Leadership

gsmax5

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I always feel like a real loser when a motivational speaker comes into class and talks about "Leadership". She basically says that bossy students (AKA leaders) are great people and you should love them because they are the best . She is probably right, but I have never liked bossy people (especially athletic, privileged, attractive, intelligent, popular bossy people). I always thought quiet people can lead, as long as they are in a position of power and they know what to do. I didn't know leadership meant being rude and controlling. I don't want this to turn into a rant/biased argument so I'll stop here

I also don't want to overgeneralize, there are millions of exceptions.

What is your idea of leadership, and the perfect leader?
 

StonedBob

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The idea of the perfect leader is just a cultural thing.
If in western country people prefer an extroverted boss, in China, for example, they respect a lot shy or quiet people and generally, these shy/quiet people have important and leading positions in the hierarchy. Chinese people consider that shy/quiet people are more able to listen to other people opinions, and I believe it's true.
For me, the perfect leader needs to be intelligent (for me it's very important), to listen to other people's opinion (and will not be afraid to change his initial opinion if he considers that other's opinions are better), to take his responsibilities if he made mistakes (and he will not accuse his subordinates) and to stay humble (he knows he's just a part of a bigger group).
 

Helyna

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I agree. I think a leader mostly organizes people and gets them to work together in one group and makes sure they get things done. I remember the first time I took one of those personality tests that tell your leadership ability. I thought that a good leader would be checking all the strongest-willed options, and I was checking the middle-of-the-road ones, so I was being too weak. It turned out that the ones I checked were all the ones that make a good leader and the more bossy ones made someone that other people didn't like.
Quiet people probably make excellent leaders. This is a way we should be more Chinese.
 

madmike

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I really admire people who have good leadership skills (not necessarily bossy, but able to organize people and get them to do things without forcing them). I don't know why, because i have absolutely no leadership qualities, but i guess i just realize how important they are to the social hierarchy. In every group you need a leader... someone who has the courage to finalise decisions. Without them nothing would ever get done.

Also, i don't think shy people could ever be good leaders. Quiet maybe, because that might mean they're listening and considering other people's opinions, but not shy.
 

Thelema

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Anyone can be a leader. If you were somehow stranded in the forest with a bunch of 5 year olds, you'd become a leader pretty quick.
 

Satine

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I always feel like a real loser when a motivational speaker comes into class and talks about "Leadership". She basically says that bossy students (AKA leaders) are great people and you should love them because they are the best . She is probably right, but I have never liked bossy people (especially athletic, privileged, attractive, intelligent, popular bossy people). I always thought quiet people can lead, as long as they are in a position of power and they know what to do. I didn't know leadership meant being rude and controlling. I don't want this to turn into a rant/biased argument so I'll stop here

I also don't want to overgeneralize, there are millions of exceptions.

What is your idea of leadership, and the perfect leader?

I've worked short-term in many places, had a lot of managers. What I consider to be good leadership is as follows:

- the person must be dedicated to their job primarily. A manager I once worked with made a big point that she considered working as just for squares. She pretended she was being cute when she forgot regular events on the work calendar. It was ridiculous.
- the person must be impartial. Wanting a social life as well is fine, but I've worked with managers who just wanted to have fun with their favourite members of the team and it doesn't work, not when the time comes that they need to be even-handed.
- the manager must be friendly and approachable. A volcanic boss is not fun and ends up being told less, in my experience.
- the person must keep a distance from the team. Although it's important that the manager is friendly and approachable, it's always healthier if they occasionally remind us all that they're not one of us at all and actually in charge.
- they must value the team and each individual's strengths and weaknesses, and adjust the distribution of work accordingly.
- they must be secure enough in themselves to be happy to train people. Keeping team members in the dark about things just so that the manager appears to be the only one who knows what they're doing reeks of insecurity.
- they must need to be able to take a break. The boss who can't stop driving themselves, and their team, aren't nice people to work for.
- they must understand, and work according to, the concept of returning to the average. This means that a person will get through an average amount of work per week, and if they do less than average one week, they'll probably improve the next, so what's the point in disciplining them for it too quickly? If someone does well one week, they'll probably do less well (return to their average) the following week, but that doesn't mean there's any harm in praising them for their good output. So long as it is done selectively, praising people is better than putting them down, so a boss who isn't unduly critical is good for me.

That's all I can think of for now, but I'm sure there are more. As far as I'm concerned, good looks, athleticism and bossiness don't necessarily come into it. Me, I'm a manager and therefore do a lot of leading, but I'm quiet, a bit nerdy and just get on with my work. I've got a lot of the techniques down pat, but am not a bright, sunny bastard for it.
 
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