A question to the good looking.

i have it because i used to be very good at everything but my closest friend was an unbalanced kid and he always felt so bad about my success, and because i was so naive and an easy target at the time. the things i heard from him everyday were so bad and constant, and i still remained his friend, but when the time came those words started affecting me, and now i'm like this. i think noone ever liked him, people that are close to him always talk bad things about him on his back. there was a point in my life in which he was dedicated to permanently ruining my life in many different ways, and he did succeed in many. now it's like he turned me into him. i don't seem him anymore, but i'm a wreck now. nowadays, noone ever talks to me in clear disrespect, or i'd really kick their ass. so i'm not like you, i was forced into this, it's like i was shot but the bullet wasn't real. i still don't understand people who have this because of nothing, and i really don't give a fuck about them because those people never fighted, they're just weak.

and just so you know what i had to face, let me just tell you it was 9 years, and i was a kid, of daily remark about my defects, any odd word i said, any odd move i did, talking shit on my back (still everyone was always my friend as his enemy), impersonation, contact list deletes (specially unrecoverable contacts), depreciative comments everytime i cut my hair, my clothes, my shoes, my voice, every individual performance, presentation, every opinion he disagreed with, and that's enough for what i could remember in two minutes.

and this is why i look good and i have it, its been wearing away fast these last years and i know i wont be this way anymore when im like 21, but too much of my life will already be lost.
 

droogy

New member
Only Good Looking People truly have SP

Okay let me ask you all to take a time out from your self-pity, and a time out from all the other self-pity mongers co-signing your BS. When a good-looking person has trouble with social skills, it is unusual and it defies all logic & common sense. It's truly on due to some type of disorder. When an unattactive person has trouble socializing & fitting in with society, getting dates, it is normal. It is NOT Social Phobia. Whoever started this whole "good-looking people don't really have SP" is an idiot. Ugly people getting slighted, rejected, having trouble with the popular crowd is as American as apple pie and not even worth a second look.

They just need to get wise that our society is screwed up & they have been picked on because American society is sick. There's nothing actually wrong with them. What is so unusual about an unattractive, geeky person being shy. NOTHING!

Quit judging your insides by other peoples outsides!
 

droogy

New member
Only good looking people truly have SP SA

Okay let me ask you all to take a time out from your self-pity, and a time out from all the other self-pity mongers co-signing your BS. When a good-looking person has trouble with social skills, it is unusual and it defies all logic & common sense. It's truly on due to some type of disorder. When an unattactive person has trouble socializing & fitting in with society, getting dates, it is normal. It is NOT Social Phobia. Whoever started this whole "good-looking people don't really have SP" is an idiot. Ugly people getting slighted, rejected, having trouble with the popular crowd is as American as apple pie and not even worth a second look.

They just need to get wise that our society is screwed up & they have been picked on because American society is sick. There's nothing actually wrong with them. What is so unusual about an unattractive, geeky person being shy. NOTHING!

Quit judging your insides by other peoples outsides!
 

droogy

New member
Continuing: I am 38 years old and when I walk into a room, every single woman stares at me everywhere I go. Why? Because I am good looking. Wanna know how many girlfriends I've had? ZERO! That's right, none. But HOW, WHY? BECAUSE I HAVE SOCIAL PHOBIA.

Got it. A good looking guy who models but can't get a date or a second date, now that's weird. I'll say it again. Now that is unusual, & it defies common sense. You would say, how, well this could only be due to some kind of disorder. BINGO! Now, you've got it. That's Social Phobia. A phobia is something that is irrational and defies all common sense.

When I try talking to woman I get so nervous that eventually it gets so uncomfortable for both me & her that I become unattractive to her and the whole things a wash. I cannot ever get a second date, no sex, no girlfriend ever. It sucks. I am just a celibate ornament. It is hell, especially when you know most women in the room actually ARE attracted to you.
 

KevVversion1

Active member
First thing to say on this is - everbodies story is different, just because something wouldnt fit in to your story - it doesnt mean they don't have the same problems. You have to try and look beyond your own life to judge other people, judging people by your own life is always a dangerous thing to do.

I wouldnt consider myself ugly, I dont mind posting pics, nor would I consider myself good looking. I have no trouble getting girlfriends but I consider myself average looking. But I can tell you beyond doubt I have Social Anxiety - I'm not gonna try and justify myself for being on here because I dont need to. But since you asked I will tell you how somebody (me) can have a girlfriend yet suffer from social anxiety problems.

