Interesting perspective of Social Phobia

Quiet Angel

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This is something I've been pondering about lately. It's perfectly fine if some of you are skeptical or aren't believers of reincarnation, so hopefully nobody will feel too offended. It's a fascinating subject for me, really. But...what if... the actual reason we have social anxiety without necessarily understanding why we have the phobia could possibly relate to our previous life? Perhaps something traumatizing occured, esp. before the moment of death? It seems mysterious... Or maybe some people have had this occur in their former life while others have ONLY had situations that have happened in their current life? A combination of both?
 

Rheves

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I don't nesessarily believe in reincarnation, but it would be cool. If your good in your present life, maybe you can choose what to come back as. that would be bonus.
 

Ashiene

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Memories and experiences are stored inside neural connections and the general nervous system. When the physical body dies, neurons die, severing these connections and erasing all memories upon death.

As such, memories cannot survive death, unless memories are also stored in the astral body as well, which would mean reincarnation could be a possibility.

But do not forget that if reincarnation exists, what are the chances that you will reincarnate into the same species, on the same planet, in the same galaxy, given the high chances of life in the universe?
 

whiteraven

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This actually seems like a pretty common belief among people who believe in reincarnation. Something tragic or something left unfulfilled in a previous life is carried over into the next and you need to find some sort of resolution for it in this life. If you believe that there is a soul or at least something that still exists after the body dies then it would make sense (at least to me ::p:) that what happened in that life would be carried on with it, otherwise what's the point?

But do not forget that if reincarnation exists, what are the chances that you will reincarnate into the same species, on the same planet, in the same galaxy, given the high chances of life in the universe?

Type otherkin in google, its actually a pretty interesting theory.
 

Mokkat

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What would spacelord Xenu do?

I dont believe in SA being connected to a past life. SA seems to be part hereditary genes and part the environment you grow up in - if it had something to do with reincarnation, I think it would be much more random in the human genome.
 
could be true

but not for me, I didn't have SA or even shyness when I was little...I was REALLY outgoing and made everybody laugh then something happened and it's still a mystery to me lol
 

Ciorsdan

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Memories and experiences are stored inside neural connections and the general nervous system. When the physical body dies, neurons die, severing these connections and erasing all memories upon death.

As such, memories cannot survive death, unless memories are also stored in the astral body as well, which would mean reincarnation could be a possibility.

But do not forget that if reincarnation exists, what are the chances that you will reincarnate into the same species, on the same planet, in the same galaxy, given the high chances of life in the universe?

I'm not a religious person. I'm not that spiritual either, but even though I hold science dear, I believe in reincarnation. I don't really dwell upon it all that much. It's just one of the things I can't escape from believing in.

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But who's to say that the matter which makes up both you and me won't eventually coalesce into another life form.
 

Ashiene

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But who's to say that the matter which makes up both you and me won't eventually coalesce into another life form.

All matter is re-used, like all energy is transformed from one form to another.

The elements that all living things on Earth are made up of once came from stars far away, which were brought to this world through meteorite impacts.

The food we eat, once living organisms, once converted into fuel by our bodies, become a part of us. That chicken you ate for lunch is now no longer a chicken, but a portion of your living body.

And when we die, we will become food for other organisms as well, then our remains will be absorbed by the Earth.

But you question if the matter and energy that makes up you and me will coalesce into another life form.

If that happens, will that life form be you? Or someone else?

What defines 'you'. Why are you 'you' and not 'me'? Why am I me and not you?

Who you are (your identity) is defined by your memories and experiences combined with your ego-self. For example, if you were to one day lose all your memory and have no recollection of who you are, and lose all your writing, language skills, are you still 'you'?

Or have you become a tabula rasa, a blank slate, a new canvas upon which the new memories of your new life will be painted, from the beginning, all over again?

I doubt that you will still be 'you' after you have forgotten everything about yourself.

Your identity is shaped by your experiences in life, which in turn shape you and your behavior, mold your personality and contributes to your goals in life.

Take this other example:

If I were to slowly replace each brain cell and each neuron in your brain with a microchip processor (which performs the same functions of the brain cells and neurons), and continue to do this until every cell in your brain has been replaced by a microchip, will you still be the same 'you', or a different person?

I believe that you will still be yourself.

Why, you might ask? Because when we replace each cell, one at a time, of your brain with a microchip, we are not drastically altering the electro-chemical patterns in your brain, therefore the brain can readjust itself to accept the new microchip as a substitute.

But if we replace the entire human brain with an entire supercomputer, all your memories will be lost forever. You will cease to exist, mentally.

Because identity is a result of electro-chemical patterns in your brain, patterns which are shaped through your experiences and memories in your current life.

So that if you die, your patterns will be scrambled, and as you asked, if we become another life form, our brains will be formed in different ways, the patterns, too, will be different, and so, you will not be you, and I will not be me.
 

Ciorsdan

Member
If that happens, will that life form be you? Or someone else?

What defines 'you'. Why are you 'you' and not 'me'? Why am I me and not you?

Who you are (your identity) is defined by your memories and experiences combined with your ego-self. For example, if you were to one day lose all your memory and have no recollection of who you are, and lose all your writing, language skills, are you still 'you'?

Or have you become a tabula rasa, a blank slate, a new canvas upon which the new memories of your new life will be painted, from the beginning, all over again?

