The words of a bully or brutal honesty?

Just reading through a bullying website set up by a young boy who is experiencing bullying himself, and he has a page on 'adult bullies'. However, I'm not sure if this adult really is a bully or if s/he is telling the truth, as there is a lot of truth in what he says, which I have underlined.

let's call this what it is. You're a little overly sensitive and some kids beat your ass. This should have woken you up to the concept that society is violent in general, and while you may be able to expect less violence in your adult life, you'll likely end up being pushed into a middle management job, and retiring at the young age of 94 with lots of permanent marker on your face. You're ok with that though, because you have 7 cats to keep you company.

Instead of being inspired by "The Karate Kid" like the rest of us, and going to take a martial arts class, and then later discovering beer and quitting, you put your cry baby bullshit out there on the Internet. As a man... with a penis... and nuts... your job in this case is to purchase one or more of the following:

A punching bag.
A membership to the gym.

An ego - even a small one will do.
A dick and corresponding set of balls.


Your mom and your aunt and the nice lawyer lady are all going to sue the school now because you're an artistic pussy. Doesn't that make you feel a little bit weird? You could financially benefit from not knowing how to protect yourself. Its any wonder that this story was aired on Fox.... By the way, your flock of moms are going to take all the money and blow it at the spa, and you're going to end up resenting women for the rest of your life. Remember that I said this.

Patrick, this is a wakeup call. Its not the school's job to protect your scrawny know nothing ass. It's your job. And if you get a girlfriend (which seems seriously unlikely at this point), its your job to protect her too.

Stop putting the burden of the fact that you're on the downslope of darwinism on the rest of us and go work out. Or, start hanging out with the art fags. Pussy.

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As callous as he may sound, I do think the "bully" has a point. It is one's own responsibility to take care of oneself, and to sue a school for bullying suffered is kind of like passing the buck, is it not?

Cynic said:

It is one's own responsibility to take care of oneself, and to sue a school for bullying suffered is kind of like passing the buck, is it not?

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Suing a school is probably counterproductive but I do believe that everyone should help take care of each other more. The individual has an important part to play but if they are incapable for any reason, then those with more power should step in.

Guy just sounds like a prick to me. Theres ten to a penny

Cynic said:

Just reading through a bullying website set up by a young boy who is experiencing bullying himself, and he has a page on 'adult bullies'. However, I'm not sure if this adult really is a bully or if s/he is telling the truth, as there is a lot of truth in what he says, which I have underlined.


As callous as he may sound, I do think the "bully" has a point. It is one's own responsibility to take care of oneself, and to sue a school for bullying suffered is kind of like passing the buck, is it not?

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Why is it that bullies must be beaten the shit out of? Why is it that we have to get into a fist fight with them. I think I can kick ass, but why? I don't like it. I'm not weaker.

Why is it that whenever someone has a bully people AUTOMATICALLY think that person is weaker in physiology and physical combat? We are not even dealing with physical fighting, they are dealing with WORDS and IDEALS.

Cynic said:

Just reading through a bullying website set up by a young boy who is experiencing bullying himself, and he has a page on 'adult bullies'. However, I'm not sure if this adult really is a bully or if s/he is telling the truth, as there is a lot of truth in what he says, which I have underlined.


As callous as he may sound, I do think the "bully" has a point. It is one's own responsibility to take care of oneself, and to sue a school for bullying suffered is kind of like passing the buck, is it not?

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Grade A alpha male all the bitches with lose degraded pussies get wet reading this shit. whores (but obviously not whores with the good men).

I agree. Not so much with the bully, but suing a school for this is just ridiculous.
The victim should take responsiblity for his own protection.

I can't forgive the contributer (aka "Jesus McBuddhallama") for his/her foul manner of presenting this, however. There is some truth in what he says (albeit, little) but overall he's just a complete dick.

"artistic pussy" "art fags" - How pathetic.

all bullies are bullies for the women. all pricks are pricks for the women. all men act like macho men, violent pricks (who can't even take responsibility for themselves) for the women, and because of women.

And they eat it up. The women support this, and they breed it.

Flowers-Of-Bloom said:

I agree. Not so much with the bully, but suing a school for this is just ridiculous.
The victim should take responsiblity for his own protection.

I can't forgive the contributer (aka "Jesus McBuddhallama") for his/her foul manner of presenting this, however. There is some truth in what he says (albeit, little) but overall he's just a complete dick.

"artistic pussy" "art fags" - How pathetic.

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wow. you actually think he's a DICK?

