What about GOD, Can he help?

[Doomed2Die]

True, the black death was a huge spike in terms of world population, also consider the world population at the time of the black death epidemic, it had to be much smaller than it is now. So statisticly we may have a higher life expectancy rate (mostly), but more people than ever are dying per year. I suppose with that said the issue seems moot, more people obviously means more death, but even so that percentage of deaths from the bubonic plague probally equalites to some rather small percentage compared to nowdays head count.

Pretty much there is more sickness and death than there ever was simply even because there is many humans on the globe as it is. At least, thats mostly a fairly educated guess but it seems logical to me . :roll: .

 

[Mithras]

utter..utter,nonsensensical drivvle.....I cant believe in the 21st century people still debate the what's and if's of mythical deities.

 

[Doomed2Die]

You can only trust what you are born into, otherwise there is no other way of learning what and how. Pride and ignorance though plainly lables those who are unwilling to learn, yet willing to hold onto their inherited information blindly.

Eh 21st century matters not, things are just repeated throughout history, with a new layer of paint of course. The only real noticable thing about the present is that the generalised 'bad things' are much, much, more common than previously. The truth is around admist the confusion, but it is more than noticable to those who are looking for it.

 

[ifalter]

What do you guys think? Do you think that God can help us?
I mean I grew up in the church and all but at the same time, I also grew up
in a dysfunctional family as well. But in anycase, I grew up in the church and the bible teaches that what we are dealing with is not flesh and blood but it is an evil spirit. But although I believe that what we are dealing with is indeed an evil spirit, I still have not seen any improvement. So that makes me believe that the church DOES NOT have it all right. And that prayer IS NOT enough. That we have to actually do something to help ourselves on top of prayer. Maybe take some prescribed medications, like what I am on. I am currently taking Zoloft for depression and anxiety and Seroqual for Bipolar anxiety. Maybe try to do some positive thinkings or something. I don't know but all I know is that from my experience, prayer is not enough. What about you guys? Has anybody had any success with God and prayer and church by itself?

I'm a Christian agoraphobic, too. Hope I don't scare anyone off. I believe it is a demon, like every other mental/physical illness. But...the reason I'm an agoraphobe is because I had an eating disorder which left my body...not at it's best...I don't want anyone to see me like this, so I don't go out. I dropped out of high school and everything. I'm 17 and glad I have my mom...I know I will get healed by December. I will come on here and tell y'all about it! I don't think I have any say for right now, though, because I am still this way.

 

[Chod77]

I do believe in God but I don't believe in churches. Churches always made me uncomfortable. In my opinion there really isn't a right or wrong religion (accept for Scientology, fucking wackos). As long as you have some sort of faith.

I do pray. I ask God to make me normal and content. I ask God to make me a good person and to help me get over my phobias. I also pray for everyone on Social Phobia World. Lol. My theory on prayer is that it can't hurt right? It can't hurt to ask God for some help. Haven't had much success yet though. Good luck with everything

 

[Lea]

I also believe in God, but don´t believe in churches. God is too big, in fact he is infinite to be able to fit in a miserable church . I think we can never find God in any human institution. I do my own searching, or just waiting that one day I´ll know more.

 

[Doomed2Die]

It is quite possible to learn what God wants, it is not wise to assume ideals without consulting what he has to say, his word the bible. Jehovah's kingdom in heaven as mentioned in the bible is founded in organisation, it is essential for life on earth, for groupings of people to work together and to inspire eachother. Why is it unacceptable to have organised faith?

If you really want to learn and see for yourself what a real religion is consider this article http://www.watchtower.org/e/20010801/article_01.htm.

"When it comes to religion, mistaken beliefs have historically caused great harm. Think of the horrors that resulted when religious leaders "inspired Christian zealots to pitiless violence" during the so-called Holy Crusades of the Middle Ages. Or think of the modern-day "Christian" gunmen in a recent civil war who, "just like medieval warriors who had saints' names on their sword hilts, taped pictures of the Virgin to their rifle butts." All these zealots believed that they were right. Yet, obviously in these and other religious struggles and fights, something was terribly wrong." ~ excerpt

 

[Thelema]

If God cares about me, he can prove himself to me, otherwise I refuse to believe in him.

The Bible is very old hearsay and Judge Judy won't even listen to very recent hearsay

 

[Lea]

If God cares about me, he can prove himself to me, otherwise I refuse to believe in him.

I like that!

What do you guys want! First just try to be good enough to be worth it. And have a lot of patience. It´s not so easy you know.

