Inabilty to smile?

uncool

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Hello everyone,
I am a new user this is my second post on these forums.:) anyway to the topic now...

I am making this thread just out of curiosty. I would like to know if anyone else has more or less the same symptoms I have so here it goes.

I feel like the problem at the base of all my SAD problems is the inabilty to smile. like if I were to dig really deep the only thing that actually make sa panic attack kick in is smiling.

let me tell you a bit more about myslef first.
I 've always been a shy person.as far as I can remember I ve always been extremly shy. I remember when I used to go to the park at the age of 4,5,6 etc I would get my mother to ask other kids if I could play with them, istead of asking myself :p

I started finding ways to cope with my social anxiety at about the age of 16 and that was pretty much: always appearing happy. always smiling . laughing when ppl made the smallest joke and overall just trying to keep ppl comfortable when they were with me. I would try avoid imbarassing silence by making stupid sometimes funny remarks or whatever but the the key to all of it was smiling alot, make it appear as if I am always entertained by ppl aropund me...

that seemed to work perfectly for me untill one day....
that day I was at university we had two and half hours free to spend however we wanted untill next class started. A friend asks if I want to smoke some hash with him and another mate. I was a big hash ( marijuana) smoker at the time so ofc I accepted. we smoked about 7 joints or more one after the other in less then 2 hours.

we go back to the university once we are done and there it hit me...
for the first time ever I was totally unable to smile!! NOTHING... ppl would be saying even funny stuff I just couldnt smile. everytime I tried I would smile for like two seconds and then my lips would start shaking but like shaking really hard. I never saw myself having a panick attack in the mirror but I can only immagine that it must look extremly retarded almost like a handicapped person.

I found myslef in a position where after creating a fake(ish) personality to cope with my shyness. after that I got ppl to consider me the guy that's always smiling always laghing and always in a good mood I found myslef just totally unable to smile in front of others without getting a panic attack.

time passed and these panic attacks started getting more and more frequent!

I still went out a couple of times after they started but I found myself being asked like 99% of the times " what the hell is wrong with you! what happened to you?? you are so serious something wrong?" ofc everytime ppl would ask me these questions I could feel the panic attack getting closer and closer. ( becuase I felt like I had to smile to disprove that something was wrong, only I couldnt without starting to shake which would prove that indeed there was something wrong)

well anyway in conclusion. My panic attacks are caused by the inabilty to smile unless it's a "genuine smile". ofc in real life there are just certain situation where a smile is aobbligatory ( or almost). think for example of being introduced to a new person. you just cant go like " pleasure to meet you" with a dead serious look on your face. a little smiling even if very subtle is required. and that is enough to make me anxious and if the situation is prolonged it eventually ends in a panic attack.

anyone else can relate to this?
thx for reading my long ass post bye bye.
 

Beyondshy

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Do you still have trouble smiling if you are by yourself? I don't think I've ever had a full blown panic attack so I don't think I'll be able to help much sorry
 

Riiya

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Is that you?
 

madmike

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I can't say i know much about panic attacks. But it seems to me that you just have to realize (again) that smiling is a great coping mechanism for people with a lack of social skills/social anxieties, being a surefire way of making other people feel at ease around you (as you said yourself). It worked for so long, didn't it? You had friends, people wanted to hand around with you... try and get into that state of mind again where smiling is one of your assets, not your enemy

And i hope you've had the sense to cut down on the hash smoking after this experience...
 

uncool

Member
Do you still have trouble smiling if you are by yourself? I don't think I've ever had a full blown panic attack so I don't think I'll be able to help much sorry
no I dont have any problem smiling by myself. I tried several times in front of the mirror but attacks only kick in when other ppl are around.
thx for you reply anyway.

