I Have a Serious Problem With Romance

...Yes, I know, self respect is important but in my world just because
someone has low self respect and self esteem does not give me the right
to treat then poorly and abuse them.

Ladies, I am sorry but this is a very recurring pattern I see in others
and have experienced myself with women.

Should I feel bad for those women and respect them? I think not.

This I believe is where Phobo's misogyny stems from and honestly
I am getting tired of him being bashed. He might be blunt, he might write
long posts, he is no English scholar and maybe does not articulate well.
He is just here for help.


Thanks Red,

Basicaly girls act like bitches under certain circumstances, just like guys act like assholes. Its part of being human and flawed. We have to own up to this.

My misogyny is not chauvanist, it's personal. I feel like a personal victim of women, because I have been on many occasions. However, the way in which I perceived this, the reasons underlying these experiences, and the impact they had, were all filtered through my obsessiveness, distortions, and social phobia, and thereby transformed into a completely disproportionate monstrosity.

Im not so sure I believe these ideas so firmly anymore. They are starting to crumble a little bit.

Also, thanks for sticking up for me. Im tired of getting bashed by bullies too.
 

Remus

Moderator
Staff member
Romancing is all about giving out your love, making the other person feel special, not just by showering gifts but gestures.

Your OP is "all about me", I think you need to work on that, being self obsessed is not romantic, a complete turn off. I see alot of paranoia in that post, I doubt you are ready.

I was like this in the past, got myself into a couple of really messed up relationships.
 
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Hi Sera,

...We're all human and we're all fallible and flawed to some degree. You do not need a woman (or anyone else for that matter) to validate you.

Its not the choice of girl that is the problem, its with me. I was treating women like whores, and I have social phobia. Those two problems = no sex, no girlfriends. I need people to validate me because I have SA, when I don't have SA anymore I wont believe that. I wish it could be willed away so easily.

...I know that I could have picked nicer guys in the past, but I did not. That doesn't mean that I (or you) deserved to be treated like shit, but there are people out there who will do so regardless.

That's a good point, you didn't deserve to be treated like shit and you were victimized by those men. Im starting to think I have also imagined much of the evidence supporting my negative beliefs. Maybe I wasn't treated as badly as I thought, because maybe they weren't doing to me what I thought.

...When you have respect for yourself, others will follow lead. If they don't then it's their choice and they are entitled to it. I've been rejected and dumped and I too have felt like I was a failure and that there was nothing about me worth liking or loving. But in retrospect, who were those men to me? Who are they to me today? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. One of my exes thought it was a good idea to have his buddies get me drunk and run a train on me (no worries! nothing bad happened) at a New Year's party. My dumb-ass gave him a second chance after that party. He dumped me not too long after. Apparently, his friends didn't think I was good enough for him.

Yea but they are still victimizing me, and that's the basis for feeling angry and hopeless. When you are a woman you can get laid, you just can't get guys to stick around. But when you are a guy, you can't get laid OR get girls to stick around. Don't forget that the playing field isn't equal. Women have somewhat more power. Nevertheless, our self-esteem, and psychopathology are the root of the problem, I agree.

Ask yourself: What are those dumb girls to you? What are they other than a bad memory?

I believed they were proof positive that I was unconditionaly unacceptable, because by failing to get them and keep them around, I proved myself defective. It's a different scenario then what you are proposing.


...Those bitches are not worth all this shit you're going through. You're keeping yourself from growing because of what they did to you?

Well that's SA for you. I hate this disease.

Remember that the majority of people (women and men) are not evil bastards.

But that can't be just asserted, it has to be proven with logic and evidence! I was proving exactly the opposite statement with my distortions, and obsessiveness, and my phobias. You are right however.

Would you have me thinking that all men are rapists because I could have been raped or because many of my girlfriends were raped/sexually abused.


Yes. If you were raped by the majority of men who were interested in having sex on the first night, I'd say you had great evidence for the belief that men who want sex early are generaly rapists. But if you only THOUGHT they were trying to rape you, when realy you were in no danger, then I'd point out your error in thinking.

Why do you think that every woman out there wants to turn you into a victim? Out of all the men out there, why you? Try to challenge these thoughts and fears.

Because I they constantly tell me lies and feminist propaganda. However, many of the things they say are not realy lies, I just thought they were! For instance RedRibbons was dead on - I fixed the problem with the girl from halloween by apologizing! I never thought I was the only man they wanted to bring down, I just figured I was weak enough for them to get to.

You have to see that it is not possible for every woman you have dated to want to get to know you further. ...You win some and you lose some.


NO it's quite possible. It happens to plenty of guys here, that's why they are still virgins in many cases. It's not their fault, its their social phobia. Likewise, I don't lose some and win some, I lose most and win a few. That's not normal.


There have been men who have approached me because they thought I was pretty but they lost interest after fifteen minutes.


:eek: Are you kidding me? They are fools, you are gorgeous and have an awesome style, and your a great person (and I barely know you).