Firstly, I never had a girlfriend until I was 25 because of SA - so I have been in that situation. The SA even now would limit my oppurtunities of meeting a girlfriend. I built a "social life" through the internet because I was isolated - I used alcohol whilst out to give me the confidence to form friendships and relationships. These things lasted on and off for about 4 years because eventually I didnt want to be known as "the drunk guy" - by the way I never drunk EVER before meeting those friends at age 25, and I never drink alone so you could not label me alcoholic during that period of my life, I simply used alcohol to self medicate SA so I could try and have a social life. I wouldnt recommend it because those "friends" only wanted to hang about with me because I was a "funny drunk guy" and later I realised they were making fun of me not really true friends, I never got the respect they gave their other friends so as I tried to develop the confidence to be more sober around them I could see what was going on. Also I could see I was going down a dangerous route with the alcohol so decided it wasnt the way to do things. Plus those said friends tried to split me up with my girlfriend by telling her I was cheating when I wasnt - but she believed them and started punching me. I had one long term relationship through those friends (2 and a half years) - I used alcohol for about 3 months with this girl before I had the confidence to see her without alcohol, eventually I was comfortable enough with her sober to be myself with her. Meeting her family was different though, I still needed to drink to meet them - eventually they got fed up of me drinking so got banned from their house (Problem solved) so for the majority of the relationship I would see her alone, and we would do things alone and go out for meals or cinema etc which didnt involve having to converse with people I wasnt comfotable with.

That relationship ended because in short she was violent, so I was meeting other women online for brief drunken encounters. When that relationship ended I got back in with the friends I met her through. You could say I was using them because I had no other route to build my life from, but I figured they used me enough coz I used to buy most of the drink etc. So through them I met my current girlfriend who ironically at writing I have been with for 2 and a half years. Again we had a falling out with so called friends because I couldnt handle being treated different to the other friends in the group (probably because of my SA).

Using the experience of the first relationship and some of the anger of her leaving me I did things a bit different with this girlfriend. Firstly I passed driving test and got a car in an effort to improve my confidence so I didnt feel inferior to other guys. This alone gave me the confidence to get to know this girl alone - it was hard but considering she has a crazy personality, I can get along with those types of people myself because if I can see they dont care about making an idiot of theirselves and will say stupid things - then what does it matter if I do? so that meant I was able to get to know her sober. When it came to meeting her family - since this girl was linked to previous girlfriend through friends and their families, they had heard rumours about my drinking etc. So again that gave me the determination to prove them wrong, I was gonna prove I could meet her parents and not drink and prove it was my ex-girlfriend that was violent and she lied saying I was violent to cover for it. So I had to meet my new girlfriends parents and be questioned by her family about all these rumours flying about - I was as nervous as hell and turned back and went home the first time I was meant to do it, when I eventually did do it - my knee and hands was shaking the whole time I was sat there literally being interegated. Slowly I got to know her mum and brother and was semi-ok chatting to them - I am always very quiet and not comfortable but with my girlfriend there I just about cope most of the time and can make occassional small talk.