 

[Volaju]

If God cares about me, he can prove himself to me, otherwise I refuse to believe in him.

I like that!

What do you guys want! First just try to be good enough to be worth it. And have a lot of patience. It´s not so easy you know.

Ah Yes, God does not do micro management. Instead he chose a couple of fine champions who understood the lord's ways.

1 Suicidal schizo bastard who choose judas as the scapegoat

2 Pedophile war hungry sadist who created jihad

3 Xenu


:roll:

 

[scruffpot]

I do not agree with concept of religion, an idol, fate, destiny or even karma
Nothing is done by a gods will, it is done by us, human beings.
Nothing created us the way we are, or even putting the blame on a god, its genes genetics that made us with cetain problems outsside effects peer pressure etc influences and incidents.
We all have our faults and defects but we have to learn to deal with them and be strong in ourselves and try to believe in yourselves and just be nice to people.
everything is a random chain of events you can control you but not outsiding events that can effect you
A to Z in life does not exist its random.
To create a god you have to have enough people to believe, a structure to base a religon around rules/stories.
I prefer science and maths as that is proven and can always be questioned instead of bound in the concept of a religion.

I stated my own cult (its called a cult as a marketing ploy) read it all at http://www.cultofrandom.com

we are just us and thats all we need. I am happy with it and who i am even if i ahve my problems but its up to me to sort them out and get help.

 

[creep_x]

god helps those who help themselves :lol:
btw .. if there was god we wudnt have to go thru all this shit, right?

 

[sketchy24]

god helps those who help themselves :lol:
btw .. if there was god we wudnt have to go thru all this shit, right?

Nope... God does not make living easier for you and he's not supposed to. He's not a genie that magically makes all your problems go away. Hardships are a way of growing. If it wasn't for SA, would I have given God much thought? If I had everything coming to me why would I feel the need to seek Him out? And think of Job... bad things happen to good people. I don't think one person lived their whole life and never had their faith challenged in some way. The people who make it through are stronger than they were before... It's certainly not easy trusting God all the time keeping you're eyes Him and living a Christ centered life... but come hell or high water, He'll pull us through. Nothing lasts forever and theres nothing we can't overcome... and when it's all over, He'll still be there. Are these temporary hardships and all be worth it to make it across the finish line? I'd say yes.

 

[CPA23]

god helps those who help themselves :lol:
btw .. if there was god we wudnt have to go thru all this shit, right?

Nope... God does not make living easier for you and he's not supposed to. He's not a genie that magically makes all your problems go away. Hardships are a way of growing. If it wasn't for SA, would I have given God much thought? If I had everything coming to me why would I feel the need to seek Him out? And think of Job... bad things happen to good people. I don't think one person lived their whole life and never had their faith challenged in some way. The people who make it through are stronger than they were before... It's certainly not easy trusting God all the time keeping you're eyes Him and living a Christ centered life... but come hell or high water, He'll pull us through. Nothing lasts forever and theres nothing we can't overcome... and when it's all over, He'll still be there. Are these temporary hardships and all be worth it to make it across the finish line? I'd say yes.

DITTO!!! Well said!!

 

[Doomed2Die]

It is written, in his own 'word' that these current circumstances are to take place. It is also written that it is the individual choice as a human to decide wherever to ignore his word, or follow it.

Every single thing in this life, and alot of history is explained in detail, even the future and things to come.

You cannot possibly claim to know about someone by listening to only yourself and others, the direct route is obvious, read and in turn study the bible.

There really is not too much more to say.

 

[Thelema]

If God cares about me, he can prove himself to me, otherwise I refuse to believe in him.

I like that!

What do you guys want! First just try to be good enough to be worth it. And have a lot of patience. It´s not so easy you know.

I'm a nice person, I don't lie, cheat or steal. I could get hit by a car today and the Bible says I'd go straight to Hell. If God loved me, he wouldn't let that happen and he wouldn't have put it in the Bible that it would happen. God is supposed to be all knowing and powerful, so he well knows what sending a decent person to Hell would be like, so where is he?

The only way in to Heaven is though Jesus, so what about all the countries in the world over the past 2000 years with no Christians? Does that sound loving to send them all to Hell? And you can't say that God wouldn't do that, its in the Bible.

The Bible has THOUSANDS of contradictions in it, you just can't make any sense of the babble in there. Religious people are so terrible that we need separation of Church and state. You know why? Because God's representatives screw everything up! Its only when you give God the finger that you can run a decent society.

