I like people, but I don't like culture

tooshytosay

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To me, the truth is -

People are great. People in their purest, finest, unadulterated forms, are great to be with and to connect with. To me, a "pure" interaction between two human beings is something to be cherished - because let's face it, it's something incredibly rare in this world.

For what gets in the way of any social interaction is this ugly thing called culture. What do I mean by culture? I mean that unwritten set of rules, codes and expectations governing social interactions. When people interact, they don't just interact "ad hoc"; they interact in a particular way. And if you don't approach people in that particular way, then they'll give you wary and suspicious looks, then downright avoid you / reject you. They'll think of you as some sort "weirdo".

You might say, that in today's world, there really aren't many "rules" governing social interaction at all. Well that is completely untrue. The rules are there - oh yes, they are there. It's just that we take them for granted so much.

For example, you can't just talk about deep philosophical things straight off with someone you have just been introduced to. You first have to go through all the social niceties, and ramble on about some things that you don't care about.

During coffee break, or while gossiping at work, it is much more "appropriate" to talk about certain mundane things, in a certain appropriate way. Step outside of that box and they will once again give you that queer, "is he alright?" look.

You are expected to talk. Silence is a sin in today's culture. Today's culture does not appreciate the fact that people can bond without even saying a single word.

You are expected to be opinionated.

You are expected to have this thing called a "social life". Else you are a pretty low-worth human being. You are expected to have this "circle of friends" whose drama you talk about with other friends. Your plans for the weekend matter more than your intelligence or anything else.

Basically:

You can't just interact with people "however you want to". Society has set us up with "particular ways" with which to interact with others (and to live our life, actually). And frankly, I just hate those artificial constraints of culture.

You might say then what do I mean by a "pure" social interaction. Well, I think adults have a lot to learn from 2-to-3 year olds. They're just so truthful towards eachother. They don't sit around and gossip about certain things.

Or, think about being stranded on an island with someone else. You two have to co-operate in order to survive. What will develop (in my eyes anyway), is a true human connection where your shared humanity matters more than any of the trivialities "culture" imposes on us.
 
But then again, if we didn't care, people would look up to us for being different.
Problem is we're too tensed up to actually act. Others who don't follow these culture norms are in their own world. A place most of us probably wish we could enjoy.

Because if we allowed ourselves to be ourselves in public, we wouldn't be here.
I personally applaud weird people. They're my heroes.
 

Pookah

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When I think culture, I think more along the lines of art, food, family traditions.

Current societal norms I think have progressed beyond our own evolution. This fast paced and competitive world full of too many people and too little real freedom doesn't resemble even the recent past. School systems, parent involvement in children's lives, etc. There is no room for diversity, everyone it seems needs to be willing and able to join the rat race.

I do think structure is vital but I think things have become overcomplicated.

Edit: Also, I don't think you will be surprised to know that many people actually do not think beyond the typical mundane thoughts. If they do they get over it pretty quickly and want to talk about the minutiae of their daily routines again. So with most people, I wouldn't try to talk about anything "deep."
 
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Hastings & Main

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Holy ****. I didn't think anyone else thought like this tbh. (the thread title reminded me of a punk 'zine in the 90's called "Culture is My Enemy")
I've often fantasized about a world where people skipped social niceties and just got to the point.
As adults, though, once we skip past the "Nice weather we're having, hmm?" and go straight for the truth, we usually check the other person for signs of insanity or or whatnot. (Our wonderful government in Vancouver,BC slashed mental health care by around 70% around 8 years back, so the streets are full of homeless ex-mental patients, so maybe we're a bit more wary)
I personally think our truly connecting with each other is somewhat diverted by watercooler talk about TV shows and sports.
I dunno. The people who feel there are no problems stare at American Idol while on the other side others gather in cafes and philosiphise about unimportancies. "Stuck in the Middle With You" starts playing in the background as I ponder the human race...
 
I'm not too sure about the island example... It still depends on the personality of the two people. They may cooperate or still bicker or one may try and dominate or kill the other. I've an image of "Lord of the Flies" (Fly?) somehow...
 

EscapeArtist

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But then again, if we didn't care, people would look up to us for being different.
Problem is we're too tensed up to actually act. Others who don't follow these culture norms are in their own world. A place most of us probably wish we could enjoy.

Because if we allowed ourselves to be ourselves in public, we wouldn't be here.
I personally applaud weird people. They're my heroes.

Was thinking the same thing. Well said. This
 
Switched on people can see beyond these social rules and react to others on an individual basis. They can get out of their own heads and into that of the other person. Switched on people are rare.
 

Lea

Banned
To me, the truth is -

People are great. People in their purest, finest, unadulterated forms, are great to be with and to connect with. To me, a "pure" interaction between two human beings is something to be cherished - because let's face it, it's something incredibly rare in this world.

For what gets in the way of any social interaction is this ugly thing called culture. What do I mean by culture? I mean that unwritten set of rules, codes and expectations governing social interactions. When people interact, they don't just interact "ad hoc"; they interact in a particular way. And if you don't approach people in that particular way, then they'll give you wary and suspicious looks, then downright avoid you / reject you. They'll think of you as some sort "weirdo".

You might say, that in today's world, there really aren't many "rules" governing social interaction at all. Well that is completely untrue. The rules are there - oh yes, they are there. It's just that we take them for granted so much.

For example, you can't just talk about deep philosophical things straight off with someone you have just been introduced to. You first have to go through all the social niceties, and ramble on about some things that you don't care about.