No, that life form would definitely be someone else mentally, but.. something that I once used to think of as a part of me has found its way back into making up a living being.

From wikipedia: "Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again"".

So I guess literally it holds some truth to it. It's not very metaphysical, though.

If I were to slowly replace each brain cell and each neuron in your brain with a microchip processor (which performs the same functions of the brain cells and neurons), and continue to do this until every cell in your brain has been replaced by a microchip, will you still be the same 'you', or a different person?

I believe that you will still be yourself.

Why, you might ask? Because when we replace each cell, one at a time, of your brain with a microchip, we are not drastically altering the electro-chemical patterns in your brain, therefore the brain can readjust itself to accept the new microchip as a substitute.

But if we replace the entire human brain with an entire supercomputer, all your memories will be lost forever. You will cease to exist, mentally.

Because identity is a result of electro-chemical patterns in your brain, patterns which are shaped through your experiences and memories in your current life.

I agree with you. I'm guessing that's the transhumanist way of looking at it as well.
 

Ashiene

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No, that life form would definitely be someone else mentally, but.. something that I once used to think of as a part of me has found its way back into making up a living being.

As you know, all water on Earth is recycled, so that most of us have drank water molecules that the dinosaurs once drank 100 million years ago. Likewise, the same carbon that dinosaurs 100 million years ago were made up of, now exist in many human bodies. Did the dinosaur reincarnate into a human?
 
Memories and experiences are stored inside neural connections and the general nervous system. When the physical body dies, neurons die, severing these connections and erasing all memories upon death.

As such, memories cannot survive death, unless memories are also stored in the astral body as well, which would mean reincarnation could be a possibility.

But do not forget that if reincarnation exists, what are the chances that you will reincarnate into the same species, on the same planet, in the same galaxy, given the high chances of life in the universe?

Anything can happen man. No one ever knows what is going to happen or what happens when we die. Its just a theory, cant be proven just like so many things that happen in our lives. Its ok to jus think about it
 
What could have possibly happened to me (and you) in our previous lives to make us afraid of ppl all together? Likewise, what happend (or should I say what didn't happen) to non-social phobics in their previous lives to make them NOT be afraid of ppl? Hey, maybe we were cats in our previous lives lol? Cats and social phobics do seem to have a lot of similarities (at least in my opinion)... I'm not sure I believe in reincarnation; though the thought of it does sound pretty cool. I just think there's something wrong with our brains lol. When you see retarded or handicapped ppl do you think, "hey, they must've done something in their previous life to deserve that"?

I think about that handicapped thing alot actually. Everything that a person was born with, and there is like no scientific reason for it, or even if there is, its just like what if.... u kno we cant prove it, but its cool as s-hit to think about
 
No not sayin that. If we cud help then y not. But im jus saying suppose that particular person is put in that situation for a reason. It definetely doesnt take away frm our responsibility as human beings to help one another out, but its jus like WHAT IF lol u kno
 

Ashiene

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Remember that each one of us complex organisms is made up of billions of cells, each cell is a building block, but also a single, individual unit of life- a living thing. So, in fact, each human is not ONE life, but a BILLION lives living together as one entity, known as an organism.

When most people talk about reincarnation, they must be referring to reincarnation of the ego-self. What is the ego-self? It is the mental state that allows an organism to think of itself as a single entity instead of as a writhing mass of a billion individual selves. It is this ego-self that creates individual cohesion within the organism, which regulates all aspects of the organism's body and is the basis for its personality.

We all know that when the brain (which allows us to be aware of the world around us) dies, the body does not die. The individual cells in the body can survive for many hours after the death of the brain (and of the ego-self).

Now, because the ego-self can only result from the combined interaction of many cells within an organism, then when the organism completely dies, the ego-self cannot exist.

So if reincarnation does occur, then what people think- that the ego-self is the soul, and which reincarnates, cannot be true.

However, there are two mental states within the organism- the autonomous and the free-will.

What is the autonomous system?
It is the system of regulation within the body of an organism that operates bodily processes automatically, for example, the heartbeat, the conversion of oxygen, the internal clock, the automatic response to pain, fear, pleasure, the release of hormones, the building of new cells. All these processes are not controlled by the individual mind, but by the autonomous mind.

The individual mind. What is it?
The individual mind is also called 'free-will'. It is this free will that allows us to control aspects of the body that the autonomous system does not control, for example, when we breathe, when we defecate or urinate, when to eat or sleep or close the eyes, etc. These are processes that we can control, therefore we have free will over them.

So, is the ego-self a part of the autonomous system, or a part of the 'free-will' system? No one knows.

If the ego-self is a part of the autonomous system, this means that the 'free-will' system has a small possibility of being existent outside of the physical body. Maybe it is the true soul that people have always talked about. Maybe it is the astral body?

But if the ego-self is part of the 'free-will' system, then all processes in the body are controlled by individual cells acting as one entity, and there is no distinction between body and mind (or soul), for both body and mind would be the same thing, just jobs performed by different types of cells. Nothing spiritual.

In conclusion, could 'free-will' be an extension of our souls? Or is it simply an algorithm of our genetic programming that allows us more freedom than the autonomous system?

What do you think?
 

hoddesdon

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It's funny you should ask this. The spiritual realm exists for certain, but I am not certain about reincarnation. However, I have been told what my occupation in my last life was, and it would definitely explain it.
 
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