humans are animals - ranting

[dottie]

human beings are animals. we are not gods, we are not machines. my body and mind do not agree with these "norms" and extreme social molds that we are expected to squeeze ourselves into. i call these social molds extreme because they are not natural. it is not natural for an animal to do the following:

- get up everyday at 6am.
- be at your work post for 9 hours a day.
- have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

this is not natural. i am a human being, an animal, not a clockwork machine! i don't mind having self discipline to an extent but this is a lifestyle that is not natural and it causes so much anxiety. and for what? social acceptance? why do we place so much emphasis on what other people think of us? supposedly this lifestyle will bring us "stability" when internally it makes me feel completely unstable like i could snap at any moment!

animals are meant to be free, not caged. this system is not so far from slavery. sure we get to decide what to do with our money, we are protected from being raped or physically harmed, and we have more choices of where we want to work. but still, someone owns us. between such and such time they own us and if we do not show up and do exactly as they say, we have to find someone else to own us.

this system provides financial stability but it steals your time. what is more valuable than time? what is the point of having all of this money if you do not have the time to enjoy it? i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it? we are all going to die in the end. i would like to enjoy life my way as long as it isn't hurting or infringing upon others.

 

[Rorschach]

you're right..... we are forced to be "normal"..... just like everybody else, haha... we can't live the way we want to.... there is no "meaning of life".... everything is so pointless..... what makes us more developed than animals? free will? it sucks.... those lucky animals.... ignorance is blessed

 

[sleepysparrow]

human beings are animals. we are not gods, we are not machines. my body and mind do not agree with these "norms" and extreme social molds that we are expected to squeeze ourselves into. i call these social molds extreme because they are not natural. it is not natural for an animal to do the following:

- get up everyday at 6am.
- be at your work post for 9 hours a day.
- have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

this is not natural. i am a human being, an animal, not a clockwork machine! i don't mind having self discipline to an extent but this is a lifestyle that is not natural and it causes so much anxiety. and for what? social acceptance? why do we place so much emphasis on what other people think of us? supposedly this lifestyle will bring us "stability" when internally it makes me feel completely unstable like i could snap at any moment!

animals are meant to be free, not caged. this system is not so far from slavery. sure we get to decide what to do with our money, we are protected from being raped or physically harmed, and we have more choices of where we want to work. but still, someone owns us. between such and such time they own us and if we do not show up and do exactly as they say, we have to find someone else to own us.

this system provides financial stability but it steals your time. what is more valuable than time? what is the point of having all of this money if you do not have the time to enjoy it? i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it? we are all going to die in the end. i would like to enjoy life my way as long as it isn't hurting or infringing upon others.

Amen.

 

[playthepsychedelic]

human beings are animals. we are not gods, we are not machines. my body and mind do not agree with these "norms" and extreme social molds that we are expected to squeeze ourselves into. i call these social molds extreme because they are not natural. it is not natural for an animal to do the following:

- get up everyday at 6am.
- be at your work post for 9 hours a day.
- have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

this is not natural. i am a human being, an animal, not a clockwork machine! i don't mind having self discipline to an extent but this is a lifestyle that is not natural and it causes so much anxiety. and for what? social acceptance? why do we place so much emphasis on what other people think of us? supposedly this lifestyle will bring us "stability" when internally it makes me feel completely unstable like i could snap at any moment!

animals are meant to be free, not caged. this system is not so far from slavery. sure we get to decide what to do with our money, we are protected from being raped or physically harmed, and we have more choices of where we want to work. but still, someone owns us. between such and such time they own us and if we do not show up and do exactly as they say, we have to find someone else to own us.

this system provides financial stability but it steals your time. what is more valuable than time? what is the point of having all of this money if you do not have the time to enjoy it? i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it? we are all going to die in the end. i would like to enjoy life my way as long as it isn't hurting or infringing upon others.

this is my opinion:
I think what you mean is that you want to "escape the matrix" (if you saw the movie). You see, happiness and secuity and all these things we want, we long for, can be obtained by "simply" working and acting for the system, e.g by having children, working, socializing etc. Happiness are simple chemicals in the brain, just like the chemicals that are released when you do things that are not in function or against the system. I think you mean you want to obtain that happiness without being part of the system. However, the only way to do this is by taking drugs. But smoking heroin all your life aint an option, is it? I think you need to manipulate the system so that you can obtain your happiness, without be a total anarchist. simply act the way people expect you to do, live the "simple life", but know and realise that you are following the system. relativate bad as well as good things and don't compare your luck to others. Live your life rather than thinking about it, and if you don't know anymore, just do what feels right. Thinking about all your problems and filosofing about life isn't good for you. After all, you just want a simpe, decent and mostly happy life,right? I used to have lost of problems, fears and unhappiness in my life. Things still aren't that simple, but I stop worrying and "followed the system". My life has definitely got better without therapy, medication or whatever.
As I said,this is my opinion it's quite a lot. Do with it what you want, I hope you at least read it :roll:
sorry for the annoying lenght!!