During coffee break, or while gossiping at work, it is much more "appropriate" to talk about certain mundane things, in a certain appropriate way. Step outside of that box and they will once again give you that queer, "is he alright?" look.

You are expected to talk. Silence is a sin in today's culture. Today's culture does not appreciate the fact that people can bond without even saying a single word.

You are expected to be opinionated.

You are expected to have this thing called a "social life". Else you are a pretty low-worth human being. You are expected to have this "circle of friends" whose drama you talk about with other friends. Your plans for the weekend matter more than your intelligence or anything else.

Basically:

You can't just interact with people "however you want to". Society has set us up with "particular ways" with which to interact with others (and to live our life, actually). And frankly, I just hate those artificial constraints of culture.

You might say then what do I mean by a "pure" social interaction. Well, I think adults have a lot to learn from 2-to-3 year olds. They're just so truthful towards eachother. They don't sit around and gossip about certain things.

Or, think about being stranded on an island with someone else. You two have to co-operate in order to survive. What will develop (in my eyes anyway), is a true human connection where your shared humanity matters more than any of the trivialities "culture" imposes on us.

You have typically aspergerish thinking, at least acording to what read about them. We are mad from the perspective of others (I have allegedly AS), but sometimes normal people seem to me not very normal. It will be probably because I am not normal, so how can I judge?
 

just wanna b normal

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i dont really get what your talking about but i think most of what your talking about is that just life! thats the way it is. i woulnt mind starting off with small talk as long as my opinions gets heard. cuzz you wouldnt wanna approach somone you dont know and say this is what i think! well you can theres no rule against it but you wanna make sure that person is listening thats why you always greet first & say hey my name is this & that & oh yeah blah blah blah then you can start getting deeper.

& i dont get why you said we have to socialize isn't that what we all want is to know how to socialize? so we can finally make friends ask a girl out socialize with people interact.:confused:
 

Mokkat

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I'd like to go live in Japan.

Except for certain aspects of their morales and ethics - like the concept of honor/shame which among others leads to robbery rates 100 times lower than in the US - it seems that culture has exploded in japan, to a point where preoccupations with conduct has become less important.
You could go to a restaurant dressed in 1800-century gentleman's clothes and tophat, or in full cosplay Alphonse Elric body armor, and noone would give you bad comments or sarcasm about it. They are generally less sarcastic there too.
That's what my impression of Japan is. It might be false, but at least it gives me a motive to start saving some money to visit there :)
 

Lea

Banned
There is nothing wrong with social norms, we all keep them to some extent quite naturally.

What the OP probably means is that some of them became too hypocritical, people are not used to talking about things openly, so the social interaction becomes a complicated game, based on evading the truth :), everybody is pretending something and you have to join and pretend as well, because otherwise you would break their game. If you don't like it, you're obviously out.

Or Christmas, for example. People rarely give presents because they WANT to but because they HAVE to, because it's done, because everyone does it so there is obligation to keep up. In the end it almost becomes a competiton game and looses its original meaning - giving presents just for the joy of it, as a genuine expression of love..

Christmas is not a time for peaceful being together, but a stressful time full of nervosity and fear that we might disappoint someone, that our presents will not be up to the expecations.. I once heard a mother complaining that her daughter gave her a cheap present. Instead of being grateful for it, she was indignated because she took it as a sign that her daughter didn't value her enough. Because of all the misunderstandings regarding presents, people increasingly start giving money. In the future it will become a norm, haha, what a weird custom isn't it. I give you $100, become $100. What do we actually do it for?
 
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DespairSoul

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Well, live is only theater and we are figures in live.

Rules or non rules is how it is. And we must take it or just suffer. Only two ways how to accept that. I personaly dont like juding and rules, but some rules
are good. If will be everything emotion free splited out what we think i dont know if will be much better as is now. Is good to have some system. This system what we have now i agree in some cases is very bad. One day will people anyway kill each other or will be some cruel war between each other again.:eek:::(:
 
There is nothing wrong with social norms, we all keep them to some extent quite naturally.

What the OP probably means is that some of them became too hypocritical, people are not used to talking about things openly, so the social interaction becomes a complicated game, based on evading the truth :), everybody is pretending something and you have to join and pretend as well, because otherwise you would break their game. If you don't like it, you're obviously out.

Or Christmas, for example. People rarely give presents because they WANT to but because they HAVE to, because it's done, because everyone does it so there is obligation to keep up. In the end it almost becomes a competiton game and looses its original meaning - giving presents just for the joy of it, as a genuine expression of love..

Christmas is not a time for peaceful being together, but a stressful time full of nervosity and fear that we might disappoint someone, that our presents will not be up to the expecations.. I once heard a mother complaining that her daughter gave her a cheap present. Instead of being grateful for it, she was indignated because she took it as a sign that her daughter didn't value her enough. Because of all the misunderstandings regarding presents, people increasingly start giving money. In the future it will become a norm, haha, what a weird custom isn't it. I give you $100, become $100. What do we actually do it for?

Well said. I don't actually celebrate christmas despite it being a day after my birthday, but in general, I agree.
 

awkwardamanda

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Wow. Interesting thoughts.

@Lea, totally agree with you about Christmas. It's a load of commercialized crap. It's stressful. It's all about greed. I never know what to get people. I never want much and end up feeling guilty because no one knows what to get me either. And I'm not a fan of the family get-togethers. I could do without Christmas altogether, but I don't want to be rude and upset my family by choosing not to participate. I just deal with it. I really don't like this time of year. By about mid-November I'm always looking forward to January.
 
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