most people understand is derived from more current times.

 

[Rexus]

Hey guys, thanks for all your posts. Didn't know there were so many posts I was barely expecting one or two. Maybe you're right I should increase the calorie intake, but don't forget I'm mainly doing this to experiment with how this affects hyperhidrosis. So maybe I'll do a week of 1800 intake and a week of 1200 intake and see the differences in sweating. I'll also be taking a multivitamin and some extra vitamins to insure i don't get any deficits. As for slowing your metabolic rate, I can divide the 1200 calories over 5 approximately 250 calorie meals, and weight training will keep your metabolic rate up.

 

[IhateHH]

hey i didn't read through everyones post. But working out for 2-3 hours a day is not healthy for your body unless your already extremely fit and stressing your body for the olympics. Also, since your going on a diet and lowering your calorie intake, your body just won't have enough steam to last up to 3 hours.

I would say an hour or CLOSE to two hours is sufficient enough, assuming your going to lift weights AND mix in cardio on the same day. If you haven't been going to the gym lately and doing this as a fresh start, begin by working one day then rest your body the next day. Don't forget to limit your activity for full recovery too example: one day is upper body workout, next day is lower body, or do specific body part isolations.

Edit: heres my workout routine to kinda give you an idea.
*Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun: Upper body workout with dumbbells / Stability Ball / Pull-Up bar, and free body eg; pushups.

*Tue, Thur, Sat: 20 Minutes of Heavy bag boxing work, 10 Minutes Speed Bag, 30-60 minute jog/walking. Sometimes Lower Body Workouts but i don't know many routines for legs without going to the gym.

Doing heavy lifting and cardio on the same day is fine, but make sure you do cardio first before lifting cuz you'll be too gassed trying to do cardio after your muscles been stressed from lifting. I'm also going to change up my routine a lot in the next few weeks, cuz ever since i started my ionto treatment and work out routine, my feet haven't been sweating as much and odor isn't as strong as it was before, so im starting to build up enough self esteem to go back to my local gym yay. SO maybe throw in some homemade ionto treatments for areas you can apply it to while doing your routines .

 

[FinalSolution]

I suggest u dont listen any of them and go on some forum about bodybuilding and learn from there. eating 1200 calories and 2-3 hours every day workouts its not healthy, do some theory 1st

 

[Corsendonk]

Sure, your metabolic rate and and the body in general will adapt within reason. From what I've read/what a couple GP's have told me, plus my own experience has confirmed the fact that losing weight erratically simply doesn't work. And certainly not in the long run. When I was eating 1000 calories a day or less for at least a year, I did not lose weight. In fact, I gained ten pounds. So that's proof enough to me, but if what you're doing is working for you, that's great! Though I sort of doubt the long term benefits.

i agree with what you said about longterm. That´s why i mentioned to do it for a short period to offset some quick weightloss, then move into a more flexible diet. 1200 calories with that much exercise might be too much for him. it´s never going to be easy to lose weight.......

Well, how high was your maintainance if you really ate a 1000 calories a day?
You might have made the same mistake i was making with underreporting food intake. Research shows overweight people underreport by 40-50%!! You just can¨t gain 10 pounds of fat on 1000 calories. You could have held a lot of water in your body due to the amount of cortisol caused by the low calories - stress to your body. Water retention masked my progress in the past as well!

 

[Corsendonk]

I suggest u dont listen any of them and go on some forum about bodybuilding and learn from there. eating 1200 calories and 2-3 hours every day workouts its not healthy, do some theory 1st

That´s why i recommended reading lyle mcdonalds articles/books. There´s a lot of bad info out there, even at bb.com

Good luck with your choices.

 

[lunarla]

Well, how high was your maintainance if you really ate a 1000 calories a day?
You might have made the same mistake i was making with underreporting food intake. Research shows overweight people underreport by 40-50%!! You just can¨t gain 10 pounds of fat on 1000 calories. You could have held a lot of water in your body due to the amount of cortisol caused by the low calories - stress to your body. Water retention masked my progress in the past as well!

I was never overweight I was just a girl who thought she wasn't good enough so I stopped really eating like I should have been. And yes, I figured that much of what I was carrying was water weight because once I started eating more it left pretty fast. At any rate, what I'm doing now is working for me, and I know that restricting calories definitelyyyy didn't.

Again, good luck to the original poster!

 

[Rexus]

Thanks lunarla. Well, today was day one, so I didn't exert much pressure. I had some oatmeal for breakfast, a banana/orange snack after, tuna salad for lunch, worked out on the treadmill for an hour, biking machine for half an hour, and weight lifting for half an hour. I am about to take a bath then have dinner. I sweated so much, and I'll see how the sweat is after I take a bath.

However, I'm considering another experiment, as to what produces the sweat, food or water. To do that, I have to go on a 3 or 5 day fast. I'll try that sometime later. For now, exercising makes me feel good, and I'm not sure how it will bode with my sweating in the long run.

 

[IhateHH]

^ Sweating is nothing but minerals, i would not recommend fasting and working out cuz your body won't have any nutrients and you'll just be hurting your body. Nice routine for the first day, treadmill for an hour!! I couldn't do it lol i would get too bored . Make sure to take in a lot of carbs if you decide to lift more weights cuz carbs gives you the energy to really push your muscles to the limit. Also after your shower rinse with cold water to close your pores and stop the sweating and to some degree help heal your muscles, works for me .

 

[Rexus]

Hey IhateHH. Well, I won't be working out if I decide to go on the fast, but I remember around 3 years ago I went on a cleansing diet for 7 days not eating. On about the third day, I was not sweating at all even though I was drinking a lot of water and juices (including lemon juice, apple juice, banana and strawberry juice). So, I'm not sure if we take our foods as juice if that would make us not sweat. It's a very strange idea. Fruit juice didn't make me sweat yet on the first day of breaking the fast I ate a banana and an apple and my sweating came back. makes you wonder. It's not the root problem, but it's wonderous how much of an impact food has on our sweating without us really realizing it.