Odo
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Why would anyone be upset that they don't get to date a stupid person?
Do girls with SA not like guys with SA?
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Why would anyone be upset that they don't get to date a stupid person?
Its only a minimal part of the human population that acts more in a "human way",others act more animalistic than some like to think,we are still divided by imaginary territory,we still kill for it,we still bully people,possibly to elevate our status,there is still prejudice against people different
than us culturally and in appearance,we still want to "conquer" new "territory" by force or by infiltrating amongst other things..........
while evolution is still "evolving" still has traits of what it was in the past......
than us culturally and in appearance,we still want to "conquer" new "territory" by force or by infiltrating amongst other things..........
while evolution is still "evolving" still has traits of what it was in the past......
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S_Spartan
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Look, human beings are really just animals. As much as we hate to think that because we want to believe that we have full agency, we want to believe that we are liberated, we are just going through the motions like every other living thing on the planet.
There are many things in life that are none negotiable. I can guarantee that today you will eat, sleep, breathe, drink, and go to the bathroom. You don't do these things because you want to do them. You do them because you HAVE to do them. Today I was at the store and I saw a well groomed, and classically attractive woman and I felt a bit aroused. I didn't really want to feel that arousal but it was automatic. My firmware alarm was going off "GOOD GENE ALERT"! And the woman was dressed in a way that showcased and highlighted her good genes. Nothing wrong with any of it really but we should not fool ourselves into thinking that we are creatures with full agency when we are not.
@Bronson(and other guys here struggling) my original post was not meant to discourage you but rather to point out that when you know the fundamentals of female attraction then you can start working from there.
This doesn't mean to become some fake "alpha" but rather to come to the realization that women are not magical creatures and (like men) have their own set of firmware and hence their own biological struggles.
The sooner a man can pull women off the pedestal in his own mind the sooner he will know peace and the sooner he can be his own man. Being your own man=confidence to women.
There are many things in life that are none negotiable. I can guarantee that today you will eat, sleep, breathe, drink, and go to the bathroom. You don't do these things because you want to do them. You do them because you HAVE to do them. Today I was at the store and I saw a well groomed, and classically attractive woman and I felt a bit aroused. I didn't really want to feel that arousal but it was automatic. My firmware alarm was going off "GOOD GENE ALERT"! And the woman was dressed in a way that showcased and highlighted her good genes. Nothing wrong with any of it really but we should not fool ourselves into thinking that we are creatures with full agency when we are not.
@Bronson(and other guys here struggling) my original post was not meant to discourage you but rather to point out that when you know the fundamentals of female attraction then you can start working from there.
This doesn't mean to become some fake "alpha" but rather to come to the realization that women are not magical creatures and (like men) have their own set of firmware and hence their own biological struggles.
The sooner a man can pull women off the pedestal in his own mind the sooner he will know peace and the sooner he can be his own man. Being your own man=confidence to women.
Razzlecherry
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@Spartan I always thought this was common knowledge. That's why threads like like this always frustrate the hell out of me. And they always go in the same direction. The same arguments are made.
It's almost like people don't really know what point they're trying to make.
It's almost like people don't really know what point they're trying to make.
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Odo
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And if you had actually approached her and discovered that you had absolutely nothing in common, you probably wouldn't look at her the same way ever again. Or maybe you would... but if that's the case, you're probably very immature.
You seem intent to reduce human beings to ONLY their basest qualities (eating, defecating, screwing)-- however most adults are capable of resisting those urges when it's in their best interests to do so, especially when giving into them means hooking up with some dodgy guy (or girl) who's only going to make them feel like s--t in the long run... or for that matter, defecating on the sidewalk or eating tree bark because you're hiking in the woods and forgot to bring snacks.
Sure we need to eat, sleep, etc... but we don't need to wear clothes, hold doors open for other people, help the poor, study philosophy, or read books-- and plenty of people do those things. This is because they are capable of overriding their base urges, thinking long-term, and trying to be responsible adults.
Who said that women are magical creatures? I really don't think that not succumbing to your basest animal urges every single time you see someone of the opposite sex qualifies you as 'magical'. I don't consider myself 'magical', and I'm pretty good at not rabidly drooling over every woman I like the looks of. If I didn't hold women to the same standards as I hold myself, I don't think it would reflect very well on me.
Obviously there are people in this world who are better-looking/more physically attractive than others, but that doesn't mean that all women are programmed to f--k everyone they like the looks of, or that they're always going to reject the guy who is a little nervous about approaching because their 'program' tells them to.
Believe it or not, some people out there actually do approach dating/romance because they're interested in long term relationships, and those tend to involve a bit more than 'he's hot and I want to f--k him'. And when they find them, they will also cherish those relationships enough not to do things that will jeopardize them. This isn't just a woman thing, it's a human thing.