 

[chris420]

Yeah you gotta live within the system, you can help it change but not by much. Society with all its necessary rules and regs etc is just born from the animal instinct to be social, combined with all the advancements such as agriculture, industry etc which come from human intelligence. However these things could have been achieved in the beginning without creating political states and other divisions such as religions 1000s of years ago which have done a lot of harm ultimately. (we are one world, after all aren't we?)

In most societies human being=economic agent. To value humanity over the economy is a good ideal but it doesn't sit well in the current global capitalist system. And maybe people are just inherently too selfish anyway, look what happened to communism.

I reckon Anarchy with perfect, altruistic human beings would be the best system to live in...but when self-interests enter the picture you need government.

 

[krs2snow]

have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

I identify w/this part of your post the most. I don't actually mind the system so much but rather the way I live within it. I clock watch too. And that's not living! I don't know what that is. Sittin' around waiting to die I guess. It's making use of my time or should I say Not making use of my time that I struggle with. If I have to be at work & I have to take an hour lunch, I wish I was better at enjoying that hour instead of just waiting for it to be over. :? Frustrating. Keep working on it tho.
Or you could be like that dude who quit school & hiked his way to Alaska w/no $ and only a backpack & lived in a moose bus or some damn thing. Well, maybe not exactly like him b-cuz he ended up dying but, he had the courage to say fuck the system & took adventure over societal rules! (Anyone see that movie? It was based on a true story). I couldn't do that but it does sound like a good plan some days.

 

[2Crowded]

Stop the bus please...i want off too. :idea:

 

[sleepysparrow]

have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

I identify w/this part of your post the most. I don't actually mind the system so much but rather the way I live within it. I clock watch too. And that's not living! I don't know what that is. Sittin' around waiting to die I guess. It's making use of my time or should I say Not making use of my time that I struggle with. If I have to be at work & I have to take an hour lunch, I wish I was better at enjoying that hour instead of just waiting for it to be over. :? Frustrating. Keep working on it tho.
Or you could be like that dude who quit school & hiked his way to Alaska w/no $ and only a backpack & lived in a moose bus or some damn thing. Well, maybe not exactly like him b-cuz he ended up dying but, he had the courage to say fuck the system & took adventure over societal rules! (Anyone see that movie? It was based on a true story). I couldn't do that but it does sound like a good plan some days.

His name was Chris Mccandless. I read the book, the movie was good too.

 

[sleepysparrow]

(gone again)

 

[zootdroop]

human beings are animals. we are not gods, we are not machines. my body and mind do not agree with these "norms" and extreme social molds that we are expected to squeeze ourselves into. i call these social molds extreme because they are not natural. it is not natural for an animal to do the following:

- get up everyday at 6am.
- be at your work post for 9 hours a day.
- have a totally unenjoyable lunch break in which you are just anticipating getting over with because the sooner it ends the closer it is until 5pm and you can go home.

this is not natural. i am a human being, an animal, not a clockwork machine! i don't mind having self discipline to an extent but this is a lifestyle that is not natural and it causes so much anxiety. and for what? social acceptance? why do we place so much emphasis on what other people think of us? supposedly this lifestyle will bring us "stability" when internally it makes me feel completely unstable like i could snap at any moment!

animals are meant to be free, not caged. this system is not so far from slavery. sure we get to decide what to do with our money, we are protected from being raped or physically harmed, and we have more choices of where we want to work. but still, someone owns us. between such and such time they own us and if we do not show up and do exactly as they say, we have to find someone else to own us.

this system provides financial stability but it steals your time. what is more valuable than time? what is the point of having all of this money if you do not have the time to enjoy it? i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it? we are all going to die in the end. i would like to enjoy life my way as long as it isn't hurting or infringing upon others.

Amen. I feel the same way. I wrote something like this in another forum a long time ago, but yours says it better than I ever could.

"i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it?"

I used to be really pissed that I was forced into this shitty society back when I was really depressed in and after high school. i was angry at my parents for bringing me into this world where all you have to look forward to is brainwashing at school, then maybe more brainwashing at college then get a job, get married, pump out some kids so they can continue the cycle and then die...wow, what a great life that is...10,000 years of civilization and this is all we can come up with? This is the best we can do?......I still fell like that actually. I want no part of this system.

 

[hayday]

I dont know if i get all your posts or not. Probly not. but i don't think in a society oriented world you can ever really be free. Society dictates what you will or wont do. Not evern government. Government & law says it's illegal to hold up a store but society is the one that says you cant hold up a store while your naked. Get it? Got it. Good.

 

[Dave_McFadden]

The saddest part is, we might have some ability that we can use for our OWN profit, so that we can be our own boss and make money for ourselves - doing something that we love to do. Wouldn't it be great, if the thing you loved to do most in the world, you could make a profit with?
But we're never going to figure this out, because we're too busy making money for somebody else. We could have a mansion and a yacht (or a small house with a big yard and a Civic - that's my dream, anyway, but don't tell anyone) using nothing but our own effort and our own resources, but no, someone richer than us has to get involved and we end up tilling his soil for his profit.

 

[chris87]

I've never really looked at my life in this way, but I see what you mean. I think the "routine" that I'm forced to follow is part of the reason why I have trouble being happy.