Could it just be coincidental that this plethora of evil women always happen to find you? It's possible that some of them are b***es and it's possible that you're making some of them out to be a lot worse than they really are....How will you truly be able to see the good women for what they are when all you see in them is the bad from your past?

Yes youre dead on. Im imagening things because of my extreme distortions, obsessiveness, and overpowering phobia of being defective. I already unleared the belief about women not liking me unless they hook up the first night. What a bunch of bullshit. I can see why that's not true now.


Thanks Serafina!
 
Romancing is all about giving out your love, making the other person feel special, not just by showering gifts but gestures.

Your OP is "all about me", I think you need to work on that, being self obsessed is not romantic, a complete turn off. I see alot of paranioa in that post, I doubt you are ready.

I was like this in the past, got myself into a couple of really messed up relationships.


Yes! Everyone is helping me understand just how completely paranoid I am.
 

Hellhound

Super Moderator
Well that may be true, but I think the problem is deeper than that. My phobia is fear of being defective and I developed these attitudes out of the pain and anxiety I felt surrounding my intereactions with women, many years ago when I was in middle school and highschool. They have largely ruined my love-life by themselves, the rest of my SA notwithstanding.

You make perfect sense and you hit the nail on the head. I generalized a few experiences to all women, and I created very painful and angry beliefs out of my obsessive thinking, distortions, and fear of being defective.


That fear you already had got worse because of the way they treated you. I guess that's what lead you to think like that. All those girls were nothing but poison for you...
Yes, having SA can make things very difficult, but it can be less troublesome when the people around you are more intelligent, nice and understanding with you... Maybe that is what you are needing? :p
 
I agree that low self respect and low self esteem doesn't give people the right to treat them badly... and I think it's happened to most people at this site because I think we all have these kinds of issues in some form or another.

Yea you are right on the money.

It is absolutely sickening to me that there are people that take advantage rather than trying to help a person feel better... and I'm not trying to pass judgment on Phobo or anyone else here.

Thanks. Sorry if I was harsh earlier, I know you mean the best. I wasn't abused as badly as some men I have heard about, but I my SA made me take everything that did happen very personaly. Of course I also made stuff up it seems. Im trying to rework my thinking now.

It just seems like a cycle that can be impossible to break... you have low self esteem, so people treat you poorly, thus making your self esteem even worse. ..

Yea but that's how social phobia works, you have to understand this.
 

Remus

Moderator
Staff member
Yes! Everyone is helping me understand just how completely paranoid I am.

are we all wrong? is the rest of the world mad?

I think you have SA and OCD but something tells me theres something else up too, I suggest going back to your psyche and re-assessing your mental health.

This is by no means any kind of dig at you, I'm a little concerned and that's why you have been given more leeway than most would have here. So never be paranoid that people on this board do not have your best interests at heart
 
...Yes, having SA can make things very difficult, but it can be less troublesome when the people around you are more intelligent, nice and understanding with you... Maybe that is what you are needing? :p

I don't think so, what I need is solid logical analysis behavioral therapy. ::p:
 
are we all wrong? is the rest of the world mad?

I think you have SA and OCD but something tells me theres something else up too, I suggest going back to your psyche and re-assessing your mental health.

This is by no means any kind of dig at you, I'm a little concerned and that's why you have been given more leeway than most would have here. So never be paranoid that people on this board do not have your best interests at heart

I checked myself on a number of personality disorder scales already and I dont have any of those illnesses (HPD, NPD, etc). I actualy diagnosed someone else with NPD once, so Im no stranger to self-diagnosis. I dont beleive I have any other disorders. Whats going on with me is simply atelophobia, and strong OCD. My cousin also has social phobia, one may have another anxiety disorder, and my grandfather had an attention-switching problem. My dad has a lot of anxiety and attention-switching problems. My mother had and still has general anxiety disorder and depression which appears to have a neurological basis (no surprise there!). Its also been known since I was a small child that I had certain behavioral disfunctions (which I can easily classify as neurologicaly based).
 
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I'm a woman & you didn't offend me in the least.
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I have many of the same feeling you have towards the opposite sex.
I feel that none of the "good guys" would ever like or want be & I'd only attract the shallow losers who would use me.


Well im glad youre not offended. Maybe I can help you with your feelings towards men? Could be mutualy beneficial.
 
self diagnosis is not the same as seeing a professional

Dude, that's true, but (1) im good at psychology, and (2) I have talked about it to my psychologist and he does not feel I have a personality disorder. And lastly, even if I did, what would I do about it? They can't be cured at all! :eek:
 

Jake123

Banned
Dude, that's true, but (1) im good at psychology, and (2) I have talked about it to my psychologist and he does not feel I have a personality disorder. And lastly, even if I did, what would I do about it? They can't be cured at all! :eek:

There's always frontal lobotomy...
 
