Blake The Great Ect...
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Hey people whats going on? Do I really have to be a product of society to live with society? Get back to me 
Whats the deal with society
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Pacific_Loner
Pirate from the North Pole
This question is the story of my life.
I tried to transform myself into a product of society (I mean I really tried) and I failed.
So now I hope the answer to your question is no.
I tried to transform myself into a product of society (I mean I really tried) and I failed.
So now I hope the answer to your question is no.
Blake The Great Ect...
Member
How so? If you dont mind telling me? Its hard to conform but even harder to attempt.
Locke
Member
I think you already are a product of society. You may not be the most successful (success would be interesting to define in itself), but you have your place in the ranks just like everyone else. Do you clothe yourself in gender specific dress or judge your body or mind for their strengths and weaknesses as defined by your society? You may have already conformed in many areas to mimic someone safe or recognizable to your society. That's survival. But, maybe you've reached your own boundaries of what you can stomach without questioning yourself.
In my experience, absolutely, you must be a product to live with society (successfully). I'm not a perfect product, but I've made some steps to correct myself out of curiosity, and have found that I feel better when doing so. I feel better after I conform. That is not a statement I say lightly since I am naturally resentful of conforming. That is also not a statement I say out loud, lest I want to be called a tool. But, my body actually rewards me with feel good chemicals or something when I conform. There really is a peace and happiness to conforming. Trust me, I feel disgusted and bitter that my happiness is that cheap, but I can admit that, yes, I've conformed to live with society, and that continuing to conform does make my life easier.
In my experience, absolutely, you must be a product to live with society (successfully). I'm not a perfect product, but I've made some steps to correct myself out of curiosity, and have found that I feel better when doing so. I feel better after I conform. That is not a statement I say lightly since I am naturally resentful of conforming. That is also not a statement I say out loud, lest I want to be called a tool. But, my body actually rewards me with feel good chemicals or something when I conform. There really is a peace and happiness to conforming. Trust me, I feel disgusted and bitter that my happiness is that cheap, but I can admit that, yes, I've conformed to live with society, and that continuing to conform does make my life easier.
KiaKaha
Banned
Unless you can become completely self sufficient then you will have to become a part of society. I don't think survival will be particularly easy if you remove yourself from it all. It would be nice though wouldnt it? The true definition of freedom really.... this question is borderline political in a way, deeper than it first seems.
We're all a product of society whether we like it or not, but it's interesting to think about how far removed from it we could be if we really wanted to be. I for one often daydream about a self-sustaining environment, living off the beaten path somewhere with a paid-off house, solar panels installed, living off home-grown fruits and vegetables with my own water well, etc. That whole isolationist aspect really appeals to me, but it's not terribly realistic or practical. Still, as the world becomes more crowded and complicated, there are more and more people wanting to escape it all and get away from their unrewarding jobs, stressful family lives, huge mortgages, car payments and so forth. I don't think it's natural or healthy to exist the way we currently do.
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Pacific_Loner
Pirate from the North Pole
First I stopped dressing the way I wanted and started to dress in a more socially acceptable way. In fact I totally changed my style. Then I left the artistic field (big mistake) and went toward a more scientific field, which would allow me to have a more stable job. While doing this, I started to travel a lot (good idea) and tried to eat better, slow down on drugs and alcohol, do more exercice, in order to fight chronic depression (excellent idea).
If I look at who I was back then and who I am right now, I guess I made some progress, since my life is a lot healthier than it used to be. I'm more conform in appearance, so it's easier for me to get a job, but I still can't keep a job for a very long time. And I feel like I lost a big part of my personnality trying to be someone else, which is bad. And I'm fighting depression instead of giving in, but I'm getting exhausted. So... I'm still seeking for answers on how to live with these people.
Blake The Great Ect...
Member
I was only joking I wasnt being for real.
EscapeArtist
Well-known member
only joking and wasn't for real? about the whole question? Heck i'll answer anyways. It's an interesting question.
I think that, thanks to neo-tribalism, you don't have to alter yourself as much to fit into society because the new 'in thing' in society is freedom of self expression and individuality. Unfortunately, that's just a better way to say that there's a new trend. Society is becoming a lot more diverse and open, thank goodness. And luckily, there are little communities within the society that will allow more acceptance than the big old ugly society itself. Still won't fit in perfectly anywhere most likely if you are not a product.
I am not sure... some people are given credit for not sacrificing their own free will for the collection will, but usually they are given credit only from others who are fighting also for their own free will, and against the collective, conformist will. Luckily, as more and more people acknowledge that they cannot be a perfect product of society happily (completely ignoring their own free will in trade for collective will of society) a greater population within society exists that values the free will of the individual over the collective will, thus making society more accepting of those who are not conforming. So, not exactly, but gradually more and more
I think that, thanks to neo-tribalism, you don't have to alter yourself as much to fit into society because the new 'in thing' in society is freedom of self expression and individuality. Unfortunately, that's just a better way to say that there's a new trend. Society is becoming a lot more diverse and open, thank goodness. And luckily, there are little communities within the society that will allow more acceptance than the big old ugly society itself. Still won't fit in perfectly anywhere most likely if you are not a product.
I am not sure... some people are given credit for not sacrificing their own free will for the collection will, but usually they are given credit only from others who are fighting also for their own free will, and against the collective, conformist will. Luckily, as more and more people acknowledge that they cannot be a perfect product of society happily (completely ignoring their own free will in trade for collective will of society) a greater population within society exists that values the free will of the individual over the collective will, thus making society more accepting of those who are not conforming. So, not exactly, but gradually more and more
3lefts
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Most jokes have a underlying truth.
Blake The Great Ect...
Member
I know its a pretty interesting question to ask. I guess that wasnt my real question.
Im 22 no job no friends but I really want to change this. I cant become happy unless I do. I just started taking zo-loft for anxiety and it takes a while to fully kick in. I dont want my life to continue like the way it is now. The Job market is a hard place to fit into if you have S.A.D. and I know there are jobs out there for people like us but I cant even barley hold a conversation face to face with someone so I cant ever pass an interview. I know how a good one is suppose to go but I get super nervious and bassicly freeze up every time. I just graduated a apprentiship program and got my GED and DL and a trade under my belt but still I am very inconfident about life. By the way I just got laid off from a job and got vey little in the bank with a big doctors bill to pay. Its hard for me not to just go out today and spend money to get high temperaily be relieved from the stress and boredom. I know I dnt need that right now but it will help my mind. Im not looking for input just a lil conversation.
Im 22 no job no friends but I really want to change this. I cant become happy unless I do. I just started taking zo-loft for anxiety and it takes a while to fully kick in. I dont want my life to continue like the way it is now. The Job market is a hard place to fit into if you have S.A.D. and I know there are jobs out there for people like us but I cant even barley hold a conversation face to face with someone so I cant ever pass an interview. I know how a good one is suppose to go but I get super nervious and bassicly freeze up every time. I just graduated a apprentiship program and got my GED and DL and a trade under my belt but still I am very inconfident about life. By the way I just got laid off from a job and got vey little in the bank with a big doctors bill to pay. Its hard for me not to just go out today and spend money to get high temperaily be relieved from the stress and boredom. I know I dnt need that right now but it will help my mind. Im not looking for input just a lil conversation.
Blake The Great Ect...
Member
I kinda get what ur saying!