I still think if you met him you would probably jump on it.

people might think: "Oh bullies have it worse off. they are in need of attention, perhaps a girlfriend. not the one being bullied though. he's worthless. he doesn't suffer at all. bullies take it out on others because he doesn't have anyone to support him, or to listen to him, so he takes it out on others because he wants others to feel pain just like him".

There's a flaw in that thinking (obviously). Pain comes in all different forms, and are unique. Making another feel pain, is most likely not going to cause them to feel the same kind of pain you are feeling.

Yet there are many people out there that suffer worse than that guy, and he doesn't take it out on anyone.

BlackKids said:

Guy just sounds like a prick to me. Theres ten to a penny

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Whoa you made that 4 photo'd photo
Smart
And sorry i was ignoring you today :: annoying lil guy was talking to me keeping me away from cool guys like you [:
Hope you don't hate me man
xx
& sorry for like, randomly posting this on this thread
xx

no1 said:

wow. you actually think he's a DICK?

I still think if you met him you would probably jump on it.

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I don't like dick. I'm asexual.

Perhaps I used wrong wording. 'He's coming across as a complete <insert vile name here>,' might be more accurate as to what I was trying to say.

Cynic said:

As callous as he may sound, I do think the "bully" has a point. It is one's own responsibility to take care of oneself, and to sue a school for bullying suffered is kind of like passing the buck, is it not?

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We don't live in the jungle where everyone is on their own. We are humans and cultured, and we have agreed upon laws. It's best to deal with situations within those laws for every one's good and for things to progress instead of regressing. If someone really wants to stand up to bullies, they should join the military or the law enforcement. Even if they can't because of a physical ailment, or if they are plain scared, that's okay too. They should find something they are good at and do it.

So I agree with what the "bully" says about the world being violent and standing up against it. It just doesn't have to include resorting to violence on your own. And we can thank centuries of human progress for that.

Flowers-Of-Bloom said:

I agree. Not so much with the bully, but suing a school for this is just ridiculous.
The victim should take responsiblity for his own protection.

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Exactly.

no1 said:

people might think: "Oh bullies have it worse off. they are in need of attention, perhaps a girlfriend. not the one being bullied though. he's worthless.

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Unfortunately, that is the law of nature.

no1 said:

he doesn't suffer at all.

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No, its just that no one cares about the victim's suffering. The bully is higher in the pecking order, and therefore does count.

no1 said:

bullies take it out on others because he doesn't have anyone to support him

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Everyone supports the bully. "My enemy's enemy is my friend", and all that.

Reiji Moritsugu said:

Actually, bullies are the ones who should get an ego and a set of balls, since they only dare to act against those who seem weaker than them. People like that don´t even lift a finger against someone who seems to be as strong as them, or stronger.

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Because the stronger ones are proven as worthy. Also the stronger ones will support the bully.

Reiji Moritsugu said:

And the best part...they freak out when someone who they think is going to just accept everything beats the **** out of them.

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That's because they have the authority to bully some people.

mndigi said:

We don't live in the jungle where everyone is on their own. We are humans and cultured, and we have agreed upon laws.

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These laws can be and are selectively enforced/ignored by the enforcers. If you're a socially accepted individual, you can bully those who aren't. That is universally agreed in all walks of life. When you're a pariah, someone beats you up, that's no big deal as you don't matter. If you fight back, you are breaking the law as the authorities, who recognise the bully as "one of them", take exception. That is tacitlly agreed in every walk of life.

We don't live in the jungle where everyone is on their own. We are humans and cultured, and we have agreed upon laws.

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This is non-sense. We live in the jungle. One of a different kind, though - this modern jungle has its unspoken laws to which one must adapt. I agree with the bully in pretty much every single aspect. The way he presented his ideas was unprovidential, though.

Ideally, the world would be different, full of nice people, who love each other, and help each other, and are largely altruistic, selfless. That simply isn't the case. Hence it is necessary to know how to fight, one way or another. Either mentally, or physically, or both. Martial arts are a proper course of action. Within two years of hard mental and physical training - especially given his or her intrinsic motivation to do so - that bullied child could cause serious injuries to an entire group of aggressive bullies, who are only strong towards the weak.

I disagree with sueing all together, tbh. Especially when it's "Oh noes, I fell of a 10ft wall cause I was being a tw*t, I'm gonna sue my employer!"

And if you get a girlfriend, its your job to protect her too.

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I feel strongly about this point. No doubt I will be seen as sexist by some but yeah, I'd feel worthless if I couldn't protect my partner from violence. I scare myself sometimes because I seriously think I would kill someone if it came to that, in order to protect them.