You could say I am a recovering SA sufferer because until I was 25 it was full blown - I literally did not leave the house from about aged 17 other than one job I did for a few years where I coped by literally ignoring everybody there and making out I didnt care, but it was mostly a solitary job so just swallowed being thought a mute freak for an hour or so a day where I was in the sorting office. The only reason I got that job is because it was before I ever got the internet, so I never even realised I had a problem - I just thought I was a freak for not having the confidence to go out and have a life. So I was pretty much forced to find a job by the job center because I was only signed on as a job seeker because I had no idea I would be classed as sick. After doing that for about 4 years I eventually had enough time out until they sacked me - so I could sign on again. But coz I earned a bit of money I got the internet and found out about SA and SP so realised I was entitled to incapacity benefit because the ONLY reason I avoided work was because I couldnt handle the social side of things, ok I worked for a few years but surely walking around thinking your a mute freak and literally ignoring everybody is not something anybody should have to go through - i hated every moment of it. It was at this time where I managed through the internet to build some sort of social life (not exactly a great one - but it was something). So as we speak I'm still on my journey to recover - to be honest I dont think I ever will completly, the feelings of insecurity around new people is too strong and I have 3 choices, either swallow being known as "quiet" which I really cant stand because every time that happens it just crushes you down a few more notches - or I can have a drink, which these days I usually chose not to unless it is specifically a night out where drinking would be expected. The 3rd option is to avoid the situation alltogether which again I hate doing because I promised myself I wouldnt let my SA hold me back from doing things - I would swallow it and just ride with the blows of whatever people wanna throw at me and try hard not to care - even though deep down I do. Right now, I still have my girlfriend and I have a job. I decided to get off incapcity benefit to try and build some sort of "normal" life with my girlfriend. Should also mention I used my amazing powers of drunken confidence to do a telesales job for 6 months. So by now through hook or crook I had developed a bit more natural confidence to think I could have a stab at getting a job - in the back of my mind I knew I could leave if I couldnt cope with the social side, but I was gonna at least have a go. I tried a few different things before finding something I could cope with - just about. Even now I only just get by - I find I can chat sometimes to people - I'm usually ok 1 on 1 when I havent got to shout to get heard and I havent got 3 pairs of eyes looking at me just coz I dared to open my mouth. So I get by, I'm still pretty much silent in group situations at work but usually just get by saying something here and there - but I have bad days when I go 3/4 hours without speaking to anybody and it drives me mad and makes me think I wanna leave. But luckily they are all nice people there so they seem to just accept me the way I am - and usually somebody will make an effort to talk to me and not just think I'm an ignorant git. A bit of advice here, if you have trouble knowing what to say etc - I have found it amazing how you can get by most conversations without actually saying much at all - people do not respond well to arrogance (so never over compensate for SA with this) - they dont respond well to people who are always down on themselves and depressive (so avoid even mentioning your problems - if anybody knew I would immediatly feel the spotlight on what I say get 20 times brighter) - so whats left? just simply stupid humour, a bit of sarcasm and a few standard short words of agreement etc then on top of that when you have done a few things and got out, even if it goes bad at least its an experience you have and its something to say if you get asked "have a nice weekend?" - everybody who does this is only good at it because they have had so much practise, SA means you get no practise so you havent worked out a formula for conversations - you just need to work something out to cope, unfortuantly the only way to learn is trial and error - you need to be brave enough to just have a go and swallow anything that is thrown at you - but again like me, you can only do that when your ready. Again that advice is only directed at people who have problems with not knowing what to say, anxiety over what they are going to say, being thought quiet and generally being uncomfortable socially - obviously if you have problems regarding appearance - I am not suggesting it would be this easy, I realise there are different degrees of this and am not gonna sit here and say I have it worse than anybody else - obviously people have it worse than me and probably think "god he's done all this stuff how can he have SA" ... to be honest, with how I feel about all this stuff, if I had serious issues regarding my appearance I really would never go out - so trust me I'm not gonna pretend I could deal with that because I couldnt. But I have never had that problem, so that makes things a bit easier for me and probably is the reason I can salvage something from my mostly wasted life.

In short what Im saying is - are we gonna sit here and say there is no hope for people with SA? have we all got to NEVER go out and sit here calling ourselves SA sufferers for the rest of our lives. Some people might have to - and I feel for those people. But those people also have to accept that there are some people with SA that try to cope with it, they make various attempts to combat it - they can build some sort of life and recover to some extent. Because I am trying to cope with SA does that mean I no longer have it??? I may not have Social Phobia anymore because I try not to be avoidant, but this website is clearly for people with SA as well. I regard myself as somebody who used to have SP and is now TRYING to recover from SA - in my view that gives me a right to be here.

Maybe not the answer you expected - but just goes to show, like I said -everybodies story is different.
 

Rigil

Active member
Hylke said:
Furthermore I am reading about people with boy/girlfriends, with children. And it is towards those people I direct this question. Why are you posting on a social phobia board? It seems like you have no trouble dealing with the social aspect of life.

I don't mean to be judging people here, I was just wondering why you decided to come and post here, because I honestly don't understand.

You are making an incorrect correlation that people with SP don't or can't have relationships.
  • I have, and have had, relationships with the opposite sex.
  • The word "healthy" does not appear in the above sentence.
  • I have not overcome the traditional problems most of us have.
  • I have never asked anyone out.
  • I have avoided situations that would have been overwhelmingly beneficial, because they required social interaction.
  • I still have panic attacks with seriously unpleasant, physical side effects when faced with "routine" tasks of using the phone, going through a drive through, or answering my front door.
  • My relationships did not begin with a date or with conversation; they are all quite accidental.
My first girlfriend, for example, was literally running on foot from the police and ran into my car.
She begged me for a ride, and I obliged.
I was so starved for any kind of contact, I knowingly let this woman use me, before any relationship started.
I married that woman, and of course the marriage didn't last.
I was simply a way out of the situation she was in. :oops:

Fast forward to today, 18 years and 2 "almost relationships" later...
Despite having SP, avoidant traits, body dysmorphic disorder, borderline thinking, and IBS-d during my very common anxiety attacks, I have a girlfriend.