Mature, respectable women (and men) want someone they can wake up next to, smile at and actually feel good about being with... mostly because that lasts longer and is more beneficial to their lives overall. It's only the confused, immature girls who crave 'superior' genetic material so much that they don't care about anything else, and who are perfectly okay with quietly slipping away the next morning, feeling guilty as hell and trying to write it off as something that everyone is doing.
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I'm sorry if it seems like i'm trying to insult other people's intelligence because they have an opposite opinion, that isn't my intention. I think that it is quite likely the majority of people who disagree with me don't have a full understanding about the concepts i am talking about though i.e. evolution, adaption. Either that or they just don't want to accept them which i can understand, but i've always been too much of an INTJ to deny the facts.
Odo
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Your posts reveal a lot about why you're having so much trouble with dating.
It's not your SA, I promise.
But of course, I could never hope to grasp the complexities of it all.
Razzlecherry
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@Odo Spartan isn't saying that all women are running around trying to screw the top dog with the manly man genes. He's saying that the impulses are there. And believe it or not that's where attraction comes from. Other than that I don't think anyone will dispute your points.
Hi, I am a woman who is 58 and I am head over heals in love with this man who is obviously very interested in me, but despite me telling how much I care about him etc etc etc he does nothing, I have finally figured out that his staring and sometimes awkward behaviour might be social anxiety although he seems to get along fine with just about everyone else - so, what suggestions do you have for me. I don't want to take the lead but if the only way we get together is if I do, then I will.
S_Spartan
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Of course we are more than our base urges but try going without eating for three days and then tell me if you interact with the world in the same way that you do right after a nice big meal!
Our base urges color our perceptions and interactions with the outside world.
Good example: yesterday I was haveing a very nice walk in the park on a nice fall day when all the sudden I had to urinate terribly and there was no suitable place to do so(without getting arrested hehe). I tried to ignore it with all my might but the urge was so strong that I had to run to the car and find a bathroom. And such is life.
My basic, biological urge colored my whole park walking experience.
Anything that is considered a scarcity takes on a high value, almost "mythical" quality. Look at gold, chemically it's just a metal but since it's rare people feel special when they wear it.
There are ALOT of guys out there dealing with a scarcity of female interaction. This amplifies the value of the feminine in their minds(which is already fortified with testosterone) and, as we have seen the consequences sometimes are not good.
This is why it's imperative that a man with this scarcity mentality breaks this cycle in his own mind for his own sense of peace.
I agree to a point. Nothing is set in stone. But from what I have seen biology usually trumps all in a relationship.
I mean most people like their sugar sweet. And biology is the very foundation of what tells us what sweet means in a male/female sexual relationship.
Sure people can make a compromise and stay with someone that no longer gives them tingles but that doesn't mean they will be happy about it.
A woman's sexual desires do change a bit as her fertility declines. She may approach these things a bit more pragmatically. However, a woman of any age, I would think, would rather be with a man who can give her some kind of biological tingle since that is what would keep the relationship sexually alive for her.
Young girls are at peak fertility. As far as nature is concerned they are doing exactly what they should be doing(except for the birth control) which is selectively mating. The problem that young girls face is finding a man who they feel is of high quality and getting him to commit. Or they have so many men to choose from that they can't be sure that they are getting the "best". So they go from one to the next to the next to the next.
S_Spartan
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What points are you looking for? hehe:bigsmile:
Odo
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The goalposts just keep on moving in this discussion, don't they?
I don't know which impulses you're talking about exactly, but if the point being made here isn't that women secretly 'want' alpha male (let's just come out and say PUA) behavior, then what was all the earlier stuff about providers and protectors and men who display confidence over other men getting women's 'juices flowing'? Why the insistence that there's a specific program that all women and men follow, that it definitely involves confidence, money, power, etc... and that the 'idealists' want to pretend it doesn't exist and that everyone is the same?
The pornographic overtones of the 'juices flowing' metaphor alone signal that he was alluding to some sort of PUA vision of women who always fall for the same tricks, and men who use them to 'get' women.
I'll agree that physical attractiveness isn't something you can easily change, but I don't think it's the be-all end-all of relationships or attraction. The idea of certain behaviors being 'where attraction comes from' might apply to the party girls hitting the club around 2am, but not to people with a modicum of self respect or dignity.
These PUA 'law of the jungle' narratives have actually been floating around in the western capitalist media for quite some time and do a wonderful job of making everyone think that material wealth and cutthroat competitive attitudes will give you everything you want... but that's just the culture, not who we are.
Plenty of people find the idea of defecating on the sidewalk repulsive, and in the same way would find these types of seduction techniques repulsive... and it's really disturbing how this whole PUA movement has inserted itself into modern dating to the extent that people actually think it's the way things are and have always been.
But whatever-- this isn't going anywhere and I'm pretty sure we've hit the point where the same people will keep chiming in saying 'you don't understand' while repeating the same thing over and over.
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