I can't say i know much about panic attacks. But it seems to me that you just have to realize (again) that smiling is a great coping mechanism for people with a lack of social skills/social anxieties, being a surefire way of making other people feel at ease around you (as you said yourself). It worked for so long, didn't it? You had friends, people wanted to hand around with you... try and get into that state of mind again where smiling is one of your assets, not your enemy

And i hope you've had the sense to cut down on the hash smoking after this experience...

I also try to take your advice. regarding the hash yeah I've cut down. thank you too.
 

Beyondshy

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I was going to suggest practising in front of a mirror. You didn't find that it helped at all? Maybe you could try in front of people you feel comfortable with. Just person to start and then slowly build on it.
I'm sure Riiya meant no offence by the way.
 

SickJoke

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I 've always been a shy person...

I started finding ways to cope with my social anxiety at about the age of 16 and that was pretty much: always appearing happy...

that seemed to work perfectly for me untill one day....

we smoked about 7 joints or more one after the other in less then 2 hours...

we go back to the university once we are done and there it hit me...

for the first time ever I was totally unable to smile!!...

Had you ever smoked that much at once before? If so, had you ever gone to class in that state? High doses of weed are known to cause panic attacks, or PAs, and on top of that you had social anxiety (or extreme shyness). It's no surprise that you weren't able to smile: you were high as **** and scared shitless from being around so many people in that extremely high, paranoid state.

You couldn't force yourself to smile because you were having a PA. And because you were trying to fake a smile during the PA, your brain linked "fake smile => PA." You believe fake smiling causes you to have a PA.

The only way to stop the PAs is to remove the belief "fake smile => PA." Face those situations where you would fake smile and realize that everything's fine. The belief is strong because it's reinforced by all of the emotion (fear) associated with your memory of that day, so it will take repetition and reinforcement until it becomes natural again.

Fun stuff huh? :D:D:D:D
 

uncool

Member
I was going to suggest practising in front of a mirror. You didn't find that it helped at all? Maybe you could try in front of people you feel comfortable with. Just person to start and then slowly build on it.
I'm sure Riiya meant no offence by the way.

I will try that thx for the advice.

Had you ever smoked that much at once before? If so, had you ever gone to class in that state? High doses of weed are known to cause panic attacks, or PAs, and on top of that you had social anxiety (or extreme shyness). It's no surprise that you weren't able to smile: you were high as **** and scared shitless from being around so many people in that extremely high, paranoid state.

yeah I did smoke that much and even more in a short period and did go to class in that state. I have a very addictive personality and weed has been a problem for the last 5 years now. it's making my situation worst yet I cant seem to stop it completly since without I am pretty much... nothing... I just have nothing to do feel bored sad etc...

as I write this it's been almost 2 weeks since my last smoke. I am trying to quit again but I have gone as long as 3 monthes without weed just to fall back into it because of a bad day or something. so i still cant say for sure if I quit or not.

weed did cause me to feel a certain unease when around ppl but that was the first time I actually had to walk away. I just couldnt stand it. it was the first time it caused me shaking and blushing I was sure ppl around me could notice it.

You couldn't force yourself to smile because you were having a PA. And because you were trying to fake a smile during the PA, your brain linked "fake smile => PA." You believe fake smiling causes you to have a PA.

The only way to stop the PAs is to remove the belief "fake smile => PA." Face those situations where you would fake smile and realize that everything's fine. The belief is strong because it's reinforced by all of the emotion (fear) associated with your memory of that day, so it will take repetition and reinforcement until it becomes natural again.

yeah I think you did hit the spot right there. since I have no problem smiling when alone (or family, those I feel comfortable around) so it's not like a facial muscle problem it's just a psycological thing. Sometimes I feel like if I were to somehow totally forget about that first panic attack I had (as in removed from from my memory) I wouldnt have any problem.

the tactic of removing the belief that fake smile = pa is a very good idea, unluckily it's much easier to say it then do it as you can immagine.

I'll keep trying thx all for the replies guys.

PS: oh and riiya sorry about the report thing. I read there are many trolls on these boards, so being new I still dont know who's who.
 
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