Why do you think that anyone is bashing him? No one here has written anything that can remotely be described as bashing...He asked for constructive criticism and that is what people have given him. It is very noble of you to come to his defenses but he is by no means a victim.

We were both afraid certain elements on this board would pipe their feces into this thread. But everyone is being supportive.

Phobologist articulates himself quite well. There is nothing about his posts that is difficult to read or understand.

Thanks! I was flabbergasted by that assertion as well, but I figured I would simply need to try harder.

Would you be understanding and forgiving if I were ranting about men? Would it be reasonable were I to think that all men are woman-hating rapists? If I were to believe this, no one should ever provide excuses for me.

Well in real life I would come down on you like a hail-storm from Antarctica if you said such things. I have no problem with people coming down on me in general since I love fighting. But this is a mental health forum and I am not here to fight, I am here to get better. So in this context we should be understanding and try to help one another work through our crazy beliefs.

I respect Phobologist's honesty very much. He has balls to say all the things that he says. Not too many people speak their true feelings as he does. There are a very few men on SPW who's posts have undertones that reflect their disdain towards women. These people might not be making an effort to understand or challenge their feelings/beliefs such as Phobologist is doing.

Hehehehe thanks sera! I do have balls though don't I to post this insane stuff on the internet. I mean I even showed my face. Some feminist will blow my brains out tomorrow. :eek: Im glad you see it takes some courage to be honest, because honesty is something I strive for whenever my SA permits.

I'm sure that Phobologist does have some hatred for women, which no one should judge him for,

Quite alot actualy. But you should know that has nothing to do with my fantasy stuff. Fetishes like that are related to childhood traumas (I had surgery when I was 5) such as being sick or having surgery. :)


but at least he knows that his fears and hatred do him no good. He seems to honestly want to correct his negative way of thinking.

Well what's deserved is deserved. But I'd rather fix the problem then keep on hating and stewing in my own failure. I don't want to harbor any ill will towards half of the human race, especialy the one I wish to be so close to.

I am in no way justifying his or anyone else's hatred but I do fear that there may be those who may convey the message that his negative thinking is excusable.

Sera, I think you are confusing misogyny with chauvanism. Claiming that women are moraly inferior because of their behavior is not chauvanist, its mysogynist. Claiming that men are all rapist pigs because of their behavior is not chauvanist, its misandrist. But claiming that these characteristics are inherent, is chavuanist. Chauvanism is much worse than simple dislike. They are not even on the same level. One is outright bigotry (except where very good evidence exists), the other is a disposition based on personal experience and evidence.
 
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Cynic

Well-known member
I believe that women don't like me, because they don't respect me, and that they don't respect me because I am not good enough.
If you lack the qualities that women instinctively seek in a man, then that is true, yes.

Perhaps I am paranoid, but I am firmly convinced that women in general would like to turn me into a complete loser, so they can secretly laugh at me behind my back, and make me their puppet.
Nah, once they see the 'loser' signs, they tend to give you the cold shoulder and move on without giving you a second thought - unless you continue to pursue them, then they might have some fun messing with your head.

I even believe that women on this site are doing this to me, and that they don't believe half of the stuff they tell me. I don't think women want me to be successful, they want me to suffer and want to use me as a punching bag for their anger and insecurities. I just know that once they have managed to transform me into a sucker, some woman will call me a "pathetic loser who can't get any". I will then be their public laughing stock. I've seen them make such comments to and about other men. In this event, my self-esteem would be completely crushed and I would be destroyed.
Usually this happens if you keep pursuing someone who has already rejected you.


I believe that most women enjoy treating men they aren't interest in, with cruelty and sadism.
Yes, women will enjoy doing this to any male they deem as a "loser", just like the majority of guys will do to a "loser" that tried to befriend them. Its human natue.

Women seem to have a very low opinion of men with romantic shortcomings.
100% true.

If a girl detects a lack of confidence, assertiveness, self-respect, or dominance, in my behavior, then she will change her opinion of me. Instantly I become a play-toy, although she originaly saw me as a potential lover or boyfriend. Once demoted to this lowly position, she will then proceed to abuse and tease me, and finaly get rid of me like trash.
Not if you refuse to play her game. If you do, then yeah, she will have a ball at your expense. Only recently you made a post yourself admitting that you aren't boyfriend material and gave a list why. First off, you need to eradicate these problems that make you unworthy of them before getting into all the games, otherwise you will be fair game. For over 20 years I've lived with the fact that I'm not good enough for anyone. At least I can't get screwed around with like that but I've had to avoid relationships because I'm not good enough. The truth often ain't pleasant.

On numerous occasions I have heard women talking shit about guys with these shortcommings, so its not only some women who are like this, but most of them.
Yep.

I hope this post wasn't offensive to anyone.
And to whoever it did offend...that's just their tough shit. ;)
 

lettypagb

Well-known member
you have a freack mind , just go to a girl ask her out , if she says no , is because youre ugly .thats all.
 
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