Sexpresso?
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Hoth
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Are you sure Java Girls isn't Sun Microsystems' outreach program to get more girls interested in learning their programming language and associated technologies? I'll admit the website doesn't look like that, but they have to market it to the masses... probably a bait and switch.
Anyhow, nobody seems to worry about Chippendales setting back the male cause.
Anyhow, nobody seems to worry about Chippendales setting back the male cause.
Dave_McFadden
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At least you know they're using fresh milk.... :?
FamousFive
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Hoth said:
Isn't that just dancing performance by gay men for gay men? Not much of a setback for the male cause there...
Hoth
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Bianca said:
Yeah right. Women never ogle men, never talk about how great looking some celebrity is with his shirt off, never favor muscular men over wimps, and always do a complete personality evaluation rather than judging guys by looks. And there's no male porn industry either, I'm sure. I guess you'd have to be a man to understand. :roll:
Of course it's healthy to objectify people in certain safe contexts. Coffee is a weird fetish, but if you think you can conclude that any guy who goes there is sexist and lacks respect for women, you're certainly wrong.
Bianca
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Hoth said:
I agree with you that women ogle men, but it is definitely more common for women to be objectified than men. For example there is Hooters, Ker's Winghouse, and now Java Girls. Yes, women judge men by their looks but the thing is female pulchitrude is used much more often than mens' to advertise products. Just because sex sells doesn't mean that they should use it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...sSa3IDoH6qgKO6t2LDw&q=killing+us+softly&hl=en
Thelema
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flakeybark said:
What are they supposed to show? Men aren't trying to attract bears, so they don't put a picture of a bear in the advertising. Men are supposed to want skinny chicks that are as interesting to look at as a fence post. Why? Because they say that's the thing to lust after...and hey, they're selling a smelly oil that can help you get that. They create the problem and then give us the solution. First, your smell isn't sexy and then they sell you a sexy smell.
I see no difference between advertising with half naked women and Mcdonalds' commercials with thin 20 year olds smiling and laughing eating their crappy food, that can hardly be called food.
They're trying to make you buy their crap, not trying to portray any sense of the truth. They have to show how you'll be happy with their product.
Why do we buy fancy cars and expensive clothes? Advertisers convinced us we needed to waste our money on their product to be happy. Objectifying women is a drop in the bucket when you see the whole picture of how we're shaped by advertising.
Andrew
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I have been sexually objectified a few times and it is not a good feeling. Girls experience this many magnitutes more often as it is a systemic aspect of society. I think you actually have to experience it to understand where they are coming from. They are not just making this stuff up or being overly sensitive.
Thelema
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Bianca said:
Your documentary doesn't go in depth enough.
Women are the only group in the world to be discriminated against in every human culture...think of a culture....and what ever it is, they treated women as second class citizens, one way or the other.
We are, from the first few minutes of birth, supposed to look and act a certain way. If you have a girl baby, you look at girly features, if a boy, you look for boy features...of course, besides the genitals, the babies are exactly alike.
Girls are discriminated against even before birth, many people prefer having a male child. (this was just in the news with asian parents not wanting a female child, and choosing to have a male instead)
Advertising that discriminates women is like a billionaire complaining he lost a quarter down a storm drain. When we're talking about equal rights for women, we have to criticize human society since the beginning of time.
Society as a whole will have to change before advertising is going to really change. Advertising is discriminating because society is discriminating, not the other way around.
sleepysparrow
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Agree ^
Society everywhere needs to be changed, it's not just advertising and the media (although they are part of the problem) the root of the problem is society as a whole. This isn't the only problem that needs to be changed, WAR needs to be changed, laws need to be changed, government needs to be changed, but I think most of us just accept these things and too many people are turning a blind eye to the problems of the world, when we need to step out of our little box for a bit and open our eyes and do SOMETHING to try and change these things. We need universal change and awareness for anything to happen. Your president isn't going to change things for you, only YOU can change things. Question everything.
Society everywhere needs to be changed, it's not just advertising and the media (although they are part of the problem) the root of the problem is society as a whole. This isn't the only problem that needs to be changed, WAR needs to be changed, laws need to be changed, government needs to be changed, but I think most of us just accept these things and too many people are turning a blind eye to the problems of the world, when we need to step out of our little box for a bit and open our eyes and do SOMETHING to try and change these things. We need universal change and awareness for anything to happen. Your president isn't going to change things for you, only YOU can change things. Question everything.
Hoth
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flakeybark said:
Ads like that would never have been allowed in the old days. It's progress which dislodged puritanism. If women doing anything that men might feel lust over is bad, you end up with the Taliban.
Granted I can see how you feel about it. It promotes an unrealistic body image. Can't say I like that the only way the media would portray anyone who looks like me is as a pathetic loser wimp, but that's how it goes. Life isn't the movies... and if movies accurately portrayed life, they'd be rather dull.
Its just so incredibly sickening how distorted and misrepresented the female and female body is and it just makes me want to puke over and over.
The media could represent much more normal looking women while still achieving the goal of appealing to men, certainly. But at some point you have to draw a line or you're either outlawing all sexuality like the taliban or trying to portray an obese middle aged woman who hardly anyone wants to see naked as the ideal of attractiveness.
There are lots of guys very much in love with obese middle aged women, so non-physical factors can obviously overwhelm physical factors, but it'd be silly to pretend something is the common ideal when it isn't. Nobody needs to pretend that most women don't prefer strong guys over weak guys either.
they are exploiting themselves.
They're making good money, I bet. A woman getting to make way more money than she would otherwise just because guys enjoy looking at her body seems a bit unfair to all the men (and women) who can't get the easy money, doesn't it? But life isn't fair, so I say let the attractive people rake in cash from the unattractive who want to look at them.
RiiyaRox_ said:
And men don't get to enjoy romance novels the way women do. Ban 'em.
sleepysparrow
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Hoth said:
Really bad comparison