I've been thinking about joining a martial arts class for these sorts of reasons. I guess I see it as a measure of my masculinity (the ability to fight well.) Amongst many other things.

I think this comes down to whether or not you believe in social darwinism.

By default life favours the strong hegemonic male and so naturally an "artistic pussy" is going to get dicked on especially during adolescence.

That being said as concious beings we can decide when evolution/natural selection is right or wrong.

As far as i'm concerned all our ideals of love and kindness are absent from the brutal world of natural selction and if we wish to progress as a society and species we have to tip the tables in the favour of people who have the attributes we favour as sentient beings, not those which nature favours, so yes the school should have been protecting the kid.

Still, the lawsuit is a bit of a dick thing to do. Should sue the bullies instead.

WelshOne said:

I feel strongly about this point. No doubt I will be seen as sexist by some but yeah, I'd feel worthless if I couldn't protect my partner from violence.

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Absolutely true. I agree that females are right to avoid weaker males. That is natural selection (sexual selection) in action.

WelshOne said:

I've been thinking about joining a martial arts class for these sorts of reasons. I guess I see it as a measure of my masculinity (the ability to fight well.) Amongst many other things.

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Fair enough, and with that, you could probably give the average man a good 1-1 fight. I've done a bit of boxing training, and while I'm no world champ, I could probably give a good account of myself in a square-go with the average man down the pub. However, these days that's not good enough as the majority of men attack in packs. In the old days if (in most cases) you proved you could have a fist fight, then the bullies would leave you alone, and often ask you to join their gang. Nowadays, and especially of you're a social outcast, if you beat one bully 1-1, he'll get his team to back him up, and if you don't have any backup, virtually everyone has carte blanche to bully you. Furthermore, the law will be on his side too. Therefore either way, you will be written off as a good protector, because, as the bullies have the backup, the authority and everyone from the law of the land down to the street corner gang and everyone in between on his side. Once you're a social leper, who's going to back you up? No one.

Cynic said:

Fair enough, and with that, you could probably give the average man a good 1-1 fight. I've done a bit of boxing training, and while I'm no world champ, I could probably give a good account of myself in a square-go with the average man down the pub. However, these days that's not good enough as the majority of men attack in packs. In the old days if (in most cases) you proved you could have a fist fight, then the bullies would leave you alone, and often ask you to join their gang. Nowadays, and especially of you're a social outcast, if you beat one bully 1-1, he'll get his team to back him up, and if you don't have any backup, virtually everyone has carte blanche to bully you. Furthermore, the law will be on his side too. Therefore either way, you will be written off as a good protector, because, as the bullies have the backup, the authority and everyone from the law of the land down to the street corner gang and everyone in between on his side. Once you're a social leper, who's going to back you up? No one.

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Yeah, that's the problem with bullies. They're cowards. They don't know the meaning of a 1 on 1 fight, unless they have a clear size advantage maybe. However, if you are trained to fight and they are not, 1 vs 2 is fair game. Get yourself a reputation, and people will soon leave you alone. One situation where it's good to be seen as a psycho, lol

I'm thinking of this sort of situation: your typical "happy slap" scum.
YouTube - Happy Slap Backfire

Honestly I don't know how the law is where you're from Cynic, or why they would "choose" the bullies side over yours if you're being harrassed. That's when you have to take action if thats the case, into your own hands. Read up on the laws and your rights. If not, a lawyer is an option. I know most people don't and shouldnt have to go that far, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

And btw, whoever it was that sent that email to that CHILD, I think is full of b.s. So you feel like its all to hell, nothing will help, self-defense classes or the law. So pretty much if you're bullied, you're screwed? I don't know but I would not accept this as my final answer. It may feel like that, but I sure as hell wouldn't go down without a fight (phys. or otherwise) if I had too.

I don't know the exact situation of the original kid that was sent that email. But honestly if the school didnt take action when they KNEW it was going on, I say good luck in your case. School's have policies on everything from wearing midriffs to having fights. But what about when the fight is only one way? Who stands up for who? Either A. the school does something about this behavior or B. sue the kid for "assault" and have them punished. Sounds harsh, but it is what it is. Don't forget about the INNOCENT victims here, and they ARE innocent, and don't deserve and should'nt have to take this abuse from their peers, or anyone else for that matter.

I called my local police dept. and asked them about this, they said if it was physical it should be considered "assault". I think the School and the Parents should be the first resort, don't get me wrong. I will be calling my local prosecutors office and local schools Monday morning, and inquiring about this too.