Having this set of problems doesn't just go away when you "find" someone.
In my instance, the self esteem issues that drive my social phobia also drive questions like "What does she see in me? Is she desperate?".
That can rapidly push away many people.
The phobia doesn't go away, either, so those of us that are in a bad relationship rarely look elsewhere.
That can set up codependency issues that can do even more damage, like the above mentioned marriage.

I find myself quite fortunate that I have someone good in my life, yet there are still fears of anything requiring human contact.
That includes her, and she's quite human.
She understands the definition of SP, but doesn't think like a person who has it.
This sets up some very painful and awkward situations, but it also keeps me "on my toes". :lol:
 

NightTimeForever

Well-known member
Re: Only Good Looking People truly have SP

droogy said:
Okay let me ask you all to take a time out from your self-pity, and a time out from all the other self-pity mongers co-signing your BS. When a good-looking person has trouble with social skills, it is unusual and it defies all logic & common sense. It's truly on due to some type of disorder. When an unattactive person has trouble socializing & fitting in with society, getting dates, it is normal. It is NOT Social Phobia. Whoever started this whole "good-looking people don't really have SP" is an idiot. Ugly people getting slighted, rejected, having trouble with the popular crowd is as American as apple pie and not even worth a second look.

They just need to get wise that our society is screwed up & they have been picked on because American society is sick. There's nothing actually wrong with them. What is so unusual about an unattractive, geeky person being shy. NOTHING!

You do realize that there are plenty of unattractive people that aren't shy, don't you? That being said I sort of see where you are coming from, especially in concerns to relationships with the opposite sex.

I've been told I'm good looking, many times. One girl came up to me and just gave me her number. Yet, comments from other guys have stinted my development in this area, but I have to realize it comes from either conscious or subconscious jealousy, or just ignorance.

Girls have TOLD me I'm attractive, ones I don't even know. And I still have doubts. But, I'm working on bulking up my body(muscle) to improve my self-esteem, it's worked somewhat I guess. I just wish I had confidence all along instead of wasting much of my youth.



Quit judging your insides by other peoples outsides!
 

nofriends34

Member
I don't understand how anyone with true social phobia can have any sort of human relationship. When I see people on here say that they have girlfriends/boyfriends and friends, I think to myself "well you're not as bad me". I'm 22 and have never had a friend or a girlfriend in my life. I've had SA as long as I can remember. I literally live in my room. My anxiety is so bad that I can't even go for a walk outside. The thought of having a friend or girlfriend is alien to me. I'm so used to being alone. I don't know how you people with SA get friends. It baffles me.

My guess is that people have SA to different degrees and I must have a very severe form.
 

Marie1988

Well-known member
bleach said:
It is pretty obvious that certain people here do not truly have social phobia, they are likely just a little awkward in conversation and have blown the problem out of proportion. But then those people also tend not to stick around very long, probably realizing that their issues were fleeting or not as bad as they first thought.

Edit: On attractive women with social phobia. It is understandable, since society demand far less of them to remain attractive/interesting than other people. So they can get away with being shy while remaining popular.

i totally agree with what ur saying. its alot easier to get on in the world being a shy female then a shy male. no so much easier...but less noticeable, becuase as far back as time women in western societies have been sposed to just smile and be pretty and laugh at jokes, obv these days were aloud to have personalities too lol. but its like when u get a woman who is cocky and loud, depending on how she goes about it can be really unattractive, even to another woman, where as if a man does it, its just boys will be boys.
i think in soceity the cruel reality is that the more good looking you are, the more u can lack in personality and still be popular. that like the stereotype that all fat people are jolly aint it, also if your good loooking and have the best personality people wont like you, because u have best of both worlds.
people are strange they really are lol
 

Rigil

Active member
nofriends34 said:
I don't understand how anyone with true social phobia can have any sort of human relationship. When I see people on here say that they have girlfriends/boyfriends and friends, I think to myself "well you're not as bad me". I'm 22 and have never had a friend or a girlfriend in my life. I've had SA as long as I can remember. I literally live in my room. My anxiety is so bad that I can't even go for a walk outside. The thought of having a friend or girlfriend is alien to me. I'm so used to being alone. I don't know how you people with SA get friends. It baffles me.

