What Is Your Self-Worth Based On?

I theorized not long ago that our self-worth is based on what others think of us. Afterwards I realized this was mistaken, and that what we think of ourselves is what's really important. I would like to explain what I mean by this.

No one, not even Social Phobes, actually bases their self worth on the opinions of others. We all have an internal meter that measures our value against principles we hold for ourselves. When we meet these ideals, we feel we are fanastatic people, but failing this, our self-esteem is crushed. The thing is, we believe we are defective because we do not meet our own ideals of how we OUGHT to be. In a twisted process, we obsessively manufacture evidence and beliefs which reinforce the idea that we are critically defective in some way(s).

Other people scare us because they appear to confirm our worst fear that we are worthless. Their opinions do not form our self-esteem, their opinions VALIDATE our self-affirmations / self-deprications. We use others as a means to validate our existing opinions, because we do not trust ourselves. Every single one of us believes that our self-image is not honest unless it is reflected by others. This pathology, which I will call the social-mirror complex, is one which normal people do not suffer from. They are much more likely to believe that others are missing their "true selves", or misunderstanding them, rather than to take negative reactions as divine truth.

So, what is your SELF WORTH actually based on? Here's mine, so far...


1. Being generally competent (e.g. socially, with women, in school, at work, etc).

2. Being good-looking, physically fit, and able to dress well.

3. Being talented or skilled (i.e., able to sing, draw, skate, etc)

4. Being honest, principled, and moral.

5. Being intelligent, knowledgeable and articulate.


If I think of more ideals I will add them. As you can see, I have several ideals which to some extent depend on my interactions with others. However, these ideals are still internal to myself, and the opinions of others are not (theoretically) required to validate them. For example, I knew a guy in college who dressed very well, but was not concerned with others attitudes about his style. What mattered was that HE BELIEVED he dressed well. The same can be said for many of those other ideals. For example, my ideal that I should be socially competent does not depend on what others think, it depends on what I think. If I attribute my social incompetence to my phobia, my ideal is upheld. However, because of my belief that others must validate my self-image, I require their agreement to believe that my underlying social ability is not defective.

I hope this example is helpfull in discovering what your self-worth is really based on. I would like to hear about it.
 
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blue-roses

Well-known member
^ I think we do base our self-worth on the opinions of others, but we think they're going to think things that we've made up ourselves. "I know I'm a loser...what if everyone else thinks the same thing?! I couldn't deal with that..."

I often think everything would be okay if everyone else thought I was a great person, even if I still totally hated myself. Of course, that wouldn't work because I just wouldn't be able to believe that they thought I was great, or I'd feel sorry for them for being so misguided and guilty for "fooling" them and making them waste their time on me. That's why they say "you have to love yourself before you can get anyone to love you" - I hate that quote, but it's true. Yes, some people with no self-esteem are in relationships, but I bet most are pretty dysfunctional ones.
 

Noca

Banned
My opinion of myself is very much influenced by the opinions of others. If it wasn't then I wouldn't care if someone said I was ugly or a loser.
 
I learned from other people that I have no worth. I didn't come to the conclusion by myself.

Thats because they ceased reflecting your self-image. When that happened you couldn't validate it any longer and began to believe you were failing to meet your own ideals. You then concluded you had no self-worth.
 

Lorraine Manca

Well-known member
the first post was interesting. good job explaining such a confusing idea! we cant know what other people think, so itd be nearly impossible to base self worth on that. we can guess though! but then the guess comes from us. makes sense.
i prefer to think not only am i worthless, but so are all the people around me. problem solved! they all sh_t just like you do!
whenever you are intimidated by someone, hold that thought!
 
^ I think we do base our self-worth on the opinions of others, but we think they're going to think things that we've made up ourselves. "I know I'm a loser...what if everyone else thinks the same thing?! I couldn't deal with that..."

I often think everything would be okay if everyone else thought I was a great person, even if I still totally hated myself. Of course, that wouldn't work because I just wouldn't be able to believe that they thought I was great, or I'd feel sorry for them for being so misguided and guilty for "fooling" them and making them waste their time on me. That's why they say "you have to love yourself before you can get anyone to love you" - I hate that quote, but it's true. Yes, some people with no self-esteem are in relationships, but I bet most are pretty dysfunctional ones.

Exactly, it's our own opinion of ourselves that really matters. Other people merely reflect our self-image. We, unlike normal people, need others to validate our self-image. If they do not do this for us, it changes accordingly. But normal people don't do this. Yes their self-image can take a major blow depending on the reactions they receive from others, but it won't ever be entirely crushed. I had a friend in college, a beautiful girl who was popular, very socially skilled, and highly intelligent. She had an even WORSE experience than I had in middle school. I developed social phobia the summer before high-school, despite my recent improvement in social skills. She, on the other hand, grew some tits and became popular. Case in point. :D
 
the first post was interesting. good job explaining such a confusing idea! we cant know what other people think, so itd be nearly impossible to base self worth on that. we can guess though! but then the guess comes from us. makes sense.
i prefer to think not only am i worthless, but so are all the people around me. problem solved! they all sh_t just like you do!
whenever you are intimidated by someone, hold that thought!

Thanks a lot, Im so glad it helped. It seems you are getting the picture. ::eek::
 

Jake123

Banned
No. Thinking you're _____ will not make you _____. It's placebo at best but not matter how much of a little train that could you are and how much you think you can and you think you can, it doesn't work like that. I'm sorry. People can't read your mind. They don't care what you think about yourself unless you blurt it out. Unless you change what you're actually doing and how you appear, everyone will still see you the same way. They don't "reflect" your thoughts. Think you are awesome will not make people around you think you are awesome. If anything they might think you have delusions of grandeur or are completely full of yourself.

I thought I was great until people told me otherwise. They didn't reflect what I thought of myself now did they? :)
 
I thought I was great until people told me otherwise. They didn't reflect what I thought of myself now did they? :)

Jake, maybe you and I really do suck, are completely unlikeable, and maybe it's totally understandable that noone wants to be our friends. So what? :)
 
My self worth is determined by me and only me. I am really not bothered with what other think of me. Just because i don't have a job or because i have OCD doesn't mean i am not a good person. What i am saying is that i don't think you have to be a millionair lawyer to be considered valuable. If that makes sense?!!?!

*Creepily* Give me your brain, Barry...:) Don't make me use this hacksaw, because Im getting it one way or another.
 
It is true, and so nothing. It is what it is and that's how it's staying lol

So if it's survivable, why are you afraid of others? Because Im feeling less afraid by the day right now, and it's all because I'm starting to believe that none of my "defects" is really (a) that bad in the first place, and (b) related to my actual person (as opposed to my illness).:D
 

Jake123

Banned
So if it's survivable, why are you afraid of others? Because Im feeling less afraid by the day right now, and it's all because I'm starting to believe that none of my "defects" is really (a) that bad in the first place, and (b) related to my actual person (as opposed to my illness).:D

I'm not really afraid of them I just don't like people and I can't stand them.
 
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