God wouldn't make such obvious weird contradictions. God would make something that actually makes sense and actually helps people. Every religion has their own little book and a bunch of people running around telling you how enlightened they are..They're the most desperate, mentally deranged people on the planet. The only way you believe in religion is when you stop caring if it makes sense or not and just want to believe in anything. You might think that one thing or another just makes no sense about a particular religion, but you hang on because it sounds so good. Whatever happened to...if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is?

 

[Doomed2Die]

You clearly have not read the portions of the bible speaking of these things, for example if anyone dies they are going to hell, even his own followers (with a few exceptions). And hell is not torment, it is a grave. The religions of 'Christanity' share alot of false teaching including the hell misconception and souls, fortunately in the very book they claim to know it has clearly written otherwise.

Heaven also, why would we as humans be destined for a world of spiritual creatures that are self sustaining? We are human, and have earth tailored for us, it was God's intention from the beginning.

And well, I digged these up for you to make obvious the misconceptions.

For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all... ~ Ecclesiastes 9:5

The soul that is sinning—it itself will die... ~ Ezekiel 18:20

Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. ~ John 5:28, 29

For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited... ~ Isaiah 45:18

And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Ha´des gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. And death and Ha´des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire ~ Revelation 20:13-14 (all from NWT)

(note death and hell was thrown into the lake of fire also known as Gehenna, very few individuals also suffer the same fate)

Interestingly enough there is no contradictions when believing this. Go figure.

 

[scruffpot]

It is written, in his own 'word' that these current circumstances are to take place. It is also written that it is the individual choice as a human to decide wherever to ignore his word, or follow it.

Every single thing in this life, and alot of history is explained in detail, even the future and things to come.

You cannot possibly claim to know about someone by listening to only yourself and others, the direct route is obvious, read and in turn study the bible.

There really is not too much more to say.

I'm sorry but I do not agree with any of this.i do not believe in a god god's idol or a deity
For me I cannot believe in something that is human created belief to explain the idea of existance the path of life and why we are here.
To create a belief you need people wanting to believe in something you create a story you bring in rules structure and law = then sell it to the masses. religion is the biggest mass marketing tool on this planet.
Yes I have read the bible, and the books of learning from just about all other faiths as well.
You cannot tell the future life and history, as life is not predictable.To say it was god's will that made you do something it was his destiny is to deny yourself responsibility for your own actions as human beings. Or it was how he made you, well infact it is genes and genetics, that makes you you with all your flaws and good points, also what makes you you is laws, people, peer pressure social influences and incidents etc.

I am not arguing that religion is a bad thing, it can help a lot of people, personally I just don't agree with the concept of there being a god or something that exists guiding a path in life.

For me I see religion is like walking down a path with blinkers on, refusing to except reality for what you and everything is.
However unfortunately you cannot argue your points with someone who has faith as they will always be prepared to defend what they believe in.

And just because I see life in the way i do http://www.cultofrandom.com (check out for more details) it does not make me a bad person, and no I wont be going to hell or purgatory for these ideas, because i do not believe in your ideas to be put there.

Also i do not believe in anything even atheism, because to put things in boxes classifies things and leads to preconceptions of ideas from the other side of the fence. i see life as random, but being you cannot structure random it can't be a belief as you need structure to create a belief.

I have lost good friends to religious cults and sects, eg. Scientology, and extremism Christianity.

Long live science and maths.

 

[Doomed2Die]

~scruffpot

But that's the whole point of it, the bible, God ect. Choice. In fact the bible enforces this even.

You see, the bible says how the world being ruled by Satan is completely dedicated to preventing people from learning the truth i.e understanding the bible and discovering Jehovah. Now, of course this sounds far fetched to anyone unlearned in such. But what about the hundreds of Christian religions competely ignoring the bible? And yet praising it as some kind of idol. Is that not the best kind of coverup possible? To turn people away from the bible?

You claim you have read it and yet mention torment in hell and purgatory, both rightly tools to control people and not actually in the bible. Similarly destiny is not possible, correct, but what is an intelligent prediction? What is a super intelligent prediction? As a creator he knows everything inside and out, and can forsee what will happen. We share this ability ourselves, albeit on a much lesser scale.

Blindness caused by religion, I agree, blindness caused by the truth? Anything but.

 

[Pyrophosphate]

I used to be religious, until I realized that all life is essentially just a series of carefully controlled chemical reactions. And thoughts, ideas and beliefs are just patterns of electricity in the brain. If you take a jar and fill it up with methane, ozone, some carbons, nitrogen, water, and some other stuff that I can't remember, then run some electricity through it, you'll create life without omnipotence and omnipresence and all that noise.

But that's just my view...