My guess is that people have SA to different degrees and I must have a very severe form.

Don't take this as me being critical or judgmental.
Social phobia isn't keeping you in your room.
That's what your are doing to deal with social phobia.
It's what most of us do.
If avoiding things takes control of your life, a lot more is at risk than relationships.
Unless you receive some other type of monetary support, it's going to be a challenge get a job, let alone keep one.
I still have social phobia, I just refuse to give in to it anymore.
I've dealt with social phobia for about 24 years, and avoided all social situations for most of that time.
It's still ongoing, but at least the web is here and I know what's going on now.
I don't have any magic answers or solutions.
I can tell you this: Avoiding social situations almost guarantees you won't have one, and a relationship is a social situation.
That's true regardless of any condition.
 

dpr

Well-known member
nofriends34 said:
I don't understand how anyone with true social phobia can have any sort of human relationship. When I see people on here say that they have girlfriends/boyfriends and friends, I think to myself "well you're not as bad me". I'm 22 and have never had a friend or a girlfriend in my life. I've had SA as long as I can remember. I literally live in my room. My anxiety is so bad that I can't even go for a walk outside. The thought of having a friend or girlfriend is alien to me. I'm so used to being alone. I don't know how you people with SA get friends. It baffles me.

My guess is that people have SA to different degrees and I must have a very severe form.

Would you say you have always had extreme social phobia, or was there a time in your life when you did have friends? I'm guessing there was.

A lot of us have friends "left over" from when our Social Phobia wasn't that bad.

Also, some of us have friends because we have gone out and made them because we are TRYING TO GET BETTER. It doesn't mean we are better yet.

I don't understand why that's so hard for people to figure out.

As someone has said already, everyone's story is different.
 

Klumsy

New member
Hi,

I am a new member and have just lost my (first ,obviously)boyfriend due to my social phobia being left untreated. I don't have any friends because I stopped having a normal life aged 12 . He was my only friend and I feel rotten that aged nearly 30 I still can't do normal things like go to the shops or cinema.
I met him via my phone and after months of just text/calls ,I finally told him where I live (I didn't want to meet due to feeling ugly and nervous that my issues would make a relationship impossible) and we had been together ever since but why would a normal person stick with someone who would rather stay inside than meet people?
 
I started going out with my boyfriend before I developed bad social phobia and agoraphobia. I also had loads of friends at the time, and now have one or two friends now who I see very occasionally.

Just because some people haven't had it all their life, or like me blocked it out and ignored until it took over and ruined my life, doesn't mean that they can't have social phobia, or that you must have it worse than them and they're not really phobics at all.

To be honest it's kind of annoying that someone who has had a particular experience suddenly decides that someone in a different boat, someone who used to have a good life but now has hardly anything, has it better than them. And even though they can't leave the house or be around people now, they USED TO be able so therefore there mustn't be anything wrong with them.
 

Meili

Member
I suppose I'm lucky because I have been pursued by a lot of guys, but every time I date a guy, right as soon as it becomes serious I just automatically dislike the guy and dump him, mostly for no reason except that I don't like him any more. And I just devastate them!

Right now I'm lucky enough to have a very persistant boyfriend. I dumped him, and he just didn't give up. He's the only guy I've ever dated to be so determined. I like to think my sparkling personality keeps them on my hook 8)
 

aussie135

Member
You don't not get social phobia just because you are good looking, it just makes it a bit easier in some ways. I still hooked up with chicks at parties with help of alcohol but never had many girlfriends. I only realised I had this 4 weeks ago. I just thought it was me. Since I found out I had it I have became much more housebound as before I was doing whatever I wanted and ignoring the things that were troubling me.
 

elleklobber

Member
I used to be with someone who made my SA/SP worse by the way he was and I thought i would never find anyone else. Then one day I met a great guy (online Il add) and its perfect. I never thought I could be so happy even with SP. Hes very understanding and i hvae been able to chat to him about all my worries and he helps me and supports me through everything.

But if I werent with him I doubt I would be in a relationship right now. I was lucky! I think most people dont understand things like this unless they suffer from it themselves
 
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