 

[krs2snow]

His name was Chris Mccandless. I read the book, the movie was good too.

Yes! That's the guy! I thought he was brave for taking off out of society and all but I thought he was a prick too & the movie was kinda long. I thought he was a total jerk b-cuz he never contacted his family the whole time he was gone. Not even a letter to say he was ok. That's incredibly selfish & a horrible thing to do to people that love you! That being said, the movie didn't have to be so long b-cuz it was just a guess at his last few months on earth. The only 2 parts that were factual were that he stayed in a moose bus & he died. By the hands of an evil... Root. :roll: haha. So, he was kind of a tard. But a brave tard, nonetheless.

 

[morpgadork]

Thanks for bringing this up! Actually I think about this very often. What is our purpose in life? When we die, everything just keeps moving. No matter how important you are, or what you've accomplished in life, you are deemed irrelevant after death. Sure, the ones that love you will mourn, but over time they will also move on. Then of course they will pass on and the cycle repeats itself. My conclusion, life is irrelevant.

Also, I'm sure most of you probably have no idea who your great great great grandparents were. Maybe I'm just pessimistic but right now I'm having a hard time finding a purpose for me or anyone else.

But unfortunately the government needs your tax money so they can enjoy whatever existence they have with their hookers on their 20 some yachts. So, really IMO the other thing to live for is to keep those who you love and who find life as a purposeful existence happy. The only reason I live is because I really wouldn't want to hurt the ones who do love me and have found some reason for existing.

Done.

I believe the meaning of life is plain and simply, self gratification.
When you really think about it, that's all people are looking for. how to gratify themselves, and make themselves accomplished, or happy, or powerful, or whatever.it's all for themselves. even donations in my opinion. If you didn't get that good feeling when you give, the feeling that makes you feel like you're compassionate, I think everybody would keep everything to themselves, and many do. This is why anarchy doesn't work. if people could control themselves and truly care about others, we wouldn't need a government. Bleh I'm starting to ramble into this really long thing I've been thinking about for a while.
anyways, plain and simple, I believe the meaning of life is be happy. it doesn't matter how. it doesn't matter if it involves being the president of a Bank, puffing on a cigar, making billions while you put hundreds of thousands of customers in the hole while smearing their credit, or if it's spending your life with the one you love, living in a mediocre house with a dead-end job and maybe a couple kids. As long as you're happy, that's all that matters.

 

[Smokeringz]

society society.. i say the only thing you can do for an occupation is get one you enjoy so your not wasteing 8 hours of your living day ex Music

 

[joeljjison]

I think about this so much, and my conclusion is the problem is capitalism. Capitalism is like carte blanche to orientate everything you do around money. Greed is actually the optimum trait.

I don't think its possible to find happiness in there, because your stuck having either time or money, and if you have lots of money you have no time. Like someone else said, your best bet is to find something you like doing, and move forward aiming to do that for your career, even if its hard or doesn't pay well, because contrary to what the good little capitalists like my dad think, money isn't happiness. I'd rather get by at a struggle doing what i love, and having friends who are like minded, than have a nice appartment where all my friends are boring people who are content to live their lifes in the world of 9-5 or similar. When your not doing that, those people seem so stale... even if they are richer

 

[nephatitus]

alot of very long explanations

people are animals that can think more
but at the same time are kept together to act like sheep
a sheep must be with other sheep
a sheep must have children
a sheep must go to work
a sheep must buy
a sheep must die

simple as that

 

[Andrew]

Capitalism is like carte blanche to orientate everything you do around money.

But in a world before capitalism, everything was oriented around the acquisition of food, as it still is for other animals. I don't see your point of difference? Money is just a more sophisticated unit used for more sophisticated methods of trading and so on.

I don't think its possible to find happiness in there, because your stuck having either time or money, and if you have lots of money you have no time.

All animals do for the entire day is hunt for food or rest. You can work part-time and make enough money to achieve that, although house prices are the real problem (at least here in Australia). Of course, you can share a house with people and you would only need to work part-time.

Also the average life expectancy of humans was 26 in the past.

I really don't think capitalism is a major problem. Capitalism has some flaws, but the real problem of today is that modern living is so far removed from anything that is healthy to our brains or environment. There is very little risk in modern society, there is very little community in modern society, many jobs are so 'unnatural'. For example, sitting at a computer all day every day doing the same thing is just insane. This isn't really a product of capitalism but a product of an evolving society, one that is not necessarily evolving in the right direction.

 

[Andrew]

this system provides financial stability but it steals your time. what is more valuable than time? what is the point of having all of this money if you do not have the time to enjoy it? i did not ask to be born into this system so why should i adapt to it? we are all going to die in the end. i would like to enjoy life my way as long as it isn't hurting or infringing upon others.

There is no reason why work cannot be fun. Even boring simple jobs can be fun. Some jobs though are terrible. I once saw this guy who seemed to do nothing but put mattresses from one conveyor-belt to the next for the entire day. That is not fun. But in general, most jobs can be quite enjoyable, it is just the anxiety problems that might make it unenjoyable.

For most animals, 'work' is a very large part of their life. They spend all of their time hunting for food.