i cant help but think its everyone's problem. we need to all help create a world which doesn't produce the conditions for these problems to occur in the first place.
You are right everyone is responsible for the way they interact with the world and the impact it can have of the lives of others.
Before you diagnose yourself with low self-esteem or depression, please make sure you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.
William Gibson
I'm trying to change, and I'm not going to make excuses for the assholes, homophobes, racists that are in the world. Humans are the problem they're killing this planet, all 7 billion of them.
Believe it or not we are all connected by atoms (particle physics anyone) and the external environment actually has a significant influence on individuals...
Us the people with SA also influence this symbiotic universe just like any other organism.
what make humans bad and awful to be around is hateful ,judgmental and controlling people.
yeah, but if i hate all the hateful people for being hateful and judge all the judgmental people for being judgmental, doesn't that make me better than all those people i despise for thinking they're better than me?
yeah, but if i hate all the hateful people for being hateful and judge all the judgmental people for being judgmental, doesn't that make me better than all those people i despise for thinking they're better than me?
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ah ... good answer coyote , that good to thank about. I see what your pointing out here you should love your enemy .... I guess. :thinking: the main question is what do you thank make humans strong ? and how does that compare to us with SA ?
Believe it or not we are all connected by atoms (particle physics anyone) and the external environment actually has a significant influence on individuals...
Us the people with SA also influence this symbiotic universe just like any other organism.
Yes, this.
People often believe that they are individuals who are thinking critically and that their desires and dreams come from some magical unique place in their being, but the truth is they're just as influenced by the media, the society, etc. as everyone else... and they can be manipulated into doing things that are cruel or wrong on a mass scale. If enough people agree that a certain behavior is 'proper', then it doesn't matter if it's inherently 'good' or 'valid'... and if it isn't being questioned, then the majority of people aren't going to take it upon themselves to question it-- if it's particularly objectionable, they'll participate with disgust or irony, lightly reprimanding themselves every now and then while projecting the blame onto an abstract 'they' which they are a part of but have no real control over.
Saying that it's always the case that anyone who doesn't 'fit in' is the problem is also saying that anyone who hated Hitler in Nazi Germany was wrong. It's not always a bad thing to be at odds with society... society doesn't always empower the good or the righteous and behavior that it paints as problematic isn't necessarily so in another context.
yeah, but if i hate all the hateful people for being hateful and judge all the judgmental people for being judgmental, doesn't that make me better than all those people i despise for thinking they're better than me?
People often believe that they are individuals who are thinking critically and that their desires and dreams come from some magical unique place in their being, but the truth is they're just as influenced by the media, the society, etc. as everyone else... and they can be manipulated into doing things that are cruel or wrong on a mass scale. If enough people agree that a certain behavior is 'proper', then it doesn't matter if it's inherently 'good' or 'valid'... and if it isn't being questioned, then the majority of people aren't going to take it upon themselves to question it-- if it's particularly objectionable, they'll participate with disgust or irony, lightly reprimanding themselves every now and then while projecting the blame onto an abstract 'they' which they are a part of but have no real control over.
Saying that it's always the case that anyone who doesn't 'fit in' is the problem is also saying that anyone who hated Hitler in Nazi Germany was wrong. It's not always a bad thing to be at odds with society... society doesn't always empower the good or the righteous and behavior that it paints as problematic isn't necessarily so in another context.
true and the way we critique things, like the method that we rationalise is constructed by society too. The fact that we are no different biologically from the first homo sapiens 195,000 years ago is testament to the power society has on the formation of the individual.
Social anxiety sufferers have an illness, a mental illness.
If someone has the measles, we say they have measles, not a problem.
Same should go for a mental illness, but it doesn't. And that is where the stigma around mental illness comes in. It's different to other illnesses.
Some sufferers of depression and anxiety believe that the problem is all theirs, it's their fault, the world would be better off without them. This is unhelpful thinking. To realise that is not all their fault, that they have values, and their life has value.
I think is important also to discover what contributes to the illness, and sometimes that is environment and the abusive behaviour of others. It isn't all in our heads, and irrational fears.
The realisation that mental illness is not all their problem could be life saving.
Wow. This is getting a bit off topic. I suppose the title if this thread is a bit misleading. I just meant that people with SA are seen as the ones without social skills yet a lot of the time it's the "normal" people who are the ones lacking in those areas. The only difference is is they have no anxiety about talking or socialising but it doesn't mean they're good at it.
...I just meant that people with SA are seen as the ones without social skills yet a lot of the time it's the "normal" people who are the ones lacking in those areas. The only difference is is they have no anxiety about talking or socialising but it doesn't mean they're good at it.
that's a very good observation :thumbup:
and that should inspire us to not worry so much about whether we'll flub up and go ahead and practice socializing
after all, if those people are able to make that big of an *** of themselves and still manage to come out smelling like a rose, then why can't we?
have no awareness when it comes to other people's feelings.
that's a huge part of the population imo. most people seem oblivious to my feelings and aren't in any way respectful to me or mindful of me when i'm upset. most people only care about number one,themselves.
one of my favorite quotes is from oscar wilde, " I thinks it's very healthy to spend time alone. You need to know how to be alone and not be defined by another person." I feel like, not all, but many extroverts are so extroverted because they feel like without other people surrounding them they are nothing and therefore never truly get to know themselves as an individual. introverts are very thoughtful especially when it comes to their own personalities. we know ourselves better than most and are able to understand just what causes our many idiosyncrasies while others just go through their early life just trying to be accepted. i sometimes feel my social anxiety is a gift. it has given me so much time for meaningful thought and introspection. while i may not feel comfortable in the outside world, inside i know who i am and am slowly becoming happy with that. i just wish i could meet someone similar to me to share this with.
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