Too human!

[Klaus]

I see human race as doing everything for instinct. Like animals.
Corporal language, facial expressions, behaviours like giving food to their child, ads about hot girls you want to reproduce with to put more humans in this world.

My psychiatrist had a baby, I can't think another way as she wanting to put other people similar to her at the world.

When I see a baby, I see their parents as selfish bastards that want their kind populating the world. And I feel rage. Because everybody is so worried about food, reproduce, rest. Same worries that a dog has.
I can't think about this earthy things so much.

Mums feeding their babies. "My son is best than yours." "My son fuck more females than your." "My son have a bigger stock of food than yours for the Winter."
FUCK. THIS IS SO primitive.

My best friend died 3 days ago hitted by a bus. She was 23. She is dead.
What the fuck? And now what? She was a beautiful and clever girl. And now what?

I see people diying like roaches, working as donkeys. What the hell? Why?
To make a better world to their descendents? Why? To conquer the Universe?

I don't want to reproduce. I don't want to eat. I don't want to sleep. I don't want to breath. I don't want to be better than other young males at reproductive age. They can take all my money, clothes, belongings. Take everything.

We are monkeys with self conscience. I don't want to reproduce myself. I don't want to be on the top of the chain. I don't want to be rich, have lots of girls or have a superb job and be respected for that. I despise all of this.


I don't want to exist. I want to leave. Disappear.

It's so hard to kill myself. I'm such a coward. I've tried before to jump from a building, but I couldn't.

Do you know any support group about suicide phobia?

 

[sabbath92003]

My deepest condolences on your loss Klaus.

Me and my wife have been married 15 years and we don't have any children. Yes, unfortunately I have to work and drive and be part of the rat race. I've been unemployed and it's a hell I wouldn't wish on anyone. I'm barely getting by, living from payroll check to payroll check. There's no way I can see us taking responsibility for a dog or a cat, let alone another human being.

There's been class warfare in this country for decades, and I hate to admit it but we are losing.

You are not a coward. Maybe with people like you on our side we can turn the tide and bring some humaneness and humility to this planet.

 

[worrywort]

Hi Klaus

I don't think you should jump off a building.....I think you should become a politician!!!....it's attitudes like yours that spark positive changes in society.

I often feel very similar to you. Sometimes I despise mankind. Especially this vain, shallow, competitiveness. Everybody wasting so much time and energy and money on wearing the coolest clothes and trying to get the latest status symbols and stepping on each others toes to get to the top, all just to give off the appearance of success...and I hate this competitive, macho, bitchy behaviour that comes out in people in group situations where everybody's trying to show off and be the best, or the coolest and impress the girls etc. It's so meaningless.

but then I'm reminded of that smashing pumpkins song, "disarm" with the lyrics....."the killer in me is the killer in you" .....and I think humans at their core are all the same, which includes me and you. I think most of these people, once you get to know them, have many very admirable qualities, just as we probably have many qualities that are unnatractive to others.

I feel so bad about your loss...you must feel dreadful, and I know I've asked those same questions you've asked many times.....try reading Ecclesiastes. It's the only book in the bible I can actually relate to. I find it very comforting. It's all about meaninglessness and vanity.

p.s. I don't care about being rich or having a flashing job with lots of girls either, even though I don't think there's anything innately wrong with money or girls etc. Infact, I LOVE girls and money! They're just not the most important thing in my life.

 

[Ubersonic]

People got to live their lives for something. If it's not religion or some other higher power then it's probably going to be materials and self gratification. People like us who don't pursue religion or materials just wish we were never born.

 

[no1]

yea u know I just want a simple life, and be stable. balanced.

not be all primitive and fight over stupid sh*t and be competitive about stupid trivial sh*t and then be blamed or looked down upon just cuz I don't want to be a slave to these images, instead of rising above them.. when we should be masters of our reality. instead we are taking it, and letting these primitive images rule us.

Sure we may be stuck with this world, and have to master this 'primitive image' we are given, but we have to keep our hearts. A lot of people forget about heart, and fall into a false image.

 

[eso]

you know i think every scientist would agree. we are just doing what is our instinct.

But since we have this time, you might as well use it for happiness. No matter what happens to me, as much crap i lived through, eventually i thought... instead of suffering i might as well have all the fun in the world. that is how I made things better for me. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. Maybe you have to hit bottom, like i did years ago, to realize something like that. Who knows. although, take the time to mourn the losses first.

