Jesushasomeoneforme
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How will Senate health care passed effect medicaid on SSI?
How will senate health care effect Medicaid
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Juggalo
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The Senate bill is a pile of garbage. If it, and not the House version, is what the final bill is like, count me out. Mandating people have to buy plans from private insurance companies, without providing a non-profit public option to compete with the private plans? Thats crap. And I don't see how they'll cover 30 million addition people like they claim doing that. No public option, no medicare buy-in, no ending of the anti-trust exemption for insurance companies, no real rate controls? IF thats the case I'm extremely disappointed in the bill and President Obama. And I'm never wasting my vote on a Democrat again.
EDIT: Also they are NOT truly ending the practice of denying coverage for "pre-existing" conditions. The bill technically bans insurance companies from denying coverage in the first place to these people, but the bill allows the companies to charge people many times more than the normal rate for many conditions. So rather than denying you coverage outright they'll just be able to price you out of it by raising your premiums dramatically. Merry Christmas. The insurance lobby is appearing to be the winner once again. What a surprise.
EDIT: Also they are NOT truly ending the practice of denying coverage for "pre-existing" conditions. The bill technically bans insurance companies from denying coverage in the first place to these people, but the bill allows the companies to charge people many times more than the normal rate for many conditions. So rather than denying you coverage outright they'll just be able to price you out of it by raising your premiums dramatically. Merry Christmas. The insurance lobby is appearing to be the winner once again. What a surprise.
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Noca
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Insurance companies are the most corrupt businesses in the entire world regardless of country.
Juggalo
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They aren't allowed to feed on the general populace unchecked in most other industrialized democracies though. In almost all of the others, they have single-payer healthcare where the insurance companies are cut out. Which, in an ideal world, we'd have in this country. Medicare is single payer, it spends 96% of its funds directly on providing care not other costs such as administrative costs. Private insurance companies on the other hand spend something like 65%(if my numbers are correct) on providing healthcare. Clearly, a single-payer system is much less wasteful of money. Holland and Switzerland aren't single payer, but they treat insurance companies like public utilities and they are heavily regulated.
Walk
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My family has had big surgeries paid by the state of California, so honestly, I think that the "American people denied coverage" thing is blown out of proportion.
I'm undecided on national health care and I honestly haven't been into politics too much lately, so I'll leave it at that.
I'm undecided on national health care and I honestly haven't been into politics too much lately, so I'll leave it at that.
Juggalo
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Not to sound too contrite, but I don't think its being blown out of proportion to the families of the 45,000 Americans who die every year due to a lack of health care coverage. California is one thing. Texas(where I live) is a whole other ball game. The damndest thing about the healthcare debate is that the states MOST in need of reform(Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina etc.) have been the most opposed.
lyricalliaisons
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My mom is on Medicaid & SSI & I'm worried how this will affect her. She has a LOT of health problems & we've already been having problems with Medicaid not wanting to pay for certain things they're supposed t pay for over the past few years & I'm afraid this bill will make things worse for her. I'm also afraid for myself. I have ZERO money, yet, I'm going to be forced to pay for health insurance..... although I have ZERO money. I was so looking forward to health care reform.. it was one of the reasons I voted for Obama. But I'm incredibly disappointed with this new bill. It's not at all what I was hoping for & will probably make life more difficult for both me & my mom. More to worry about.
Juggalo
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This is a perfect example of how Obama has disenfranchised his own base over health care. He campaigned against an insurance mandate(which his opponent John McCain advocated) and was for a public option. Now his health care bill includes the mandate and no public option. And he had the nerve the other day to tell the Washington Post "I didn't campaign on the public option". Which is an outright lie and pretty much a way of flipping the bird to progressives and the people who put him in office.
EDIT: Obama had a great line on the subject of insurance mandates during the campagain. He said that saying the solution to a lack of health care is to mandate people who are uninsured go out and buy insurance is like saying the solution to homelessness is mandating that homeless people purchase homes. Why do you think they're homeless in the first place? They can't afford it.
What the heck has happened to Obama?
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this_portrait
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He's a politician, so naturally during the election campaigns and whatnot, he used colorful words like "HOPE" and "CHANGE" and made big promises to certain groups of people, IN ORDER TO GET VOTES. It's nothing a politician HASN'T done in the past.
As for healthcare, I don't really care about it too much; in fact, I think it's good for those who actually need it. However, what I think is absolutely BOGUS is forcing people to either get insurance or pay a fine. Excusez-moi?
Anomaly
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Walk
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I'm going to have to read more about the issues so that I can eloquently respond.
At the end of the day, I just hope that the legislation with the most heart and fairness goes into effect. That's it.