 

[Goriot]

I think 'instinct' has become the new 'culture' in these arguements. Personally I think the whole instinct thing is overblown.

Find a society where these things aren't treasured so highly, where 'normality' and the path of success towards that 'normality' is an entirely different one (not necessarily better, just different) and the whole 'instinct' conclusion falls apart. People, often, are only really competitive in one way; to be the most normal person, as defined by their culture, seems to be the ultimate goal.

I guess the instinct conclusion comes from the notion that Westernised countries have the most liberty. Would other nations fall exactly the same way if they had the luxury of freedom? Errm...yeah probably...alright, you win.

I find no more comfort in this notion that culture plays a bigger part than instinct anyway, because as somebody else said on this topic, people are still displaying the same lack of heart, the same cold, cynical approach to life. It's difficult to imagine even being happy with having what I'm supposed to desire, the job, the wife, the car, without feeling like I'd just lucked out and that this could be anyone's job, she could be anyone's wife, and this car, like my wife and job, has had previous owners (it's a classic!)

You know, life excited me so much more when I had no self-esteem. I would not wish to go back there, and I hold on to the small amount that I have fiercely, but it has come at a price. I spent all of my delusions on it, and I fear that I will never believe that I am anything special ever again. Everyone deserves to be special. Everyone deserves to be an individual. But we're forfeiting it for a slice of the pie that is adequacy.

And once again I post something that doesn't seem to go anywhere, but boy what fun we had.

edit: I should have said house, not car!

 

[durda_dan]

I think 'instinct' has become the new 'culture' in these arguements. Personally I think the whole instinct thing is overblown.

Find a society where these things aren't treasured so highly, where 'normality' and the path of success towards that 'normality' is an entirely different one (not necessarily better, just different) and the whole 'instinct' conclusion falls apart. People, often, are only really competitive in one way; to be the most normal person, as defined by their culture, seems to be the ultimate goal.

I guess the instinct conclusion comes from the notion that Westernised countries have the most liberty. Would other nations fall exactly the same way if they had the luxury of freedom? Errm...yeah probably...alright, you win.

I find no more comfort in this notion that culture plays a bigger part than instinct anyway, because as somebody else said on this topic, people are still displaying the same lack of heart, the same cold, cynical approach to life. It's difficult to imagine even being happy with having what I'm supposed to desire, the job, the wife, the car, without feeling like I'd just lucked out and that this could be anyone's job, she could be anyone's wife, and this car, like my wife and job, has had previous owners (it's a classic!)

And once again I post something that doesn't seem to go anywhere, but boy what fun we had.

overblown?
culture and instinct are not the same at all,since the dawn of time we have been doing whats in our blood to do. we reproduce, we see danger we run away unless there is something of value within the danger where we protect it such a bully picking on your child.

we are just animals, although animals we are much more than monkeys.
we are us. everything we have done is because of instinct to get here. not because of culture, there are still amazon tribes in bazil, who have never came contact with civolization, you could ay they are not cultured people, But they are still doing what we are now.
that is living, Most amazingly you see all the animals around us, W are fit for extinction, we don't have claws, or sharp teeth, we arn't fast, we can't climb trees and we arn't even loud enough to scare anything. It's amazing we are still here.
And that my friend is all instinct.

 

[bleach]

I'm sorry about your friend, Klaus. Not sure what else to say, it's tragic... not much you can say about a tragedy.


Venting against the human race can be cathartic but it will not help you much in the long run. And the resulting bitterness can only do you harm.

The ways that other people seek happiness, the limits they choose to put on their reality need not concern you in any way. Like Mrs. Roosevelt said, it takes your consent for them to belittle you. Try accepting their livelihoods as merely another point of view which you have noticed but are not required to share. They don't care what you do with your life; don't waste energy worrying about theirs.

 

[Havocan]

Sorry for your loss. But in order to deal with this you need to accept the fact that she's gone and that this is supposed to be about your life. Suicide doesn't do anything good, it only worsens things. Think of your family, your friends and everyone else who'd suffer from losing you. And think of yourself, you've got to get out there and start living.

Procreating and spreading the species is just part of life. To give new people a chance to live a life and do something good for the world. There's more to life than just eating, sleeping and working, you've got to live it too. Yes, we are mammals and do it like they do at the Discovery Channel, but we also have a much bigger and useful brain which ensures a more varied life than the other living creatures on Earth^^.

 

[Klaus]

Thanks for all the replies! Helped me a lot.